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Actually I think they do have a plan. Problem is that the plan changes every two years when they blow up their coaching staff.
Oh it changes a whole lot more often than that, vincec.
Remember when they signed Kyle Orton on the eve of the the season when they knew they were in deep trouble with EJ?
How to you let yourself get in a corner on one modest QB prospect and have to sign a starting QB on the eve of the season and risk a season like that?
Preparation and evaluation failure.
Their plans lack detail and nuance.......hence their randomness.
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Match or don't match. I'm ok with either. He is a good player and it is only a 2 yr deal. For the record I would match. But if they don't I really don't see it as a big deal. They have other backs on the roster and the extra pick will help the depth in the back 7 on defense.
You sure about that?
It would be interesting to see the list of names of players that have been selected with the specific pick # that the Bills will get from the Pats.
I think Bills fans really get selective amnesia come draft time about just how little production most 5th-7th round picks put up in their careers.
With a whopping 17 3rd and 4th round comp picks this year that fifth ain't gonna' be early.
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If Bills don't match for Gillislee, Pats will have 6 RBs and 2 FBs on current roster.
Reggie Ragland is going to be busy in those two Pats games this year.
I wish the Pats would have traded away their 6th round pick in 2000 for a backup RB.
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It makes sense to let him go and take the pick if you are rebuilding.
Bills also paying a bridge QB 30 million over 2 years with 8.5 dead cap if they release next year.
Bills have no plan. They are just doing random things.
This is a thread winner.
Always cracks me up when people think they know that Bills moves are part of some greater plan.
They are always the ones most disillusioned when it turns out that the dumpster fire was an accident.
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Just to be clear if the Bills let him walk it isn't because their hands are tied by the cap. They have PLENTY of money to sign him. It is because they don't think that he is worth that and/or don't want him for 2 years.
The issue isn't "now they can't afford him" it is that they had an opportunity to get him cheaper by offering a higher tender or guaranteed short-term deal. Now they are reacting to what has happened. They lost control of his market which didn't have to happen.
Yeah, who can understand how they handle finances at OBD.
Good thing they promoted Overdorf because the formula must be complicated.
An injured, proven-nothing Jordan Poyer is worth 4 years $14M to HOPEFULLY lose a starting FS job to a more promising player.......and MG can't get a one year, second round tender?
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Dont get me wrong, I would have loved, LOVED to re-sign TD Mike. I know he was a valuable and even integral part of the team. I dont mean to take anything away from his talent.
But I'm not going to get worked up about our backup RB, when we are entering a new season with a new coaching staff (especially on the Offensive side of the ball), and the draft hasnt even happened yet.
I'd rather see some balance brought to the O, and our passing game improve to where we dont have to worry about the backup RB.
Reading some posts here, I wouldnt have been that upset about Kenny Davis leaving!
Kenny Davis was good......not as good as what MG has been......even relative to his era......but he also wasn't as integral to his teams success because that team had talent across the board.
MG is really just another of the Bills mounting talent losses.
That's the greater issue.......they've taken some SERIOUS personnel steps backward........Whaley is really going to have to start sh*tting rainbows to avoid the torch and pitchfork teatment this year.
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The worst part of this is that McCoy is gonna be out of the NFL doing radio this year, so now we have no RBs!
Was it a leap year? Sh*t, I thought he was still 28?
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McCoy played more than half that game.
I think he tore up his knee just before the half.......but since you mentioned it......how was he doing before that on that day?
(hint: HORRIBLE)
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nothing to do with the cap. They can and have keep who they want to keep at the value they place on the player for their offense, nor the value for NE's offense. Paying Gillislee 4 mill for 6 carries/game is absurd. They have an elite RB they want to use and several backups. NE uses a RBBC, they don't have an elite starting RB, they use them all interchangeably. Bills could pay him 4 mil if they wanted to. They would be only the 3rd team in the league to pay a backup RB over 2 mill/yr. Why should they do that? It's a new coaching staff and offense, they place the value that fits. They got a draft pick off of NE for a replaceable player they signed off the street. Before you insist he's not replaceable, wait and see if was replaceable. Most backup RBs with good OLs are.
Is that supposed to be profound?
Then how many teams pay their starting RB $9M per year? I'll help you.....LESS THAN 3.
How many teams lead the NFL in rushing by a lot in each of the last two years.......whether the $9M RB has a good year(2016) or not(2015)?
That's in GREAT part because the backups averaged 5.5 ypc on about 250 carries for those two years. MG personally 5.7.
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or it took him 3 years to land on the team that was dedicated to running the ball and having the #1 rush O.
Lack of WR talent? That's the reason behind our floundering passing game all this time?!?
I'd say system fit and injuries set him back.
Nobody is assassinating the Dolphins for letting him leave.......because you can't wait for RB's.
The Bills issue is that the running game is the backbone of their team so MG has more value than a typical backup.
And yes......in that simplified pass offense WR talent was a limiting factor.
It went from Watkins/Harvin/Woods in early 2015 when they were scoring like a pinball machine on the ground and air......... to basically only Woods healthy last year....and not the whole year.
MG did a ton to mitigate the lack of WR talent. 5.7 ypa in each of two years and all those TD's.......when many of the carries were in production tamping short yardage situations? Which he was great at too? Man he has been good.
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Funny how you left out vs the pats 12-85-1td
And Washington 4-81-1td
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MG was a 5th round running back cut by the team that drafted him.
Exactly.....and it took 3 years for him to adapt and succeed.......can they afford to pencil Jon Williams in as their RB2 in an offense where the running game is required to score the TD's because of a lack of WR talent?
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Except Reggie. And Boom Herron. And Boobie Dixon. And Jonathan Williams. And Cierre Wood.
Does anybody actually watch full seasons of the Bills or nah?
Exactly.
Most of those guys were all naturally gifted 3.0 ypc rushers.........roster filler.......even Roman and Tyrod couldn't make them work in an offense that needs the RB's to score the TD's.
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Sorry, but I thought Williams looked BAD. Slow, tentative, and a fumbler. I hope he improves, but good RBs are usually good right off of the bat. I was shocked at his lack of elusiveness.
Yeah he was surprisingly bad.
This thread is full of "only Bills fans" takes.......but only Bills apologists think 5th round RB's who look awful are OK to pencil right in for 75 carries.
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Just liked they lucked into Fred Jackson? Or lucked into a McCoy trade? Why can't they just Luck into Williams?
There are very few things the Bills are good at. Finding rbs is probably the main one.
Well, they didn't find another Hogan last year, did they?
It's a deep RB draft class and with Jon Williams looking slow to the hole and Shady on the outs after this season they needed to be getting another young rotational back anyway....... but it's not a given that the draft pick will be useful......Jon Williams looked like a steal, but sucked.
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Every team. Every team loses good players.
Every year.
Really? A net loss every year? Where is all this talent going?
Methinks you oversimplify.
How do you define "success"?
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You should have been here for Tyson Clabo!!!!
Yeah, who did he think he was working the Bills like that?
Bills finished last JUST FINE without him.
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They also lost much better players than mg. that's the nfl. It's only in buffalo that the angst meter goes off the charts for a backup.
You'd fit right in here with the old school apologists during the Marv/Brandon GM era.
The chicken littles say the sky is fallin! If someone mentions 8 years since a playoff appearance a puppy dies!
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McCoy is 29, and has had hamstring issues the past two years. What are the odds he plays 16 games? A quality backup is needed, nonetheless.
No dude, c'mon we gotta' save $1M in cap space NOW......... and then have to go sign a washed up RB like Reggie Bush for $3M for one year in training camp when McCoy's strings get balky.
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I didn't like losing Hogan and knew he would be a good player in NE and better than he was here. I hated losing Gilmore to them because I know he is really, really good.
But MG is just another guy who played on one of the best running offenses in the NFL. I really don't get the fuss. Karlos Williams was just as good and he was probs let high most of the time.
Well, somebody is going to have to step up and though he looked good on tape at Arkansas, Jon Williams didn't look good last year.
There is a prevailing belief among Bills fans that MG benefited more from Shady than the other way around............but it's the opposite......MG did a lot of critical work in short yardage and goal line that Shady CAN'T do.
If Shady starts getting those carries......he starts looking A LOT worse.
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But everything looks much better when you have Tom Freakin' Brady. Gilmore was a stud and stupid Nills fans couldn't recognize it. Chris Hogan was never going to that kinda of player here. And I would bet that MG has a lower Ypc.
But if these guys go to the Jets or Fins (where MG got cut), do people even care? Every move looks better when you have the greatest qb ever.
You can be pissed and emotional about it all you want.........it's very simple.......the Bills need to start covering their flank.
They've had 3 RFA's signed to offer sheets in the past two years.........KNOW THE VALUE OF YOUR OWN TALENT........ and if Gillislee goes that's two valuable players they could have kept FOR CHEAP that are going to their biggest rival.
Whaley throws 4th round picks around like they are garbage but he's letting MG walk to get the latest 5th round pick in NFL history.
They went to the playoffs in four of the seven seasons preceding Brady and went to the SB once.
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From a Pats writer that's shown a solid bunch of sources.
#Bills were not necessarily comfortable giving Gillislee more than one year deal. Also, were comfortable w/ J. Williams progress. (2/3)
Lastly, the #Bills would have little cap room to work with if they matched offer sheet. Would prefer 5th rd pick at that point. (3/3)
Well I guess all the long term extension stuff was a lie then.
Typical scorned reaction by Bills. They wanted to extend him, he worked them and signed with the enemy........so they didn't want him ANYWAYZ!
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Blount's ypc:
2013: 5.0
2014: 4.4
2015: 4.3
2016: 3.9
And he looked SLOW in the postseason.
Yeah, significant upgrade.
Bills got played pretty good by the agent and the Pats in this deal.
How disappointed is MG going to be if the Bills match?
This Bills/Pats connection with free agents is starting to have a Eugene Parker-like-inevitability feel........the Pat's have found a weakness........Bills players want to win and don't think they can do so in Buffalo......it's become a pipeline.
Not sure fate will shine on the Bills the way it did when Eugene died. Morbid yes, but man were they lucky to be rid of him.
For the people who don't understand why it's just the Pats that pursue the Bills FA's........it's an advantage acquiring players within the division.......hurts and opponent PLUS it shortens/simplifies the transition to a new team.......and that acclimation period is traditionally is a major problem with signing free agents.
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Welcome to Billsville..... where backups are beloved and genuflecting at every doing of the Pats is a perverse defense mechanism to block out years of pain
That's your emotion speaking.
Just like the Bills telling the agent initially that they probably aren't going to match.
Bills need to regain their composure and pay the man........McCoy is just a 200 carry back at best now........he really needs MG to take pressure and carries off of him without missing a beat, do all the short yardage, score the redzone TD's etc..
Without MG and with a very suspect WR corps this offense is at best a little worse.......and at worst A LOT worse.
Plus, McCoy is certainly gone next year so as Coach Tuesday said.......does anyone really want to see the Clown Show go all three-ring again by taking a RB early in the draft?
Yeah, I anticipate them finding another RB in the draft of UDFA this year.......but that guy needs to be the guy to rotate with MG in 2018 when McCoy is gone.
It's a leap to have confidence that they will cover this after the way they handled the WR position last year. Egregious.
Pats sign Gillislee to offer sheet
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Yeah I'm a big college football fan and he was a prominent player.
But I had no idea how great his footwork was and how his play speed would project or that he's be that special in short yardage.
NE is getting themselves a hell of a back for the next couple years.
I wasn't in favor of giving him a long term deal.....so I didn't like that excuse for not tendering him...............now they are saying they didn't want him for more than one year.
Basically losing a TD producer and physical yardage producing beast over a pocket change difference in tender amount.
Total nonsense from this organization.