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You have to be pleased that the best guy on each side of the ball last night was a rookie.
You have to be displeased that the FO is still more interested in penny pinching than in doing everything possible to win.
If you are referring to the backup QB, I totally agree. It never made sense to me that we didn't have at least a below average veteran come in and stay with the team after Kolb went down the second time. Anything would be better than Tuel. I am not sure if the reason is penny pinching, but whatever the reason, it's a bad one.
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We know that answer, same as everyone else here -- trade him for Drew Brees and his entire offensive line.
hah! Exactly, no brainer!!
Watch whats happening in dallas with claiborne, some rumors here about trade with bills,, only rumors at this point, but with byrd sitting when he presumably healty gotta wonder,
That would be awesome. Extremely unlikely, but awesome.
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Last night was a tough loss, no doubt. That game was the Bills for the taking. To instead lose that game, stings, but I can't feel too bad about it. Then I read Sully's article and I actually can't believe it but I tend to agree with him.
This is a team headed in the right direction. It seems to me that every game it looks more and more like we have the right pieces in place to be a good team in this league. EJ continues to improve (hopefully he's learned to step out of bounds now), Woods looks like the real deal, Kiko is playing lights out (that dive over the line was incredible), and while the coaching staff has made some mistakes I think overall they are doing a good job.
I know Bills fans want (and deserve!) playoffs right away, but we have to remember we have rookies all over the place. Realistically, next year was our year for the playoffs before the season began and it's looking no different now. If that happens, I can live with it.
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so because you dont think its the case you will voice out against him? why not wait till the situation plays out and the facts are out to pass judgement?
It's a good point and that's why I always try to end my posts with the disclaimer that if he is injured and cannot play, then I am on his side. It's just difficult to do that on every post and we are discussing this in the hypothetical anyway. You are right, we don't know the extent of his injury. What's known though make the situation stink and makes him look as if he's making excuses because he's upset about the tag.
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as much as some of you dont wanna hear this. its a business and you are too emotionally attached that you feel YOU deserve better and that if a player and team dont agree that the player is personally slighting you. the front office isnt you or your buddies. they are conducting business. and players should do whats best for them weather you like it or not. these players have no emotional attachment to buffalo the way most fans do and thats just the reality of it.
Is the NFL a business? I thought it was a not for profit charity?
I think everyone gets that point. He signed a contract, he's getting paid, he's (assuming) healthy enough to play, so get out there and play.
If he really is injured and can't play, then I am 100% on Byrd's side. I just don't think that is likely the case anymore.
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And he has so far obeyed them. The guy I was replying to said he can't be upset by them. I think regardless of what you think of Byrd, that's a crazy statement. Just like you are welcome to be upset by the laws you deal with.
Let me rephrase. I meant upset as in too upset to suit up and play.
I would love it this week if the injury report said.
Gilmore - OUT, Wrist
Carrington - OUT, Quadriceps
Byrd - Doubtful, Hurt Feelings
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Honestly I don't see how anyone could back Byrd here.
Here's the disclaimer, if he's legitimately hurt and can't play, he shouldn't. That increasingly seems NOT to be the case.
No one knows what the Bills offered Byrd. By some of the rationale on this board, Byrd should just get his demands and if not, sit. What if he was demanding 11m a year?
I wanted them to sign Byrd to a long term deal also. But maybe they just don't value the free safety position that way. Maybe they think Byrd isn't worth top 3 money over 5 years. Maybe they want to see how he does in the new Defense before committing that money to a free safety. Maybe Byrd's demands were totally unreasonable.
Bottom line is the franchise tag is there for a reason and agreed to by players and teams. Sucks if it gets used on you, but honor your agreement like a gentleman and play. Or don't sign the franchise tender. But dont collect 7m for sitting on your arse.
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I don't recall byrds big push for unionization.
I suppose he could've avoided this by becoming an employee at his local best western instead of an nfl athlete though.
What do you propose byrds other options were as an aspiring nfl talent?
Actually, for the sake of not having a PPP style debate on unions lets just let it be. I think the cliff notes on each side are out there, people can take them and feel how they want about unions/membership. No reason for a debate here.
I'm not advocating for or against unions. I'm just making the point that there is a governing document in place and this, for better or worse, is part of the agreement. So Byrd, if healthy enough, needs to buck up and play.
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Great, so we established that there is a difference. On to the next matter.
99% of the players who voted couldn't care less about the tag, it will never be used on them. So if an overwhelming majority cast their vote on an issue which doesn't effect them, the effected have no right to be upset at the outcome? Why don't you ponder that a moment while I issue a referendum on whether or not you should be allowed to breathe oxygen. I'm sure you'll respect the outcome either way.
Then don't unionize. Can't have it both ways. Can't be part of the union and agree to the terms then b*tch about it when it's not as good for you, individually.
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Voluntary and involuntary are not difficult concepts.
He's part of the players union, no? He's agreed to have the players union negotiate the collective bargaining agreement, correct? Part of the agreement that all the players voted on and agreed to is the franchise tag, right? If so, then he can't get upset when it's used on him and he's getting 7 million bucks to play for 17 weeks.
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Are you really asking what is the difference between a forced 1 year deal and having one year remaining on a 5 year contract?
I'm not asking because the answer is basically no difference. Other than he was probably making triple his 2012 salary in 2013.
Look. If players don't want the franchise tag in play, then don't cave into the league when it's time to negotiate. I don't blame the bills at all for using it. It's a valuable tool for teams and smart teams use it.
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So you think he's only healthy enough to play at 100%?
Hah. Well played
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I read the whole post, pointed out the problem with your post
What's the issue? I'm saying the same thing. The 100% is Ridiculous. He shouldn't play if he can't play. A 100% threshold is absurd.
Got it. We are in total agreement
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Few posts ahead of ya bud!
Uhhh, he said 100%, not when he is "healthy enough" to play. He's sandbagging it. It's really easy to see, but people want to turn a blind eye.
You didn't read my whole post did you? I wasn't quoting Byrd, was saying that if he can play, he should.
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The bottom line is, if Byrd is legitimately hurt then he should definitely rest and wait until he's healthy enough to play. I gave him the benefit of the doubt the first few weeks of this saga. Increasingly it appears he's essentially "holding out" while getting paid. That's a direct violation of the collective bargaining agreement and he should not collect a dime (if that is the case).
And spare me the its a business BS. Byrd is making a ton of money and agreed to work under the conditions outlined in the labor agreement. You can't pick and choose what provisions you like and what you don't. If he got injured, that would be terrible. But if (or any player) isn't making preparations for life after football the day they get to their first training camp, then that's their fault. I have no sympathy for someone starting off life in the real world with millions in the bank.
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Was he playing under the franchise tag last year? No? Ok, then. In that case the answer to your question resides in the post you just responded to.
What's the difference. They are both one year deals and at the conclusion he's got a bigger deal coming. No difference at all.
The only difference between a player in the final year of his deal and getting franchised is that in the latter, the player feels disrespected. Disrespected despite the fact that their own labor union agreed to this provision in the collective bargaining agreement. In other words, get on the field.
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I was positive that based on the subject title that microscope wrote this.
Something like "while everyone's full of sunshine and rainbows....we have a franchise safety faking an injury, our backup QB is still an undrafted rookie, Goodwin is probably out for the season and Gilmore had a setback in therapy.
+1 haha..couldn't have said it better
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I would check out a poster named Microscopes analysis of EJ. He's got that on lockdown.
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I don't understand how anyone could give EJs ENTIRE game performance anything less than a B+.
Any other critique of his is just way off. The kid was good most of the game and great at the end. Everything has to be measured in the context of the fact that he's a rookie playing in his second game.
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JP Fitzgerald's on the corner of Clark and McKinley is also great. Ask for Billy Finnerty, great bartender and great guy.
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Sorry man, as you can tell I'm one pissed off fan!
I liked what I saw from Manuel. His TD passes were the best passes I've seen from a Bills QB in many years (nice tight spirals). Even though the score on the board was very close, I felt the Pats made a lot of mistakes that they normally don't make (many dropped balls, missed routes, etc...). I keep thinking back to when the Bills got beaten badly by the Pats and Seahawks last year. I do see that there is some improvement from last season, but I think the Bills could have gotten blown out of the water on defense as well if the Pats receivers didn't drop the amount of passes that they did.
Cool. I think that's maybe where I disagree. To be sure, the Pats are not as stacked as they have been in the past. Part of the Pats sputtering might have been due to wholesale personnel changes to the receiving core in the offseason. I think most objective fans would also attribute a lot of that disruption to how much better the Bills played on defense. We were in the backfield disrupting Brady, A LOT. Certainly a lot more than I can ever remember. Many of those catches Edelman and Amendola made were perfect throws into extremely tight coverage.
Brady has always been one of the toughest guys to sack. He's got an uncanny ability to get rid of the ball early, even if he just throws it away.
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First off, the Pats just weren't just without their #1 TE, Gronkowski, but also without their #2 WR, Dobson: http://profootballta...-dobson-to-out/ I already stated that neither Byrd or Gilmore play the slot, which is where Brady makes his bread & butter against the Bills (doing the dink & dunk). Both the Bills and Pats run an up-tempo offense, so there is going to be a ton of plays on both sides. I will admit the Bills defense yesterday was an improvement over last years defense against the Jets opening day, but they still have a lot of holes on the team. Seeing multiple runs up the middle for long yards IS a BIG concern. The bottom line is the Bills still lost the game. It's one thing if the defensive pressure led to more sacks, tipped balls, interceptions, etc... but the only interception was a case of butterfingers by the Pats TE. The fumble by the Pats RB was a fluke, but heads up play by Searcy to locate the ball and run it back for a TD.
After 13 years of missing the playoffs, I'm done drinking the kool-aid. Question for ya...when the Bills got destroyed 56-10 at the Ralph in prime time back in 2007, were you at the game, or did you drive up from out of state, and pay money to watch that pathetic showing?!
Why don't you read through all the pages before commenting...
And who won the game? What's Brady's record against the Bills? How many rushing yards did the Bills give up?
Jerry, I guess maybe the reason people seem frustrated with your comments is because it's hard to understand what the point is (not trying for that to sound snide). Everyone understands the Pats won and are arguably the better team right now. I think most people would also agree that this team still has areas where they need to improve (not really sure there is a team out there that doesn't need to improve).
The main difference I see and maybe this is the point of your posts, I think most people can objectively look at the game yesterday and feel pretty good about two things.
1) This is a much different Bills team than we've seen in a long time. Manuel looked good, especially considering it was his first NFL game. The defense played a LOT better than we have in a while. They looked aggressive, made plays, and in many instances were more physical than the Pats.
2) The Pats are not the team that has dominated the Bills for the last decade. They lack elite playmakers and the defense is definitely beatable. The reason why the Pats won is because frankly Brady is still Brady, the didn't shoot themselves in the foot with untimely penalties, and they made clutch plays on third down.
There's a big difference between blind optimism and real optimism. I think for the first time in many years that I feel genuinely optimistic about the future.
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:thumbsup: I agree. Some people on here are acting like "Yay, we got close to sacking Brady!!! We hit Brady after he threw the ball (even though the pass was still completed for a first down), we're getting better!!!"I can tell you're one of those that are acting like ""Yay, we got close to sacking Brady!!! We hit Brady after he threw the ball (even though the pass was still completed for a first down), we're getting better!!!" I'm sure you're taking yesterday's game as a moral victory since we only lost by 2 points compared to the first time we played the Pats last year and got destroyed 52-28.
Wooks wike wuttle Jerry from Duxbury got a hold of his mommy's AOL password again.
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The Bills played a depleted Patriots team and still lost, how's that for positivity?! Imagine if Gronkowski & Hernandez played today, the Bills would have been blown out of the water.
What injury does Hernandez have? How long is he out for? Hopefully he's not a beast next game.
Wait...he's in jail for murder and not on the team??
Btw - the bills were missing their two best players in the defensive backfield. Lets not play the injury what if game.
It was a good showing except for penalties and turnovers. Headed in the right direction.
Woke up this morning, feeling a little better
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It's just a different feel. We've been in every game, closed out two, lost three. I just don't see us getting creamed like we did in the past. Physically we are matching up much better (maybe with the exception of the Jets game). IMHO, we play the rest of the year like this and it's a success. Finish somewhere between 7-9 and 9-7 and I will take that as a good year and a team moving in the right direction.
Then we have another draft next year similar to what this past one is looking like and all of a sudden we are a force to contend with and have a solid, young core.
As much as we'd like to see them turn it around in a snap, it's not realistic. Teams that have done it have done it under much different circumstances.
Colts - Lucked into an incredible draft and made the playoffs despite being outscored that year.
Seahawks - had a very good team with the exception of QB. Brought in a guy that fit their scheme well and it's looking good.
Skins - smoke and mirrors, they look terrible now