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that SB run was a result of tony dungys work not chuckies
No, Dungy simply couldn't get the Bucs over the hump even with a load of talent in it's prime. His canning was a work of brilliance by an owner that could understand Dungy's limitations as a coach. Peyton Manning wasn't going to fall into Tampa's lap, so they sprung for a coach who could make Rich Gannon into a league MVP, win a SB with Brad Johnson and so on. Dungy would never have gotten it done in Tampa. They were over the hill when Gruden took over and he proved his worth by getting them to do all the things Dungy could not, specifically winning on the road and playing good offensive football.
Dungy did a good job getting Tampa off the mat, but he's never been a finisher and his teams routinely disappointed in the playoffs. People forget, they damn near blew that one AFC Championship they did win against a flu stricken Pats team. Their subsequent SB win was an uninspiring effort against a very inferior NFC opponent. Dungy is decent, but very overrated. Gruden has had some down seasons in Tampa, but the guy squeezed a lot of wins out of a roster that rarely impressed anyone. He is a great coach. Wherever he goes, the QB position will be a strength and that's half the battle.
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With the Cardinals a sneeze away from the Superbowl, I wonder where all the stories are about how Bill Bidwell is responsible for the Cardinals woes.
In truth, Michael Bidwell, Bill's son has done everything right. The old man still has to say yes and he's still cheap but they got it done.
Michael signed big names (coaches and players), got rid of jerk off players. And he got the stadium done when the polls showed 2 to 1 against it.
I went to almost every Cardinal game between 1995 to 2004 and it was the QB, not the owner.
They've had one home playoff game in 61 years. They never even had a home playoff game the entire time they were in St. Louis. Their incompetence has been astounding. What's next? Calling out Donald Sterling's detractors?
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Backward.
RB's = Dime a Dozen
Using two #1 picks in 4 years on McGahee and Lynch are two reasons why Wilson, Jauron and their apologists can call the waahmbulance about not having enough talent elsewhere. Instead of spending THOSE millions on lineman and dimes on RB's, they did the opposite. Bravo!
And yeah, I know a number of successful teams have used #1 picks on RB's in recent years, but they had coaches who didn't need a waahmbulance to save their jobs.
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How do you explain the Bills having a better record (despite very poor coaching) and better defensive rankings in most every defensive category, if the FO decimated this team, from where they took it over?
Regarding those DB's, they've regressed in pass defense since ranking 7th in 2006. If you're arguing based on defensive rankings this is the end of the argument. Finito.
You see, the team that Levy inherited wasn't as bad as many of you make it out to be. They were certainly NOT 4 years away from being a winning team. The reason why their roster is still short is because the FO chose to rebuild things that weren't broken in a failed attempt to create a situation where team success would exceed the level of talent. Synergy!
Releasing Milloy and then using a #1 pick to replace him. Using another #1 pick on a RB the following year. Letting Fletcher walk and using two first day picks to draft Poz who is not as good a fit in cover 2 as Fletcher, who is still playing good football. Letting Clements walk and having to use their NEXT #1 on McKelvin. Sheesh.
THEY HAVEN'T ADDRESSED A SINGLE POSITION WITH THEIR FIRST PICK, IN THREE FULL YEARS, THAT WAS A WEAKNESS WHEN LEVY TOOK OVER.
That's why THEY have a shortage of personnel. They have been treading water.
The problem I have with Jauron is that the reason these vets were let leave was to presumably create some kind of addition by subtraction. Which never frickin' happened, which means they F'd the hell up! And now they can use their own failures to greatly improve the roster as a defense to save their jobs.
It's a crazy clusterf*ck of bad decisions that beget more bad decisions. And the sad thing is, it really wouldn't be that hard to right this thing because they may now very well have a capable NFL QB by virtue of hitting on a late 3rd round pick. A great coach and just one offseason worth of personnel improvement and this team could be a serious contender for a number of years.
But to me, the worst part of it all is that if the Bills somehow manage to go 8-8 or 9-7 next year it would be near impossible to justify firing Jauron yet AGAIN after investing 4 seasons in his system. It made no sense to want continuity when there was no reason to EXPECT that it would yield results. He's a loser 7 times out of 8. An overeducated slow blinker who makes too many bad decisions to win big playing conservative football and not sharp enough to win AT ALL playing any other way. All giving him more talent will do is give him a chance to do less with more.
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Have you seen Mack play?
Absolutely. The question is, have you seen the Bills? How does he not fit in their style? The Bills have a large, zone blocking line and he is a large, powerful blocker who is well suited to match up against guys like Vince Wilfork and Kris Jenkins. He would also fit in a scheme that relies more on movement and even a cut blocking attack like Denver or Houston. He's a rare player that should work well regardless of the scheme his team runs. By the same token, Caldwell is more of a "move" center who is not well suited to having a 350 lb. nose tackle right over him and Unger is a lesser athlete who doesn't have the power or balance of Mack.
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I think Mack, Caldwell and Unger can step in right away and be pretty solid. This year's crop of centers are unusual. I just don't like Mack for our style.
Mack fits all styles of OL play. He's big and stout, but also light on his feet and an excellent cut blocker. He's also among the smarter athletes in all of NCAA football. Contrast that with the unathletic, soft and painfully stupid Duke Preston.
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Center is nowhere NEAR our biggest problem.
You so crazy!
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TE is an "F". Schouman or Fine may develop, but so might Chris Ellis or James Hardy or whoever. Right now, the TE's plain suck and there is no reason to truly expect better. The Bills have long been the last one's in the NFL to get the memo that you beat cover 2 by attacking the middle of the field with a seam stretching TE. Edwards badly needs big targets to help him shake his fear of throwing the ball intermediate and deep. Johnson and Hardy may help, but a gamebreaking TE would be huge.
DE is not as bad as you list IF Schobel comes back near top form, and he should. They need some athletes for this position if they intend to keep playing this style of defense, but as bad as it is watching the opposing QB calmly stand tall in the pocket against us, the key for this team is doing whatever it can to make their own QB position most effective.
The Bills do not have SB talent, but the talent thing is a cop out on the Bills part. Good coaching gets the Bills to the playoffs this past season considering how weak the schedule was. It's going to take absolutely SUPERIOR talent to transform Jauron from a loser to a consistent winner, and the truth is, it's easier and cheaper to be well coached than to outmaneuver 31 other personnel departments.
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Yeah, you're right about "glove wearing" QB's. Warner wears gloves on both hands when playing in a dome and he sucks big time, right?
Don't worry, after Trent wins his second NFL MVP award and a Super Bowl, like Warner has, people will forget all about his perceived softness.
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1. Why the "gloved one" reference? It seems to me that TE will never get a fair shake in this town
Fair shake? Every time Edwards gets ANY kind of shake he ends up on the injury report. I like Edwards talent, but you can't put all your eggs in the basket of a guy who has missed so many games, to so many injuries in so many seasons dating back 6 years now. It's troublesome and naturally the perception is that he is fragile, therefore soft, therefore needs to wear gloves in the cold, etc..
Some teams need a good backup in case their QB misses a game or two, the Bills really need a guy who can start 4-6 games.....which essentially calls for a true starting quality backup. Jeff Garcia?
What's more, I think people need to wise up to the changing NFL. Four years ago, the Bills traded Travis Henry for a pick they later threw in the garbage because they were working under the archaic notion that you can't have two top backs splitting carries. Now the league is owned by teams who share carries. I think that nowadays, if your QB is too fragile mentally to handle competition for his job, then he's not cut out for the job. Keep that QB position stocked as well as possible.
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If we are going to throw a curveball, I'd rather it be a QB. If Stafford doesn't go in the top 3 picks, there's a chance he could fall to us.
Your opinion may not be that well received here, but if you don't have a QB in this league you can't have sustained success. For a team like Buffalo that doesn't otherwise do a very good job of drafting, utilizing or keeping key personnel, having top notch QB play is ESSENTIAL and can cover up a lot of weaknesses elsewhere. Even if they don't draft a QB early, they should draft one later to develop behind the durably suspect Edwards.
Stafford is a great prospect, he has a cannon for an arm, accuracy, touch...for fans of the passing game he is a treat to watch throw the ball...the only question is does he have that special ability to make good, quick decisions at the NFL level.
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Give me a break. This board is full of posers who believe that their season tickets or Sunday Ticket subscriptions entitle them to throw out all reason and common sense, rattle their swords by threatening to cancel everything, and heap disrespect on fans who dare to speak in support of this team.
Yeah, those aristocratic season ticket holders and sunday ticket subscribers with their HUNDREDS of dollars of disposable income! Who do they think they are threatening to withhold payment to Ralph Wilson? You are laughably pathetic. You do realize that those embarrassingly rich fans are the people who make it possible for you to watch the Buffalo Bills for free in your comfy chair, don't you? We get enough of curmudgeonese from Ralph, save it for your fellow broken souls.
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It is just a game . people need to chill . I heard an add on the raido today for people to work in the sports industry , perhaps the people that are so pissed off should get into the sport so they have a say .
I am not happy that we keep dick , but as I have said I would rather keep him than get some other cheep coach and start all over one more time . In this time of economic problems you can not afford to go to the game or get season tickets that is one thing , but to say you are done with the Bills because you are not happy the way the team is going , is sh-- .
I am a fan of the Buffalo Bills and I will still fallow them even if they went 16 and 0 .for 5 seasons .
You can all say what you want about the team I have no problem with that . Just don't come back hear next year and tell us how you have been such a big fan when they make the playoffs next year .
Seems like some of you may be the same people that never left the Huston game .
Do you have season tickets?
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Honestly, it seemed as in a few games this year, DJ was coaching "to lose". I'm not suggesting that was his goal, but the actions make it seem like, if it was a plan, the plan was "to lose".
In both NE games he coached to minimize the magnitude of the defeat. As bad as 13-0 and shutout at home for the first time in forever is.....it was much less shocking than giving up TD's on the first 8 posessions like last years NE game in Buffalo!
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Does anyone actually think that the deep slant that was called in the Cowboys/49ers NFC Championship game was a good call? Sure, it worked, but I think giving the ball to Emmitt Smith would have been a higher percentage play- the thing is, Jimmy Johnson had the players to bail him out on that one.....
Good coaches prepare their team- great ones are the ones with the great players
Adam, you're welcome to join us in the 21st century. We are well aware that there was a time when there were great talent imbalances in the NFL, but that was long ago. Now, the talent is fairly well distributed and coaching is A LOT more important. You want an OPTIMISTIC glimpse into the future of this organization? Try the 2008 San Diego Chargers. 8-8 despite having the top rated QB in the AFC and one of the top rosters in the NFL. Dick Jauron would be hard pressed to win in any era, but nowadays he flat out sucks.
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Well, I'll watch dispassionately (as much as possible) next year to see if anything positive happens. BTW Belicheck went from worst coach in the world to genius when he got to NE.
For the last time, Belichick was a genius coordinator with 2 Super Bowl rings, including devising the gameplan that stunned the Bills in SB XXV, prior to getting the Browns job. Free agency was new in the NFL, so turning teams around was still much harder than it is today.
Jauron was at best an average assistant coach, has now had 7 losing seasons in 8+ attempts and has had the benefit of 3 crops of free agents. The comparisons need to end, the guy would lose a coin flip to Belichick 9 out of 10 times.
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o.k.- lets make April the head coach and fire the rest of them. go bills.
If they want to change coordinators, they might as well get rid of the head coach too. No self respecting prospect or proven coordinator would take a job with a lame duck head coach. I know people fear cleaning house on the staff, but it's past the point of tinkering for Jauron at this point.
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Well, I would argue (for argument's sake) that unless your seats are high up, you probably don't have that great of a view of the field!
But since you obvioulsy attend more games than me, and I made a big deal after attending the SF game about how much more you can observe (or choose to observe) by being there, then I'll trust you've formulated YOUR opinion for the sake of knowledge, and not for argument.
I don't know if it makes sense re-hashing the 2006 draft. I do know that a safety, unlike a DT like Ngata is - at the very least - more of a long term investment (smaller, less involved players tend to have longer careers). So to take a guy that DOES produce well enough on the field that his unrelenting commitments OFF the field make him an extremely valuable player for years to come, with the first pick of a new regime, sort of makes sense, I guess. In terms of value to the scheme, I think I would have rather had Ngata. But, as McCargo has proven, DLineman are generally hit or miss. Remember how great THIS GUY was supposed to be?
You can always play the 'looking back at the draft and who came later we should have picked...' game, so there's no sense in arguing now, almost 2009 what we should have done in 2006. Safety was one of the highest positions of need, and they got themselves a leader. I honestly don't think that the front end pass rush of the other teams mentioned have been anywhere as remotely bad as ours has been, over THE LAST THREE YEARS. So, I'm really adamant about reserving judgment about ANY of our DB's until we can finally get a strong interior AND exterior of our DLine.
Like it or not, the scheme CANNOT function without a dominating DLine, and the fact that the defense HASN'T been a problem last year or this year in spite of injuries everywhere BUT the DLine (Schobel excluded) means the DB's deserve at least some credit. Would you agree?
You're right, I do see a lot from my seats you don't from your chair.
And you contradict yourself by trying to justify the selection of a SS over a DT, then emphatically stating the scheme cannot function without a dominating DLine. Was that not to be expected? Like I said, it was a bad pick on multiple levels. The position, the particular player, the needs of the organization....
BTW, I don't buy that stuff about safeties being more long term investments than DT's. Yeah, some safeties hang around for a long time, but so do a lot of big DT's. In general, lineman may be more involved, but hardly any of them absorb the kind of hits the small players do.
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let's use all of our Free Agent money for a CB who is a bit above average....dumb....Pay what you need to HAYNESWORTH..end of story..
I don't particularly care for the "never gonna' happen" posts every time someone suggests the Bills make a bold move.........but the chances of getting Haynesworth are less than miniscule. Keep in mind, the offseason after this one will be an uncapped year, so don't be shocked if some teams plan around that and LITERALLY price the Bills out for any top free agent by structuring contracts to put unreal dollars into the uncapped year.
That in mind, Greer represents a bird in the hand from now until free agency opens and if CB was a big enough concern to use a #1 pick on last offseason, then not letting one of your best go in free agency should be a priority to prevent the re-opening of that wound.
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I don't know what qualifies you to speak to Whitner's intangibles, but I do know this: He does, in fact, lack the statistics which indicate a "great" play. However, he plays in a defensive scheme which relies on quick, aggressive pressure at the snap of the ball, but seems to break down the longer a quarterback has to let the play develop. To be critical of ANY of our DB's is somewhat laughable considering how long they're expected to cover, given the complete lack of pass rush upfront.
Furthermore, if you ARE going to speak to a players' intangibles, KNOWING that Whitner is normally the one making the pre-snap reads/calls, one has to believe that in fact his intangibles ARE strong, since the defense has hardly lost us any games since he's been back there, despite the utter dysfunction of the DLine, the unit which is SUPPOSED to be the driving force of a Tampa-2 scheme.
In this instance, the intangibles I'm talking about are instincts and ball skills. I actually believe that those show up in stats, but that's a concession to those, like yourself, who believe they don't. I base that opinion off of a player I see from my seat at the 50 yard line routinely beaten because he's out of position. However, if you'd like, feel free to reference the list of low pedigree strong safeties referenced in the comparison. Those guys aren't playing behind great front 7's either.
Measurables are a given. He's small for a strong safety and it shows up routinely in being too small to handle big TE's. Picking him #8 overall was a mistake on multiple levels. Do you believe otherwise? Or are you just arguing for arguments' sake?
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Good point, but I think they should re-sign Greer long term. They have a ton of cap room, and there won't be much to spend it on in free agency. It's a safe bet that Greer will be a better find for some other team than ANYBODY John Guy can guide to Buffalo.
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I've said all along I'm all for bringing in Bill Cowher or someone of his caliber, but do you honestly think thats going to happen? Who and where is this mystery man you want to hire? Want someone new and unproven or someone experienced and proven average? We don't have allot to choose from and playing musical chairs with our HC has gotten us nowhere.
Not a lot to choose from? Compared to last year, when all fans just KNEW that John Harbaugh, Mike Smith and Tony Sparano were can't miss head coaches in waiting? This year is no different than any other. If other teams can find good coaches, than why can't the Bills? And if they can't, then why worry about keeping the LOSER they have? Anybody can lose.
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Nduke in Cincinnati has 5 sacks, 4 picks, a forced fumble, and 10 passes defensed in 2 seasons.
Jones in Cleveland has 1 sack, 13 picks, 2 forced fumbles, and 29 passes defensed in 3 seasons.
Page in Kansas City has 1 sack, 10 INTs, 3 forced fumbles, and 25 passes defensed in 3 seasons.
Pollard in Kansas City has 1 sack, 3 INTs, 3 forced fumbles, 8 passes defensed and a safety in 2 seasons starting.
Whitner? In 3 seasons...1 sack, 2 picks, 2 forced fumbles, 7 PDs. The above players always have lousy pass rushes too.
Ouch. That frickin' hurts. His selection was an obvious disappointment waiting to happen, he doesn't have the combination of measurables and intangibles to merit such an early selection and huge contract. But I really thought he was going to have a breakout season in 2008. It hasn't happened. Injuries aren't an excuse, they are a knock against him and rightfully so. The Bob Sanders and Troy Polomalu comparisons are way out the window. He is good, but just not a special player and he plays a position that is so easy to fill. 3 years in, he's still gettting outplayed by Lawyer Milloy.
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Sorry but that has to be one of the most uninformed lines I've ever read on TSW...And I've read a hell of a lot here over the Years...One winning Season in eight as a Head Coach and You think it's near impossible to do better??? Are you freaking kidding Me?
Have You been so dumbed down by losing Season after losing Season that your gauge is that far off? If so that's sad...Seems like with some Bills Fans the mediocrity has seeped into their brains permenently...Know this...The Bills can do MUCH better than Dead Dick Jauron who rutinely gets out-coached by average Head Coaches...Lets not even talk about the Belichicks of the NFL who make him look foolish...Something better is out there...The Bills just have to find the guy...But it wont be hard to top Jauron...Unless you think a 57-75 Record as a HC is impressive...
He has battered fan syndrome.
Mike Francesa on WFAN says Kelly does not...
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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If Kelly were in the NFL now and lost 4 straight SB's, I'd agree with Francesa. But the NFL prior to free agency was very top heavy with DOMINANT teams that would toy with the flawed champions of more recent past. As a result, QB's were less able to take over games than they are today. Especially in a Super Bowl, where there was virtually no room for error. It's much easier nowadays for great players to get to and win a Super Bowl and subsequently get their due. In today's game, Kelly would have been somewhere between Roethlisberger and Manning in terms of QB performance, and like them, he'd very likely have a ring even though he didn't play as well as usual in his SB appearances.
As for Simms, I think he has rightfully not been inducted. I always felt he was a game managing, system QB and truth be told, it is forgotten that aside from their first SB season, they underachieved quite a bit in the 1980's and Simms play was a good deal to do with that. The 1990 season was vindication of sorts for Simms, but still, he didn't finish it. Had he finished it and the Giants lost to the Bills in the SB(as they had in the Meadowlands earlier in the season with Simms at the helm) then I don't think there would be much argument for him as a HOF QB. I think he gets credit for that win, which he does not deserve.