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Your post makes many valid points,but most of them are arguable. I know you won't agree,but if somebody had the time and patience,a good argument stating the other side of most of your points can be made. For whatever reason you CHOOSE to see the glass as half empty in every point. You see a LB corp that's very slow and unathletic,I see a LB group that's 1 player away from being damn good. You see the worst OL in the NFL,I see an OL that's definitely in transition but with a good chance to be solid by the season opener. I could go on,but I've made my point. My question to you is,Why do you put yourself thru the agony of rooting with your heart and soul for a team when you have such a downer attitude about the whole situation? Obviously,you have a right to feel and do as you wish. I just don't get it.
A lot of teams don't see the precipitous drop coming. They think they have some good players. But in reality they just have too many players who could go either way, and sometimes a lot of them go the wrong way all at once and things spiral out of control. The Bills show all the signs. As for all the people who think the Bills aren't going to drop because they've been 7-9 forever....the old saying applies, "if you aren't getting better, you are getting worse". That's what's happening.
As for why I stay a Bills fan. I guess I have it in a different perspective? I follow the team closely, go to all the homegames follow all of college football and the NFL etc.., but it's just a hobby. I am an otherwise very busy person with a lot of responsibilities and assume most others are as well so I guess the question I have is how is it that so many people can't deal with the reality that the team they cheer for sucks because it is being mismanaged. It's just a game folks.
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Fair enough and I respect your opinion. But this negative energy has just been killing the Bills fan in me.
I for one have no idea what you are talking about. Negative energy? What the hell is your life like if you are so wired into this hobby that you can't even be honest with yourself about the state of the football team you follow. What's it going to take? 20 years and no playoffs? Seriously, it's one thing to be a fan, it's another thing to pointlessly defend ineptitude so vehemently. You are so concerned about the productivity of my posts, but wtf good does hating on me every time I post something do? Get a life for chrissake.
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I'm not asking this because I know...I'm just asking...Are there Head Coaches with 8 or more Years of experience with worse records than Jauron?
Nobody in the SB era has missed the playoffs 7 out of their first 8 seasons as a head coach. Nobody.
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Overall, I see much more potential for a poor record than the Bills vying for a playoff spot. Having to pick in the top five next year will be devastating to this team with all of the guaranteed money that will be required to sign that pick.
A lot of people don't realize that picking in the top 5 of the draft is not a good thing. It's as sure a way to keep your team awful as it is to make it any better at all. What is frustrating is that the Bills have actually been in a good drafting position for so many years and not managed to translate that into a better team on the field. They are poised to drop out of mediocrity and into the crapper at this point.
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An epic post from my favorite glass-is-half-empty poster (seriously). Re TO, he played quite well last year, and if not for the Brad Johnson interregnum, he probably would have ended up with his usual 75-80 catches/1200 yards. As it is, he still put up excellent numbers -- 70 catches/1052 yards and 10 TDs in one of the best divisions in football. And he had one of the best seasons of his career the year before. As for the drops, you're better than that, Badol. He's been droppin' balls since 1996, and in any event, Braylon Edwards led the league in drops last year. (Edwards is an elite receiver, of course.) Reading your post, one would think the Bills weren't at 7-9 three years running. You're basically equating them with an 0-16 team, and you're relying on truly specious claims like "the hands go first" (I always thought it was the legs, but what do I know?) because James Lofton played like crap in 1992 (which he truly did) and definitively stating that Edwards will get hurt early on based on nothing but your own gut instinct and your seeming view that he won't ever complete a season. Lofton is a bad comparison with TO -- Lofton was a deep threat guy who did NOT like going over the middle and taking a pounding; TO has always been fearless in that regard. Methinks Lofton saw the end coming and thought that perhaps it wasn't worth getting clobbered. As for Edwards, Chris Chandler made it through a bunch of seasons; I suspect Edwards will make it through a couple too. Whether that will be next year or not is anyone's guess, but to state so definitively that he will go down for the count strikes me as the talk of a person embracing negativity for its own sake instead of reasonably taking a wait-and-see approach. I'm also not sure how you see Ryan Fitzpatrick as a downgrade from Losman, who may not even make a roster this year.
Also, I haven't seen a enthusiastic post about June 1 cuts in at least a year. I'm not sure where that's coming from.
Lofton didn't retire after the Bills, he went on to drop a lot of balls the next year in Oakland. Guy could still get over the top of a defense though. As for the drops, the Owens leading the league in drops thing came from an article after the TO acquisition, but I believe it was actually most drops in the second half of the season. In any event, he used to drop some easy balls, now he's a drop machine. And yeah, he's old. He's from the same class as Keyshawn and Moulds. He's old. And yeah, he had production, but check out the end of Jerry Rice's career. His game dropped out overnight.
Good reference to Chris Chandelier. That is the kind of player Edwards reminds me of. He's not good enough to make a difference for a bad team. He's not an elite talent. He is a guy who could one day be a good fit for a good team that is just a QB away from doing something in the playoffs. As for my assumption that he will get hurt........he has always gotten hurt so I would say I more embrace reality than negativity. Making his line worse isn't going to lead to more durability, IMO.
And I never said anything about Losman. Fitzpatrick sucks though. He was awful in relief of Palmer last year, despite having Housh and Ocho Cinco, so why do you think so highly of him?
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First of all, they are guided by the lame duck Dick Jauron, arguably the worst long tenured head coach in the Super Bowl era. This alone would be cause for concern because everyone knows that he can't continue to do what he has been doing and keep his job. Unfortunately for him and us, he has been doing his best and it isn't even close to enough. Expect Jauron to try to be more aggressive and for the results to be worse because he isn't capable of coaching that brand of football.
Second, they have a fragile, physically limited starting QB, a very bad backup situation and nobody in development. Edwards will be hurt early in the season.
He will be hurt early because he has arguably the worst OL in the NFL in front of him. Seriously, look around the league and find a worse collection of OL. When Langston Walker is your best OL you have a serious concern.
Age:
The 4 best DL are all well on the backsides of their careers. Stroud, Schobel, Kelsay and Denney.....this unit was poor last year and is really poised for a big fallout. They all really are at the point in their careers where they should be backups or at best in a rotation with players of comparable or better talent. There is not a lot in the cupboard behind these guys either.
TO. I saw Dave McBride here talking about Owens as the best player on this team. That's not saying much, but even so, he's not. He's very old for a wr and has had declining production. I fully expect him to be nicked up in or before camp and nagged by injuries like you would expect from a player who is that old. Perhaps the key point though is that his hands are failing him. Anyone who remembers James Lofton as a Bill should remember that when the Bills let Lofton go he could still do everything he always could.......except catch the football consistently. The hands go first and TO lead the NFL in dropped passes last year.
The linebacker position is very slow and unathletic. Mitchell makes big plays, but he's not a very good all around player. Poz is a the opposite, he's solid but makes no plays. Who even knows who the other starter will be, but chances are it's not going to be a game changer and the backups are little more than special teamers.
The back of the secondary. There is no capable free safety on this roster. Unless you count Whitner as a free safety......which is a position he is worse suited for than SS.......holyshitt what a mess is brewing back there.
Perhaps the biggest sign of an implosion is the radical moves being made by and attributed to Russ Brandon. There appears to be an effort to add by subtraction as if the reason the organization has failed to win is because of a few guys who just aren't buying into the wonderful system in place. This situation is very reminiscent of what the Lions did last offseason.
I know a lot of you are counting on the draft and the June 1st releases to bolster this roster. Unfortunately the draft never supplies the kind of immediate help that a roster like this needs to get better now. Even the top picks will not lead this team. Not that this will keep the Bills from drafting for need instead of taking the best available player......that's what they do and it's the main reason they are so lacking in difference makers. Also, there won't be any June 1st cuts. I just mentioned this because for some reason people don't realize that June 1st ceased to be a key date about a decade ago and isn't even relevant at all since the last cba.
Lastly, a tough schedule in a tough division filled with teams run by instinctive, successful career football men.
I'd love to be wrong about this, but a year from now people will be wondering how any of us could have thought this team could be anything more than horrible. If Edwards goes down, and he will, this team is headed for 2-4 wins. The days of the team winning a handful of games by playing ultra conservative Jauron ball and taking advantage of young teams who are trying to get better are gone.
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My buddy is a Cheifs fan and he just text me that we are LB Pat Thomas. Don't know if it is true or not... we will see.
The Marv era is coming full circle, complete with a dozen insignificant free agent signings. No doubt in the name of creating competition on the roster.
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Looking at the other FA signings, if the Bills sign June and Coles will you look favorably on this free agency period?
Oh hell no. Florence will be out of here next offseason, as would June and Coles. Veritable band-aids. Hangartner might be as well, depending on the size and structure of his deal. He's a quality backup, but he's going to look like crap going face up against the NT's in the AFC East. How can I say these things? Check out the results from the past three ventures into free agency. They aren't doing anything differently.
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Quinn is more of a thicker body QB, like Jim Kelly, who might be better suited not only for our climate but also in the kind of offense that Jauron likes to run. I don't think that either QB has a big arm but physically Quinn looks to be a better fit for our type football that we are trying to employ. While Edwards might an intelligent QB I'm still not sold on his durability, he seems a bit frail to me and picturing him wearing that glove still makes me shudder. I know that Quinn landed up injured (against Buffalo) last year but that was just a finger smacking a helmet and that could have happen to any QB.
Does any of this seem reasonable? Comments welcomed.
I can easily see Trent not in the plans next offseason. The deck is stacked against this guy having success. His fragility is concern enough, but coupled with bad coaching a climate that is unfavorable to his weak arm and a receiving corps that does not mesh with his strengths he's really not a good fit here and now. I think he will end up having a career like Chris Chandler. He'll bounce around because of injuries and physical limitations(arm/mobility). But eventually, some team with a lot of talent and a favorable climate will pick him up and he'll see some success in the playoffs because I think he does have some special qualities. But overall, the guy is not cutout to carry a franchise long term. I don't know if Quinn is the guy, but I do know that I'd take Cutler in a heartbeat over Edwards, but who wouldn't?
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Is it just me or are we just treading water here? Cut a guard, sign a guard. Cut a CB, sign a CB. Let a backup QB walk, sign a backup QB.
I wonder if we'll see any kind of potential "impact" player sign.
It's the same course that got them to 7-9 three straight years. First and foremost, it is key to let good starters go so you have a glaring weakness that must be addressed, or reached for in rounds 1 & 2. But bad free agent signings are crucial to the plan too. What is the count after 3 years? Something like 16 of 18 free agents signed are gone already. Heinous!
Expect more of the same with Florence and Hangartner, not good signings for different reasons. Florence retired last year, this latest contract is like a social security check for this guy. Hangartner is JAG, and his replacement will be sought next offseason. Fans are going to hate this guy. I'm literally terrified to hear the terms of his contract. If and when Coles signs, he's one and done to the tune of about $10M in 2009. I'm not trying to save Ralph's money, Coles is just clearly on the downside.
In all fairness, the pickings were kinda' slim in free agency and expectations by fans were way out of line. Even some long time posters here were blindly talking about cutting players so the money could be used generically to improve other positions, as if filling holes in free agency was like a trip to Wal Mart.
But the Bills are to blame too for bemoaning their lack of talent and their determination to do something about it, when they really weren't determined or in good position to aggressively rectify the situation. I mean, how is this team........so desperate for a playmaking TE.......not involved in a Kellen Winslow trade? Prima dona or not, he'd catch 100 passes from short range Trent. The answer is two-fold, they are ball-less AND their flawed approach to team building for the past 3 years has left them a forsaken destination for proven veterans.
The organization needs a plan. If they can't get any help in free agency(and they've proven they can't), they need to be getting more than their share on draft day. Since they aren't going to beat the better organizations pick for pick, they really need to be stocking up on picks. Trade that first round pick, then trade it again if necessary, but come out of these drafts with 4-5 players with a chance at eventually starting instead of 2-3. If you want a Donte Whitner, don't reach for the guy. If you've got a good player who is going to leave in FA like Clements, at least franchise and trade the guy so you've got an extra draft pick. Value the quarterback position above all else, and focus on offensive line play and playmakers who accentuate the QB skills. Keep good QB's coming and don't be afraid to have too many good ones.
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They may not need a tackle, but they always take the best player and not what their need is If he is there they will take him or trade w/ someone that wants him at 11, if he falls that far
Since Marv got here, they've always drafted for need first. Whitner/McCargo/Lynch/Poz/McKelvin/Hardy. Of that bunch, MAYBE McKelvin was the best available at the time. And in fairness, that is not just in retrospect, the Bills of late have a reputation of reaching for need.
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I have no idea what marshawn would be worth, maybe something like a late 1st rounder? an early 2nd and 4th?
if you could trade him, would you? and what "realistically" would it take for you to trade him? just curious what the general thoughts and feelings are.
i would trade him for a high 2nd and 4th. and try to sign fred taylor. the picks would give them a lot of flexability provided they dont mess it up
No. Because his value is too low right now. The Bills would be LUCKY to get a 3rd for him right now, and it probably would have to be conditional to get that, so it wouldn't even be a 2009 draft pick. And I doubt they would trade him because of Fred Taylor. Taylor is pretty much done. If they did though, perhaps they would have learned their lesson about using #1 picks on RB's. Yeah, some teams can afford to do it, but if you have sub-par coaching and an inconsistent record in evaluating personnel you can't shop in the candy aisle on day 1.
The Winslow option would be intriguing though. He's on the out in Cleveland so there is a remote chance this could be done. No way Arizona trades Boldin for Lynch, Boldin is good product right now, Lynch is damaged goods. Winslow and Pettigrew would make a great duo in Schonert's now favored 2 TE offense. Big TE's are the ideal match for Trent Edwards strength, the short-to-mid-range passing game. Having two guys who can be moved from inline blocker to legitimate receiving threat would be a great weapon against these pain-in-the-asss 3-4 defenses.
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For those of you who blast DJ, have you ever heard the guy speak.
Talk is cheap. What's his record?
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Players would rather work / play for him than many of the A-hole coaches that have type A / crazy aggressive head coaches (like the Jaguar coach). Think about it, it does matter to them (as long as the $$ is there).
Much less head games from the coach and a respectful locker room. He never rips a player in the press, etc...
Now if he could just put together a winning season.
Normally, I would agree that this is a plus for Jauron. Three years ago, definitely. But face it, now he's a lame duck head coach with a horrible track record. Any free agent that signs here can look forward to 2 head coaches and systems in the next two years, and chances are Jauron's successor will be the anti-Jauron in terms of player handling.
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Another problem could be that Greer could demand 10 million per season and 25 million guaranteed in a trade. If no team bites on the contract demands, we're stuck with him at 9.8 million for next season.
And rather than overpay a good player like Greer $9.8M for one season, they will go out and sign 7 guys who can't play at all to the tune of about $20M cash to the cap only to cut them all before they reach season 2 in Buffalo. This team doesn't know the value of a cap dollar, and fortunately for them, most of their fans don't either. Nobody steps over a dollar to save a dime like the Buffalo Bills.
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Which is the whole point of this thread, 8 Million per season for 2 relatively unknown players. The money is just out of hand. But in this league, if you want to keep your young talent, you have to overpay at times. Just the nature of the beast...
Supply and demand. Demand for quality young veteran players is high, but because teams are flush with cap room, supply is short in free agency. The Bills have a rich history of letting good players leave in FA because they felt comfortable with their other players at those positions, only to find themselves using high draft picks to replenish those positions only a year or two later. For once I'd like to see them be pro-active.
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Agreed. Because the second greer signs the tag, he's guaranteed his 9 million from either us or someone else. You can't tag him and simply expect to get someone who will give up picks for him. Its akin to trading down. Too many people think its as simple as blinking your eyes. You franchise greer and some team will magically trade something for him. And what about the contract demands. The new team is going to sign him to a long term deal. Greer can then play hard ball with potential trade partners because he knows he's got a guaranteed 9 mil.
Tagging and trading may be a good idea for players that want to leave, but only if they are worth the tag value. If you dont think Jabari Greer is worth 10 million per season, then you can't tag him and *expect* someone to trade for him.
I don't believe for a minute the Bills will franchise Greer, but as fans we should hope so. Whether they keep him or trade him. I'm not sure why everyone is so concerned about saving Ralph's money for him. The team is around $25M under the cap going into free agency, they'll never spend to the limit, and they won't even think about trying to carry it over. Greer is not great, but this is the economics of NFL at the moment. He's a good player, and their roster is weakened by his absence. The sticker shock some fans are feeling is only there because top salaries for free agent position players have not moved proportionately with the cap over the last decade. Now they are catching up quickly as teams are no longer in cap crisis and are spending money trying to compete just as they did back in the late 1990's.
Last offseason, people flipped out about Tommy Kelly's deal in Oakland, when in fact it didn't average much if any more than the extension Ted Washington signed with Buffalo in 1998($6.5M per). And today, the $8M for Greer would be quite commensurate to the contract a lesser cornerback by the name of Ken Irvin once signed with the Bills that averaged just over $3M per when the cap was only about $50M. Difference being that franchising Greer is a one year committment with no ramifications for next offseason, while the Irvin deal ended up having to be extended at significant cap cost to the team.
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Did DJ miss a field goal against the Browns after their counterpart nailed a 50 yarder? Did DJ fumble in a close game against Miami trying to stretch for a first down? Did DJ fumbled against the Jets?
No, and he didn't catch the game winning TD at the end of the Jacksonville game, or break up that 4th down pass into the endzone to seal the victory against Denver, etc.. Like I've said before, you always come up one painful step short of having a point. Try some ginko or something.
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Graham is merely reporting what the cops told him so I have no qualms with him. But alleging that Lynch was smoking marijuana is a huge charge to level against an NFL player. And they reportedly knew he was an NFL player. Why not get him with a double whammy of felony gun and marijuana possession, and really make up for him "getting away it" with last summer? Here's the cops' chances to put away America's Most Wanted.
Well, when you put the dick to the cops, that is a risk you run. He played the system to his advantage last spring, but he did so by making a mockery of the police department by avoiding them like they were a bunch of pee-ons. That sh*t comes back on you.
I run a couple of businesses, and inevitably the police come around for something. There are ways of achieving your objective without disrespecting authority. Marshawn and his attorney treated the accident last year like he was defending himself against a triple homicide instead of a relatively minor traffic violation. It worked, but it was wrong and it is/was bound to lead to a zero tolerance relationship between him and law enforcement. And it was INCREDIBLY stupid to go that far to avoid prosecution if he wasn't going to make a 180 degree change in his behavior with respect to the law.
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Dillon had some incredible years running for the Bungals. He was such a fantastic RB in his hey-day.
Dillon was clearly the better player on the field, but he was a very high character risk coming out of college. Smith was a relative choir boy which allowed him to move way up and eventually jump Dillon in the offseason pre-draft process.
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Don't hate the player, hate the system.
Hate? Frankly, the shelf life on a RB is too short to care all that much about "the player". All you jock sniffers need to keep that in mind when you are rationalizing ways to defend idiotic behavior on the part of the renter in jersey #23. What matters here is how it affects the success of the team, and it looks like #23 ain't going to be paying his first months rent next fall.
That said, he hasn't had a 100 yard game before November in either of his first two years, so maybe a suspension wouldn't be the undoing of his 2000 yard season afterall. Hell, maybe the top RB's in the AFC will have other things to do again in February next year and Lynch may even still get another invite to the Pro Bowl.
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Poz isn't really good enough to play any of the three linebacker positions.
Poz is the anti-Chuck Norris. His tears CAUSE cancer and he cries a lot.
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This is precisely the reason why you should not mix family and business.
Finally, I am in complete agreement with something you've posted. And as usual, C.Biscuit falls one painfully short step from the point. Knowing why you should not mix family and business to start with makes it easier to deal with such conflict when it inevitably happens(family and business will mix). It was Ralph's job to be above that nonsense, resolve the matter and let time heal the wound before he lost the incredibly valuable, respected leader of his business. A 70 year old businessman who had seen so little on field success in this particular business prior to hiring Polian should have known better.
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It sounds like you don't entirely understand what civil rights are. Civil rights are not just about the 1960's & African Americans. You have civil rights & I as well. One of which is freedom of privacy & protection against unreasonable warrantless searches. As it stands now there has not been any official explanation of probable cause. If that stands, then Lynch & his buddies had their civil rights violated. Sitting in a vehicle is not a crime. They are also called civil liberties or Constitutional rights. This is what is supposed to make us the most free country in history & what is supposed to seperate us from China or Russia. When people say "America is the best country in the world" it is because of our Constitutional civil rights but sadly most Americans have no idea how much our government violates the Constitution.
Lynch played the system like a violin last spring and got away with a cruel, careless act of negligence against another human being. I somehow find it hard to sympathize with him in this unfortunate, yet infinitely avoidable circumstance. Perhaps if he were serving a reasonable punishment for the first crime he wouldn't have been in position to commit the other.
Bills are bottoming out
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This may not be the year where their record bottoms out, but there is no lower point than when you realize half way through the season that a major roster overhaul has to be done and that the foundation of the future is not even on the roster yet. Watching 16 games of football by a bunch of crap players and coaches who won't be there when the day comes that the mess is turned around? Priceless.