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NE - 370 yards
Buffalo - 168 yards
It's sad that the Bills dominated the Pats so completely on special teams - it was embarassing for the Pats, actually - yet the Bills never really seemed in it.
The Bills weren't in it because you knew they couldn't score, but the bend but don't break defense pretty much worked like it was drawn up despite the yardage.
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Badol, getting back to basics is exactly what's needed. But we both know that sometimes players need to have a fire lit under them and it's clearly not happening. Certain players need more motivation than others, and I'm looking at an entire OL which plays with little, if any heart. When they look to their HC (especially the younger ones) I can't believe that fires them up.
If I'm a guy like Marshawn, and we're throwing the ball on 3rd and 1, I'm going to think the coach has no confidence in me or the OL. Same goes for the DB's when the defensive coaches have them playing off the WR in order to keep things in front of them.
Basics are important, but I'm watching gameplans which are helter-skelter. Run three times, pass three times, blitz every down, then don't blitz at all. Being less predictable might help with getting better at the basics.
Yeah, it's helter-skelter. Chaos. It's become the Mike Mularkey offense. That's the exact feeling I got sitting in the stands versus the Jets. They needed to hit the brakes on that sh*t PRIOR to this game in NE, but they did not. It's like they are coming in with no gameplan and just calling plays. When Jauron came in with Fairchild in 2006, they changed that offense. They developed an identity as a team that would just keep running it even if it wasn't that great, and then when you least expect it hit an open receiver for a big play or make you beat yourself with a turnover. It's not going to win you a Super Bowl, but if you can't beat a defense with a multiple attack, it's a good option.
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I don't know how much more basic we can get. We play a virtual prevent defense all game long with no semblance of a pass rush and DB's playing 20 yards off receivers who are so wide open the Bills players aren't even in the picture when they catch the ball. On offense we throw 5 yard passes all game and don't even try and get Evans deep. At least TRY to loosen up the coverage. We run into 8 man fronts, and we throw when they have 3 man fronts and 8 guys in coverage underneath, which are both basically asking for failure. Noone respects our run game or our deep passing game because in the case of the run game, we abandon it before it can even have a chance of getting going, and the deep passing game because we never try a pass more than 10 yards all game. Then we wonder why teams are sitting there with 8 guys underneath flooding the zones with defenders and why noone is open.
What makes it even worse is that Fewell has watched 4 out of the last 5 teams prevent us from doing anything offensively by taking away the short passes, but yet he refuses or is incapable of coming up with the same game plan that teams are using against our offense. What makes it worse is that for the most part we are pretty good at stopping the run this year---teams are not really gashing us very often. Somehow when Fewell sees team after team with lesser DB talent than we have press our receivers and play tight coverage daring us to go deep and preventing our short passing game from getting going, the light never comes on that perhaps he should try the same thing. He just lets the DBs keep playing 20 yards off the ball and allowing opposing WRs to catch the ball with noone around and easily get first downs. I mean after 4 games of watching this not work, I would think it should be pretty clear this is not too effective and he should try something else....
You are dead wrong about the defensive personnel. They have no pass rushers. None. You can list all the players you think are great on that defense, but for all the vets they have, who among them has ever gotten to the QB regularly? Kelsey/Denney/Stroud/Williams...they haven't sniffed a 10 sack season in their CAREERS. Every time the Bills blitz or stunt it gets picked up because they don't have players suitable for an attacking scheme and they can't afford to give up the big play because the offense is in the sh*tter big time and turning the ball over in Bills territory or for points. And this just in, teams are kind of "on" to the Mitchell blitz up the middle. The Pats stoned it twice today. I'm not happy about it, but if you can't get to the other teams QB you can't press their receivers like we want to see. The object of defense is still to keep points off the board and that hasn't really been the issue the past couple weeks. I don't like watching them get picked apart and give up third down conversions, but get used to it until they upgrade the pass rush.
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Yeah OK---we could have all-pros all over the field on this team and they would still lose with this pathetic coaching staff playing chicken-sh*t ball, but everyone would still say "we have no talent". Sure we don't. We have an all-pro LT in Peters, we have one of the best, if not THE best deep threats in the NFL in Evans. We have a young QB who is going backwards because all he is allowed to do is throw 5 yard passes into 8 men in coverage underneath because we don't even TRY to get someone deep. We have a LG in Dockery that was considered one of the best run blockers in the NFL when we signed him. We have Whitner, who was being talked about as a consensus all-pro at the halfway point this year. We have Poz who is a beast. Mitchell and Stroud. McGee and Greer are pretty solid. Lindell and Moorman are the best combination of special team kickers in the NFL. Parrish is the best PR in the NFL when he doesn't fair catch every kick to him. Lynch and Jackson are pretty good players....
Compare this to teams like Kansas City, Miami, Oakland, St. Louis, Detroit. THOSE are teams with no talent. Yes, I said Miami has very little talent. They still win in spite of it, not because of it thanks to their coaching.
Every year we get more and more good players, but yet every year when we lose its because "we have no talent". Give me a freaking break. We have as much talent as any team in the AFC. We were being talked about as the most balanced team in the NFL when we were 5-1 by the national media. I am pretty sure the answer isn't all of a sudden "We have no talent".
The answer lies with looking at the message the coaching staff is sending to the players, and that message is "We are scared because we have injuries, so we are going to do nothing to win the game, and everything to try and not lose it." And, IMO, you don't win very many games with that type of attitude...
You can't say the team is playing scared when they are throwing the ball all over the field and turning it over. They aren't throwing the ball deep because they aren't getting pass blocking and because the defense is playing a lot of two deep. Teams are doing to the Bills just what the Bills did to other teams the past couple seasons. Making Edwards execute long drives down the field and rolling coverage so that the most open man is often a scrub like Robert Royal.....whom they don't fear. I mean teams aren't respecting the run because they know the Bills aren't committed to it and instead are playing games in coverage and getting Edwards to throw into disguised coverages.....it's chaos and it's got to stop if they want to get out of this losing streak.
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Sure....the talent isn't there, but it is with Miami?? With the Jets starting a 40 year old has been?? With the Pats playing with a backup QB who hasn't started a game since high school before his year and a 5th string RB? Lets stop saying we don't have the talent. Last year, we clearly didn't. This year, we clearly do, and it is being mismanaged perhaps worse than any other team in the NFL.
I mean are we actually going to sit here and say that Miami has a great team?? They have maybe 2 or 3 players on that entire team. But they win because they aren't afraid to lose and their coaches don't put their players in no-win situations, and get the most out of them. The same way we won last year....maybe the coaches should realize that having faith in your players does a lot for your team....
I do think that Miami and the Jets have better lines than Buffalo. No question really. But I do agree with you in the regard that their coaches are making better use of their personnel. Last year, the Bills made better use of their personnel by reigning them in, this year the Fish and Jets are outcoaching the Bills coaches and they have better QB play than they've had last year. Heck, Miami is winning almost exclusively because they don't turn the ball over. The Bills need to get back to basics which would in turn make better use of their personnel.
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Yup. The ol' Jaurontastic commitment to the punt. Fairchild wasn't spooked by 95 yards on 38 carries, Schonert shouldn't be either.
I blame Jauron to great extent for the lack of talent on the roster because I think the FO let some productive players go just to prevent having a lockerroom that had people in it that might question the credentials and leadership of Jauron. I mean if Joey Porter and Ricky Williams were here when Jauron arrived, they'd have been let go immediately. It's hard to build a roster of mama's boys and yes men and Bills fans are seeing that first hand.
However, Jauron does have the patience to put a competitive team on the field with a roster of very little talent. That's what they have, it's time they play to their strength.
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Quality post, Badol. I will add, though, that it's not inconceivable for them to win 10 games still and sneak in. Am I expecting it? No, but four of the teams they're playing - Miami, Cleveland, SF, and KC - are no better than the Bills, and if they go 1-3 against NE/Denver/NY, they've got a good shot.
Not only can they, they should be right there at the end. 5-2 is doable if they don't give away games like they did in Miami and against the Jets. They were spotted 4 wins before the schedule picked up and teams caught on and playing not to lose has proven effective in November the past couple seasons, escpecially against teams that are playing out the string like Cleveland, SF and KC. I think they could still win 10. I'm definitely not saying turtle up, but the team is not scoring and the turnovers are KILLING them. When they played Jauron ball the past two seasons they didn't turn the ball over.
And let's face it, in the competitive portion of the game today, they scored 3 points in 58 minutes and they had the ball for almost a full quarter straight last week and came out of that -7 on the scoreboard because of an ill adivised pic 6. Run it, throw it and throw it is not working and it can't get much worse than the production they've had in the past 10 quarters of offensive football which resulted in 3 straight losses.
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Was it ever known if Dick threw the challenge flag on the play that was caught out of bounds by Welker I believe? I think the announcers said he threw the flag but the cameras never actually went to a red flag on the field.
What actually happened?
Speaking of Jauron, can someone explain to me why the Bills took a timeout before their punt with a minute and a half left in the first half? They called timeout with 1 second left on the play clock to save 5 yards when they were punting from the Patriots side of the field already! I understand that there was no guarantee that they would pin the Pats or that the Pats would go 3 and out, both of which happened, but that's just basic football strategy. I just don't get how a man with a Yale degree and 40 years in the NFL can make mistakes like that, but he continues to perplex with his sideline inefficiency.
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With each week it becomes more obvious that the talent is not there to go toe-to-toe with most NFL teams. As I've said many times, since the departure of Donahoe the Bills have spent far too many of their personnel chips(draft picks and free agent dollars) REPLACING talented players while most teams guard what they have and try to hoard more. Case in point, in two offseasons a talent starved Bills team gave up London Fletcher, Nate Clements and Willis McGahee and then used two #1 picks and a #2 to replace them. The net result is that they are STILL woefully short on the game changing big men that you need at the LOS(pass rushers, blockers, TE).
IMO to prevent a disasterous finish, the team needs to go back to the style that kept them in many games the past two years. Run it, run it, run it and punt it. Then on defense, just keep the ball in front of you and hope for a mistake by the offense. That is what their personnel dictates they do. I thought the Bills played that way defensively today, but offensively they still tried to throw far too much considering the opponent and the result was turnovers and another week without progress in the running game.
It's reached the point where Edwards is not getting better throwing the ball more. I know people hated Fairchild, but I think you all should be able to see now that the guy did not have the personnel to do much more. This offensive line does not have the potential to be a dominant run blocking unit, they are soft and unathletic, but by sheer mass they can be adequate and effective if given the madate to put their heads down and run block 40 times per game against opponents they outweigh by 50-80 pounds respectively.
Forcing teams to defend the run opens up receivers downfield for big plays, which is what this team does right. With dimwits like Robert Royal and Roscoe Parrish on the field regularly, you can't conistently execute long drives(I believe the Bills are the worst team in the NFL at executing long drives), so the objective should be to move the ball with the run and use the passing game to strike big. Remember chunk plays? The Bills haven't gotten the ball deep to Evans in a month.
In the offseason, the orgainzation needs to be aggressive. When a veteran like Jevon Kearse gets cut loose, don't be afraid to take a look and a flyer on a guy like that. Draft and sign prospective core players who have good health histories. Stack the roster and make it work. They've got to find a way to close the gap on teams with better personnel so that they can play to win, even when teams know the tendencies of your coaches and the weaknesses of your QB(which opponents are now on to with Schonert and Edwards).
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i know politics is a sensitive subject on this board but has anyone seen the size of VP elect Joe Bidens' forehead??? He doesnt have dreams...he has movies...
Eighthead>forehead
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The Bills are a professional team. The kind of fandom you want to see is the unconditional love and support given to schools or amateur local teams.
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While I didn't agree with the call it didn't end up costing them the game. I think it's more like a symptom of that "safe" thinking that I think holds back the Bills from reaching their true potential. We haven't seen much of that safe thinking this year and the team just seemed to play looser and take more chances out there. What happened to the balls on special team after the Seattle game? Following that game teams would have thought they'd have to be prepared for ANYTHING. Lately not so much.
I agree, it was kind of a nutless decision but it didn't cost them the game. Your on the road, down 7 and trying to answer a scoring drive against a team who you should be seeking to dispatch early. Go for it and play defense if you don't get in the endzone. Perhaps Jauron thought back to the game in NE early in the 2006 season where they went for it and McGahee got stuffed and they ended up losing. That was a good call at the time and the rewards of aggressive situational football outweigh the risks.
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According to Jason Peters:
http://www.buffalobills.com/news/article-1...7c-7dbaba7505dd
So, is Eugene Parker orchestrating this too?
Peters is simultaneously finding out what happens when you are a marked man and unprepared at the same time.
When he got that Pro Bowl nod the bar was raised for pass rushers and they are bringing their "A" game and whipping his asss and making note so they can take it to their own contract negotiations. Note to Jason, it's easier to get there than to stay there. The LEAST you have to do is keep training, which he obviously did not do for ohhhh.....about 8 months I would say. Right now, he's not even adequate, let alone All Pro.
I believe he is maybe the most talented OL in the league, but barring a miraculous turnaround he doesn't warrant a new contract and the Bills would be damn foolish to give him one now, being aware of his Mike Williams-like lack of committment and tragic lack of judgement.
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And this is coming from a guy (me) who supported him for a very long time. Cut him.........
I know Royal has supporters for his adequate blocking, but I can't stand the guy. He is an accident waiting to happen, and he usually does in key situations. And it is worth note that he GETS the opportunities to make these mistakes because teams don't respect him in the passing game and he ends up as the open man. What's maddening is his ability to find the focus to have a big game against SD in response to the Tony G talk, but then losing it yet again. The guy just doesn't have the mental capacity to play the game at a high level week in and week out and is the true definition of a "bonehead" player.
But don't feel bad Bills fans, he did the same stuff in Washington. I've never before or after heard a teams play-by-play guys call for the head of one of their teams players during a game except for during a Washington/SD game that Royal single handedly blew by killing 3 drives with 3rd down drops. That offseason the Bills signed him and I've been all over his sh*tty play since and heard all the excuses from his apologists. Bottom line is that the guy is only useful for a few plays per game and anything more you are setting your team up to be let down by one guy who can't get his head on straight.
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If I was Winslow , I would have spoke out the same way he did. The rumor I heard over an erie radio station was that he had a horrible case of GHONORHEA, thus making his testes swell up to the size of large cocunts. However a Staph infection is obtained by being in an uncleanly, unsanitary eviornment such as the Browns have provided for their players. Staph infections are often aquired in Hospitals where a saff member practices unsterile tecqniques , one most common one is not washing hands between patient contact.
If this Rumor was going on, simply because the Browns facility was being hush hush about the truth(as to not tarnish their Reputation) Why the heck should Winslow take the heat for the Browns F up. I cant blame him one bit for speaking out, nor can I balme him one bit for wanting out of Cleveland after they suspend him for trying to clear himself of an unjust Rumor.
He is a great TE and if the other things he has supposedly done are anything like this garbage, I got no problem bringing him to Buffalo, sounds like hes one of those who could use a change of scenery and a new start. Huge pickup for us.
This strain of staph is extremely serious and pretty new and the medical community doesn't really have an answer for it, hence the surgeries to clean out infections. If I were a player, as little as they know about controlling this, I wouldn't want to play against a team that has mutliple players coming down with it for fear of contracting the disease from those guys. That's why they wanted him to keep his mouth shut. That said, it's his decision and he's not wrong for saying something.
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The linebackers have also made a lot of plays which if they had missed, would have been big gains. Also the DLs. That's the nature of this fill the gaps style D. Are you really saying that making the tackles that a guy playing that position is expected to make qualifies a guy as a #8 draft pick, because I just don't think too many people are going to agree with you there.
Also, Whitner's versatility is great, but not that far out of the ordinary. Remember Troy Vincent? Should we have valued him as a #8 pick value when he played with us? He went from CB to safety. Versatility. The fact is that certain positions, particularly secondary, OL and LB are often able to switch roles within that group of positions. Do we say, hey, our RT can also play RG and C in an emergency. He must have been worth a #8. And our MLB could play on each side in a pinch. Secondary is the same way. Lots of DBs play various positions in an emergency. It's great. But doesn't move their value up to #8.
Yeah, I don't buy the versatility angle either. But as far as what Whitner is doing this year, I'm not talking about filling gaps and making routine tackles. He's made a number of plays that would have been out of the grasp of pretty much any safety the Bills have had in quite a while. Plays you are used to seeing by the likes of Sanders or Polomalu. But at this point, certainly not nearly as many. He's probably not going to be the NFL's defensive MVP anytime soon, but he's real good.
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Traditionally is the key word here. Many fans have not caught up with the concept that Safety has become a very important and sought after position......therefore they are being drafted higher than they used to be......and are often drafted inside the top 10.
Over the last 7 drafts, the top 10 picks breaks down like this.....
QB 11
WR 10
OT 9
DE 9
DT 7
S 6
RB 6
CB 6
LB 4
TE 2
It is definitely trendy to pick a safety that high, but the results of those picks haven't really proven it to be a way to maximize value of that pick to your team. The intent is to find the next Bob Sanders or Ed Reed, but those guys weren't chosen in that top half of round 1. Bypassing a good lineman that is sorely needed in favor of a good safety is pretty questionable.
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I'm going to be in Florida this weekend so I'm going to go to the game, where do you tailgate? I don't have a ticket yet, if someone has one for sale near some Bills fans I'd be interested, otherwise I'm going to get a scalped ticket. I'm assuming there are usually decent seats available since they don't always sell out, is that the case?
Will be sitting in section 101 row 6!, anyone else near me, if not close?! I will be tailgating with a bunch of of my friends, if you buffalo area fans are coming down your are more welcome to join, here is a taste from last year or the year before!
And you will notice, from my group of friends im the only miami bills fan!, i need some support! =)
Will be getting there around 9am!!!! GOOO BILLLS!
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Whitner made quite a few open-field tackles, which if he missed... would have been big gains. He had one of these great plays on sunday.
Yeah, he's been doing that all season. He hasn't caused turnovers so it can be easy to overlook, but he's prevented a number of big plays and killed many drives that might have changed the outcome of some close games. He's having a really good season, I hope he gets his hands on the football a little more so he doesn't get overlooked for Pro Bowl consideration.
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Whitner is rounding into the player he is expected to be from that selection. With Bob Sanders injured he has a realistic chance to make his first Pro Bowl, IMO. That said, #8 overall is still very high to select a safety and safety is way down the list of positions of importance and traditionally a position teams find value at much later in the draft. The pick was rightfully questioned. Ngata seemed like the answer to the Bills leaky run defense and he's been very good while the Bills have been pretty much helpless against the run until trading for Stroud. As for Whitner being the 4th best player in the draft.......maybe eventually, but it will be a tall order in a draft featuring TANDEM picks like Ferguson and Mangold, Williams and DeMeco Ryans, Cutler and Brandon Marshall.......some really good players. In the end, did they reach for Whitner? Yeah, but he is turning out to be worth the risk.
You might as well be still arguing that The Surge didn't work.
It's time to deal with the reality that The Surge did work and drafting Donte Whitner at 8 in 2006 was not only not a reach, it's lining up to be a steal. Let's start with this right here. A "great" player makes those around him better. How about a player that can replace those around him due to matchup or injury and improve the play at that position? Strike one.
Let's look at who was drafted ahead of Whitner:
1 Houston Texans Mario Williams Defensive end
2 New Orleans Saints Reggie Bush Running back
3 Tennessee Titans Vince Young Quarterback
4 New York Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson Offensive tackle
5 Green Bay Packers A. J. Hawk Linebacker
6 San Francisco 49ers Vernon Davis Tight end
7 Oakland Raiders Michael Huff Safety
Who of the above is a better leader than Whitner? Who is, pound for pound, playing better at their position? Who is having a better effect on the players around them? Who can step in and play 3 other positions on the field? Strike two.
Hawk, Davis, and Huff? It's not even a debate. I can see Ferguson, maybe, but Whitner's intangibles and versatility means he wins. Young? Please. Reggie Bush is starting to look like a 3rd down scat back. Marshawn has the same # of TDs, and 100 more yards on the ground. Mario Williams I can see, but again, he loses in terms of the overall player.
Ferguson, Williams and even Bush are debatable, but even if you throw them in we still got the 4th best guy in the draft at the #8 slot, and that is a steal any way you cut it. 4 spots in the top ten = (to move from 8 to 4) costs you a #18 2nd round draft pick, or 2 #14 3rd round picks. Draft value chart here So, like I said, Whitner is an absolute steal.
Finally, the other players ahead of Whitner have all probably peaked. They are what they are and they are as good as they are going to get. They average safety doesn't really hit their stride until 5-6 years in the league, and that means Whitner is only going to get better. I'm sure Vince Young is going to make a big comeback...
Strike three. 3 strikes you're out. Here endeth the argument. Deal with it. And for those of you still trying to talk about Ferguson, please explain how the hell we were supposed to do a deal with a division rival over the guy they wanted.
It's over. Be happy we didn't listen to you, and be happy that Marv Levy was running this team.
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True McCargo was a bust but Witner, Yobouty, Simpson, Williams, Butler and Ellison were added to the roster - all but Yobouty are starters and he is close as the nickel. While it is hard to say what Buffalo would have done with the picks they gave up for McCargo (2nd round and ) the Bears selected Danieal Manning - Safety - hardly a solid pick - and Dusty Dvoracek Defensive end - like this guy is a perennial pro bowler. Buffalo took a gamble on McCargo but if you look at the draft as a whole Buffalo grades out very well.
The Bills had a productive draft, but the franchise shaping draft of 2006 was Jay Cutler, Tony Sheffler, Brandon Marshall and Elvis Dumervil to Denver. By all rights, that organization should be dead in the water with all the bad moves they've made, but that one draft single handedly has kept them from cycling out of contention.
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While I wouldn't give away the farm for him, a 3rd and a 6th (or even 5th) would be a no-brainer, IMO.
Gonz is clearly past his prime, but as most note, is a big step up from what the Bills currently have. More importantly, IMO, is that if the Bills acquire Gonzalez (I understand that isn't likely), they might actually start to use the tight end more in the offense. THAT would be the biggest improvement, IMO. I would settle for them using Royal more, if this doesn't happen.
The Bills haven't had a very good tight end since Metzelaars. The best was Riemersma, who was really no better than an average starter due to the dropsies and his creaky body. I'll make this prediction however, if the Bills acquire Gonzalez, they will find another very good one in the draft or free agency very soon as well. Beyond the fact that the pressure would be off of the personnel dept., the Bills are due to find their version of Dallas Clark. Get Gonzalez.
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I do not think the two hits are comparable. Connolly had no idea he was going to be hit and his face/forehead slammed square into some guy's shoulder. He had no chance to brace himself and the initial impact of the hit was absorbed directly by his head.
The initial impact of Wilson's tackle is absorbed by Trent's chest. I don't think it was until the back of Trent's head hits the ground that the concussion probably occurred. Trent knew the hit was coming so you could say he had a chance to brace himself. People on the board have said Trent was joking and talking after the game, which I doubt Connolly was capable after his blow to the head.
I've had my head slam head first into a shoulder before while playing hockey. You don't feel right for the rest of the day, you go home and puke and then the next day you feel fine. I am hoping this is the type of "concussion" that Trent suffered.
It's really hard to tell from what we saw. All I can offer is that I had a bad concussion once, I was out cold for about 15 minutes, woke up and felt refreshed like I'd just had a great nights sleep. Then two hours later when the swelling kicked in I had a horrendous headache that lasted a month and it just felt like my brain was moving around independently in my head when I was moving. It seriously felt like I could get re-concussed just by shaking my head. Prior to that I could never really "feel" my brain in my head. Twenty years later I am always aware of it. Doesn't hurt, but I can just feel it. It was beyond f'd up, and it really is like that cracked egg analogy. I had taken dozens of hard hits to the head in sports prior to that and was never more than a wee bit dazed really, and I had come to really lead with my head in most sports. Trent may be a pro athlete, but I really fear for guys who get concussions.
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Actually the cover 2 is designed not to give up the big play and since the cards longest play was 18 yards it worked quite well
Not give up the big play AND force teams to make mistakes. The Bills didn't force sh*t on the Cardinals.
This team lacks heart
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I disagree as well. I think they are playing hard, especially on defense considering that the offense is so futile and is routinely putting the defense in position to fail. If the games were closer the perception would be different, but that won't happen until they get something going on offense, or at least stop giving the game away.