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The linebackers have also made a lot of plays which if they had missed, would have been big gains. Also the DLs. That's the nature of this fill the gaps style D. Are you really saying that making the tackles that a guy playing that position is expected to make qualifies a guy as a #8 draft pick, because I just don't think too many people are going to agree with you there.
Also, Whitner's versatility is great, but not that far out of the ordinary. Remember Troy Vincent? Should we have valued him as a #8 pick value when he played with us? He went from CB to safety. Versatility. The fact is that certain positions, particularly secondary, OL and LB are often able to switch roles within that group of positions. Do we say, hey, our RT can also play RG and C in an emergency. He must have been worth a #8. And our MLB could play on each side in a pinch. Secondary is the same way. Lots of DBs play various positions in an emergency. It's great. But doesn't move their value up to #8.
Yeah, I don't buy the versatility angle either. But as far as what Whitner is doing this year, I'm not talking about filling gaps and making routine tackles. He's made a number of plays that would have been out of the grasp of pretty much any safety the Bills have had in quite a while. Plays you are used to seeing by the likes of Sanders or Polomalu. But at this point, certainly not nearly as many. He's probably not going to be the NFL's defensive MVP anytime soon, but he's real good.
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Traditionally is the key word here. Many fans have not caught up with the concept that Safety has become a very important and sought after position......therefore they are being drafted higher than they used to be......and are often drafted inside the top 10.
Over the last 7 drafts, the top 10 picks breaks down like this.....
QB 11
WR 10
OT 9
DE 9
DT 7
S 6
RB 6
CB 6
LB 4
TE 2
It is definitely trendy to pick a safety that high, but the results of those picks haven't really proven it to be a way to maximize value of that pick to your team. The intent is to find the next Bob Sanders or Ed Reed, but those guys weren't chosen in that top half of round 1. Bypassing a good lineman that is sorely needed in favor of a good safety is pretty questionable.
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I'm going to be in Florida this weekend so I'm going to go to the game, where do you tailgate? I don't have a ticket yet, if someone has one for sale near some Bills fans I'd be interested, otherwise I'm going to get a scalped ticket. I'm assuming there are usually decent seats available since they don't always sell out, is that the case?
Will be sitting in section 101 row 6!, anyone else near me, if not close?! I will be tailgating with a bunch of of my friends, if you buffalo area fans are coming down your are more welcome to join, here is a taste from last year or the year before!
And you will notice, from my group of friends im the only miami bills fan!, i need some support! =)
Will be getting there around 9am!!!! GOOO BILLLS!
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Whitner made quite a few open-field tackles, which if he missed... would have been big gains. He had one of these great plays on sunday.
Yeah, he's been doing that all season. He hasn't caused turnovers so it can be easy to overlook, but he's prevented a number of big plays and killed many drives that might have changed the outcome of some close games. He's having a really good season, I hope he gets his hands on the football a little more so he doesn't get overlooked for Pro Bowl consideration.
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Whitner is rounding into the player he is expected to be from that selection. With Bob Sanders injured he has a realistic chance to make his first Pro Bowl, IMO. That said, #8 overall is still very high to select a safety and safety is way down the list of positions of importance and traditionally a position teams find value at much later in the draft. The pick was rightfully questioned. Ngata seemed like the answer to the Bills leaky run defense and he's been very good while the Bills have been pretty much helpless against the run until trading for Stroud. As for Whitner being the 4th best player in the draft.......maybe eventually, but it will be a tall order in a draft featuring TANDEM picks like Ferguson and Mangold, Williams and DeMeco Ryans, Cutler and Brandon Marshall.......some really good players. In the end, did they reach for Whitner? Yeah, but he is turning out to be worth the risk.
You might as well be still arguing that The Surge didn't work.
It's time to deal with the reality that The Surge did work and drafting Donte Whitner at 8 in 2006 was not only not a reach, it's lining up to be a steal. Let's start with this right here. A "great" player makes those around him better. How about a player that can replace those around him due to matchup or injury and improve the play at that position? Strike one.
Let's look at who was drafted ahead of Whitner:
1 Houston Texans Mario Williams Defensive end
2 New Orleans Saints Reggie Bush Running back
3 Tennessee Titans Vince Young Quarterback
4 New York Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson Offensive tackle
5 Green Bay Packers A. J. Hawk Linebacker
6 San Francisco 49ers Vernon Davis Tight end
7 Oakland Raiders Michael Huff Safety
Who of the above is a better leader than Whitner? Who is, pound for pound, playing better at their position? Who is having a better effect on the players around them? Who can step in and play 3 other positions on the field? Strike two.
Hawk, Davis, and Huff? It's not even a debate. I can see Ferguson, maybe, but Whitner's intangibles and versatility means he wins. Young? Please. Reggie Bush is starting to look like a 3rd down scat back. Marshawn has the same # of TDs, and 100 more yards on the ground. Mario Williams I can see, but again, he loses in terms of the overall player.
Ferguson, Williams and even Bush are debatable, but even if you throw them in we still got the 4th best guy in the draft at the #8 slot, and that is a steal any way you cut it. 4 spots in the top ten = (to move from 8 to 4) costs you a #18 2nd round draft pick, or 2 #14 3rd round picks. Draft value chart here So, like I said, Whitner is an absolute steal.
Finally, the other players ahead of Whitner have all probably peaked. They are what they are and they are as good as they are going to get. They average safety doesn't really hit their stride until 5-6 years in the league, and that means Whitner is only going to get better. I'm sure Vince Young is going to make a big comeback...
Strike three. 3 strikes you're out. Here endeth the argument. Deal with it. And for those of you still trying to talk about Ferguson, please explain how the hell we were supposed to do a deal with a division rival over the guy they wanted.
It's over. Be happy we didn't listen to you, and be happy that Marv Levy was running this team.
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True McCargo was a bust but Witner, Yobouty, Simpson, Williams, Butler and Ellison were added to the roster - all but Yobouty are starters and he is close as the nickel. While it is hard to say what Buffalo would have done with the picks they gave up for McCargo (2nd round and ) the Bears selected Danieal Manning - Safety - hardly a solid pick - and Dusty Dvoracek Defensive end - like this guy is a perennial pro bowler. Buffalo took a gamble on McCargo but if you look at the draft as a whole Buffalo grades out very well.
The Bills had a productive draft, but the franchise shaping draft of 2006 was Jay Cutler, Tony Sheffler, Brandon Marshall and Elvis Dumervil to Denver. By all rights, that organization should be dead in the water with all the bad moves they've made, but that one draft single handedly has kept them from cycling out of contention.
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While I wouldn't give away the farm for him, a 3rd and a 6th (or even 5th) would be a no-brainer, IMO.
Gonz is clearly past his prime, but as most note, is a big step up from what the Bills currently have. More importantly, IMO, is that if the Bills acquire Gonzalez (I understand that isn't likely), they might actually start to use the tight end more in the offense. THAT would be the biggest improvement, IMO. I would settle for them using Royal more, if this doesn't happen.
The Bills haven't had a very good tight end since Metzelaars. The best was Riemersma, who was really no better than an average starter due to the dropsies and his creaky body. I'll make this prediction however, if the Bills acquire Gonzalez, they will find another very good one in the draft or free agency very soon as well. Beyond the fact that the pressure would be off of the personnel dept., the Bills are due to find their version of Dallas Clark. Get Gonzalez.
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I do not think the two hits are comparable. Connolly had no idea he was going to be hit and his face/forehead slammed square into some guy's shoulder. He had no chance to brace himself and the initial impact of the hit was absorbed directly by his head.
The initial impact of Wilson's tackle is absorbed by Trent's chest. I don't think it was until the back of Trent's head hits the ground that the concussion probably occurred. Trent knew the hit was coming so you could say he had a chance to brace himself. People on the board have said Trent was joking and talking after the game, which I doubt Connolly was capable after his blow to the head.
I've had my head slam head first into a shoulder before while playing hockey. You don't feel right for the rest of the day, you go home and puke and then the next day you feel fine. I am hoping this is the type of "concussion" that Trent suffered.
It's really hard to tell from what we saw. All I can offer is that I had a bad concussion once, I was out cold for about 15 minutes, woke up and felt refreshed like I'd just had a great nights sleep. Then two hours later when the swelling kicked in I had a horrendous headache that lasted a month and it just felt like my brain was moving around independently in my head when I was moving. It seriously felt like I could get re-concussed just by shaking my head. Prior to that I could never really "feel" my brain in my head. Twenty years later I am always aware of it. Doesn't hurt, but I can just feel it. It was beyond f'd up, and it really is like that cracked egg analogy. I had taken dozens of hard hits to the head in sports prior to that and was never more than a wee bit dazed really, and I had come to really lead with my head in most sports. Trent may be a pro athlete, but I really fear for guys who get concussions.
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Actually the cover 2 is designed not to give up the big play and since the cards longest play was 18 yards it worked quite well
Not give up the big play AND force teams to make mistakes. The Bills didn't force sh*t on the Cardinals.
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The player that Antoine is now was not the player he was in Buffalo. He always covered and tackled really well, but he never made the plays and forced the turnovers here like he's doing in Minnesota. I think he made more interceptions his first year in Minnesota than he did all of his career in Buffalo, or its close. Someone should check that.
I'm not saying we should have let him go, he was one of my favorite players, but its not as if he was making those plays here and we let him walk.
When he left, they had Clements, a simialarly physical and effective player who was bigger, younger and had better ball skills. At the time it looked like they were making a choice, because Clements contract would come due in the middle of any long term deal Winfield got. But it turns out they just don't want to put their money where their mouth is(on draft day). Chances are McKelvin will not become the kind of player that Clements and Winfield are, but if he does, here's hoping they just close their eyes and sign the guy so they can move on and fill more important positions on draft day.
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A big part of that is the way the corners where used, when Winfield played with the Bills. Don't you remember the soft coverage (10 yard cushions) the corners had to give on nearly every play?
That's a fair assessment, IMO. Winfield and Clements skills were underutilitzed in Buffalo, and the zone tendencies of the Bills defenses have always made me wonder why they need to draft the best cover corners instead of just geting good zone corners later in the draft. Clements didn't really get an opportunity to show what he could do until the second half of 2006 when they let him match and move with the opponents best receiver. Winfield and Clements are their current teams defensive MVP's which IMO begs the question, if a guy is good enough to be your #1 pick, and performs up to that standard, then why are you letting them walk in FA and going back to the well in round 1 to replace them? Makes no sense.
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Was his knee about to explode while his leg was 10 degrees from snapping in half?
No, but then Campbell has the kind of body control you expect from a backup skill player at the NFL level. Royal on the other hand is an awkward, clumsy oaf in the open field. Royal is probably the starting TE in the NFL most likley to pull an unnecessary "Sage Rosenfels" and cough up the ball. The guy is all arms and legs, and no clue where they are going. In his defense, he has always been a liability in the passing game, but for some reason the Bills incorrectly evaluated him in free agency, thinking he was an untapped talent(it bears noting that this is the same team that evaluated Kevin Everitt and thought HE could be a good NFL TE). Now that their prize young QB has suffered a very bad concussion on a safety blitz, perhaps they will start thinking about protecting him above all else by getting him a good TE to occupy those safeties and provide a quick reliable target.
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I say the defence did .
Yeah, most definitely the defense. Not even close. Basically, since the clock stopped them on their field goal drive and the end of the half, the Cardinals went the distance on 6 of their first 7 drives. CRAZY bad defense, reminiscent of the debacle against NE last year. Atrocious.
Losman came apart late in the second half, but the competitive portion of the game ended when Royal fumbled, and to that point Losman had played pretty well. His play when the outcome was no longer in doubt was discouraging, you'd like to see the offense put up more of a fight, but in terms of the defeat, his play wasn't the problem.
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Bill, I actually didn't think Greer played poorly. He was beaten repeatedly by a very accurate QB who saw no pressure. Once again we see just how valuable those cb's are when you can't get to the QB. Worthless. The Bills are lacking athletes in the front 7, and that really is the result of tradeoffs made by Levy and Jauron. The decision to change so much personnel, lead to drafting to fill self inflicted wounds at RB/MLB/S/CB instead of building upon their roster. The upside is that the Bills replaced some talented veteran players with younger talented players and the attitude of the team is good. The downside is that they are neither stout nor explosive on defense and teams have identified these weaknesses and attacked them.
Regarding Robert Royal, as I've said many times, he's awful. He's clumsy and makes critical mental errors, but he is just good enough to fend off the low pedigree pretenders the Bills bring in on day two of the draft every year. While I would argue that his fumble today should have been blown dead for forward progress, the truth is the fumble was a result of his awkwardness and lack of athleticism. The team is dying for a good TE. They really should get on the phone with KC and see if they can work out a deal for Gonzalez. Edwards badly needs a reliable TE. Gonzalez is old, but he's just better in all phases of the game than Royal. I don't want to see Edwards get 3-4 concussions this season and become a throwaway, because without Edwards this team is back to playing "not to lose" football to stay alive. I also think fans would be surprised how much the run game would improve if those LB's and safeties had to respect the tight end position.
How much of a dog in practice must Chris Ellis be for Copeland Bryan to be active every week? They really need Ellis earn some playing time, there have been a number of big plays that teams have made at the expense of Bryan that Ellis has the athletic ability to have prevented.
And yeah, it was good to see Hardy catch a few passes. He was terrible versus the Rams, so his modest performance today was encouraging. It would be great if he were playing like Eddie Royal of DeSean Jackson, but all things considered, he's on target to become a good player. They miss the threat of Roscoe Parrish, but Parrish seems to miss a chunk of time every season and can never really put together a full season, so it's important that Hardy keep developing and turn into the big play complement to Evans.
Regarding McKelvin, picking a cb/kr #1 will look better on paper if the Bills are able to bolster their front 7 and fix the TE position in the next year. I still contend that you don't need to draft a cb early in round 1 if you are going to play your corners 10 yards off the ball and allow everything underneath to be completed like the Bills routinely do.
1) It was good to see Hardy getting involved. Trent went to him in a clutch situation despite the problems last week.2) It was due to confusion after the non-penalty call for an illegal receiver. (the costly delay of game penalty).
3) Jabari Greer had a particularly rough outing, despite making a play or 2.
4) It was entirely Fowler's fault. (1st fumble).
5) Any complaints about Peters today? He certainly made progress, and had the blind side sealed off for most of the game.
6) The play calling was too conservative. (Having to settle for A 48 yard field goal).
7) I agreed with Jauron on the non-challenge. Royal once again reminded us of why the Skins let him walk. We need a tight end folks.
8) After all, it is hard to come from behind. it makes it harder to get a pass off under any and all circumstances. (4th quarter sack/fumble despite having a calendar month to throw).
9) When McKelvin stops hesitating, he is going to return kickoffs for touchdowns. Seriously, if he returns 5 for touchdowns this season alone, it wouldn't surprise me. This kid is explosive. Speaking of DBs, don't ask me why but I like Whitner and Youboty more, not less after this game. Again, don't ask me why, but I am dead serious.
10) Coming off the bench is never easy. It is also demoralizing. (lack of any game sense at all, and walking away from Schonert when he is talking to you).
11) Thanks Buffalo Bills, for 4 weeks of elation. Come on....can one person here deny being on top of the world during this streak? I for one believe that we will come back and defeat San Diego.
12. The right defensive end made the play, so it HAD to be the fault of Peters. (Running back to the 2 yard line on a screen and getting sacked depite having perhaps twice the amount of time neccessary to get the pass away).
13. GET WELL TRENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14) GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Saying Peters has sucked is easy. Even The Senator can do that. Backing it up with evidence is another. In his first start Kelly t. Dog broke down every offensive play, and showed that, despite a few really bad plays, Peters had a decent, game.
To my untrained eye, the entire offensive line looked like crap yesterday, but Peters didn't jump out at me as the worst offender. Walker looked to have missed a few blocks, from what I saw.
Peters has been bad. His teammates have picked up for him, but he gave up game changing sack/fumbles in both the Jax and Oakland games and more or less killed the first two drives in the Rams game with a lazy penalty and wiff sack, respectively. Those plays in the Rams game really opened up the door for the Rams to get into a game the Bills should have won by halftime. He looks bell shaped and soft compared to the more athletic player he was last season, and it has shown in his inability to recover from missteps. At some point, if he doesn't hurt himself first, he'll round into form and we'll all be happy. But right now he's playing himself out of the upper echelon of left tackles and raising questions about his dedication to the game and functional intelligence. I mean seriously, this guy is not playing like a guy who just isn't in "football shape", he's playing like he spent the offseason on a couch. He's a great talent, the most talented player on the Bills, but nobody can get by mailing it in in the NFL, and that's what he's done to this point.
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Yeah, the Bills kinda' gave up on him. But sometimes that's what it takes to make talent equal performance. Guess that was their return on Will James. They're still waiting on McCargo, but as disappointing as he has been they should be patient.
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After watching 3 quarters of the Bills being unable to handle the pressure and press coverage of the Raiders I wondered what it would take to get Gonzalez. You couldn't really offer too much, because I agree that getting an impact young TE is a priority, but man how nice having a playmaking TE would be. Gonzalez and the Bills would be a good fit, IMO.
I love how the team chemistry is now and how young of a team we now are and were only going to get better.....just watched nfl network and tony gonzalez would be open to a trade in the right circumstance...he would be a great tight end for trent and it would make trent and our offense that much better.....he wants to win just like us....we could still always draft a tightend early in the draft next year to learn behind him....any ideal of what it would cost us and would anyone oppose it?? thoughts??? -
Ritchie also played at Stanford.
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Did you see the pass he threw to Parrish for 50 yards? He's thrown some to Lee that long too. Fifty yards is not an average arm especially when he has pinpoint accuracy.
I was going to say that those videos had to be altered because he obviously can't throw like that, according to the "experts", as a joke I'm just not sure they think it's a joke.
If it's about how far a QB can throw a ball, Edwards probably would be in the bottom 5 of NFL starters. Sorry, but the guy does not have a gun for an arm. Mechanically, you'd be hard pressed to find a QB who uses his hips less when he throws. Using that core to generate power is what a guy like Tom Brady has done to elevate his arm from below average to above. When Edwards throws, it's all shoulder. Right now, the deep ball for Edwards is all about anticipation, and he has been very good at getting the ball out quickly and anticipating where the receiver will be after his break.
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Some people just don't listen
LISTON VERY CAREFULLY.....then hit REPLAY
Buffalo Bills 28
Oakland Raiders 10
He has a below average "arm" for an NFL starter. But what he does have is more valuable. Including knowing his limitations and not trying to make throws he can't complete. That said, it would be nice to see them get the ball downfield a little more to loosen up the run game for Lynch and Jackson. When you've got Lee Evans in your receiving corps, your first deep ball shouldn't come with 5 minutes left in the game. Edwards has had a great start, but don't discount the value of a quick-six now and then. Expect the Raiders to be squatting on all those short throws this week. Edwards should have some good opportunities to hit the deep ball.
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Where are the apology threads for McCargo, Josh Reed and all the other key contributors to the perfect season?
Seriously, it's two games in. Jauron has a LONG history of losing. Lombardi he is not. That said, he's no worse than Wade Phillips or Norv Turner. Give them talent and the right circumstances and they can win some games and even get you into the playoffs.
Things are falling into place for the Bills this season. They've had games versus two beat-up teams(Seattle lost at home to lowly SF today, btw). They have a favorable schedule. The top 4 teams in the conference coming into the season, NE/SD/Indy/Jax are 3-5 combined. They have suffered injuries to a number of key players, and all appear to be the worse for it. Even if the Bills don't tackle better or pass the ball downfield consistently they may still compete for a playoff spot.
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Forgot to hit Tivo.
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Excellent Najeh Davenport reference. He wouldn't have stolen the bags, course he may have done much worse.
It if were a solid, easy to clean up "tail" it might not have been as bad as stealing. Just saying.
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Agreed about the trade. Do you really think the Bills will stick it out for a year or even two?
Of course, Brandon has no track record at all on these things and I rather think Ralph and/or Littmann is the man behind the curtain again (this has deja vu all over again written all over it), so you may be right. Still, I'm not sure how it benefits the Bills to play hard ball and let Peters talent atrophy for a couple of years. His value to the Bills diminishes greatly, either as a player or as a trade, if this thing becomes that protracted.
As far as uncompromising "tough negotiators," I doubt many agents will be any more afraid of the Bills after seeing them throw Peters away in a demonstration of futile stubbornness if it goes down like that. I could even see agents steering their clients away like in the bad ol' days, simply telling anybody that the Bills draft to flip the team the bird, and re-enter the draft the next year. (FWIW, I'm not saying the Bills are not trying to work a deal with Peters, but the public perception of a situation that amounts to "letting their best player rot for 2 seasons at home" will not be that the Bills are masterful at working out their problems.)
Don't worry about agents or their free agents. Money talks in free agency. That is a complete non-issue. As for letting Peters rot, I'm not saying that. I'm saying put him on the back burner and go on as if he were too injured to play. If he shows up and is ready to play and he represents an upgrade, which he surely would, then play him. No questions asked. No vindication.
When you are dealing with people like Parker, you've got to play it cold. Kindness and weakness are the same thing in this case, and if the Bills have been all too guilty of being Mr. Nice/Mr.Punkass since Marv took over. Not that Marv was doing a terrible job with personnel, but this isn't 1990 anymore. Free agency has taken a lot of the innocence out of the game. That's fine, but Marv still thought that giving players everything they wanted was a way to make the team better. It's not. In some cases it actually manufactures dissatisfaction and turns otherwised focused workers into greedy opportunists.
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This strain of staph is extremely serious and pretty new and the medical community doesn't really have an answer for it, hence the surgeries to clean out infections. If I were a player, as little as they know about controlling this, I wouldn't want to play against a team that has mutliple players coming down with it for fear of contracting the disease from those guys. That's why they wanted him to keep his mouth shut. That said, it's his decision and he's not wrong for saying something.