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I'm not about to defend this organization, however, a player's mental toughness is something that is going to be difficult for a new coaching staff to evaluate. There have been plenty of reclamation projects in the NFL, where new coaches have worked with a discarded player and revived their careers. Not surprised that Chan thought it could work with Edwards, especially after his strong preseason. But Trent's lack of mental toughness was something that Chan couldn't see first hand until the bullets started flying.
I think you made the right observation.
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I believe that Lynch listed as a 'starter' may only be a ploy to divert NE's attention away from the true starter, Fred Jackson.
Jackson had 140 total yards against NE in week one 2009 and followed up with another
110 total yards later in the year. Fred has been very successful against the Pats and I can't see why he wouldn't get the bulk of touches this week.
Granted, being named the 'starter' means you play the firt offensive down, however I believe Fred Jackson will be the workhorse this week.
If Lynch starts and wears down the defense I can see Fred coming in the second half with a fresh set of legs, a ton of carries and really having his way with the NE defense.
Just my thoughts.
I think they are insane not to use Spiller for many touches per game....any and every game. I don't care if he is averaging 1.1 YPC, he is the guy who with just a sliver of daylight can take it to the house on any play. The more touches he gets, the greated the possibilities for 6 points on any given play !
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This is why our line sucks. We don't have CRAP. The only guys that may be something are Levitre and Wood. They are decent but people are playing them up like they are future hall of famers. Hopefully they get better and even come close to the hype surrounding them. Hangarter is a mediocre journeyman at center. In combination with him and Trent they couldn't get the protections called right on the line and defenses have been blowing up our run game AND our QBs. The tackles are low budget flyers. One who may never be anything and one who never was.
I disagree to a certain extent with the 1st part of your post which I reprinted here. Yeah, I agree with you on Levitre and Wood, but IMO Hangarter, who you call a mediocre journeyman, is at the very least adequate, while Bell is progressing...and the word is progressing because you MUST take into consideration his inexperience, and that only leaves the RT position.
If I'm Coach I stick anyone else at RT and let him develope while our current bust gets a seat on the bench.
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I see it differently. I think Edwards showed the best physical skill set and sufficient game management during preseason that Gailey felt he could coach him up and gave him the benefit of the doubt that his poor game-day performance last year was the result of poor coaching or schemes. I think after the first game, Gailey and the coaches sat down with Edwards and watched film and marked out what had to change. 2nd game, Gailey went off and watched film and saw no improvement or even regression, and said "OK, the poor game management/decisions don't make up for the better physical skill set, NEXT!" I think Edwards is completely bemused by the 3-4 defense and, if he has any duties on calling the OL protections, may even be contributing to confusion on the line.
I don't think it smells of panic. I think it is calculated and was one of the options planned in from the start.
Just my opinion and worth whatever you like.
Good post. Pretty much what I say.
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I thought it was a very well written.
(2) "They watched the game films. What compelled them to hand Edwards the job after he had failed miserably twice in the last two seasons? Edwards looked the part in practice and preseason, but jobs are won and lost in real games." How can one debate this statement. Then he goes on to talk about how the players rallied around Fitz last year. I can only assume Gailey's ego led him to believe he could make TE a solid NFL QB. His ego blinded him from looking at the facts. The fact is most of us knew TE didn't have it despite his preseason successs. Now, he yanks him after two games and some fans here are praising him for that. Amazing...
(5) Sully writes "Gailey anointed C.J. Spiller as his featured back." Then he benches him for ML. Also. he hardly uses him in the Miami game. IMHO, it appears that Gailey doesn't know how to utilize three backs effectively or better yet maybe having 3 staring RB is problematic. Either way or disagree with me, it is hard to understand what the hell Gailey is doing with CJ after two games.
(6) Lastly, he says "the guy had six months to coach 'em up and get the offense fixed. Sure did. I remember reading how this was going to happen. I remember all those delusional posts. In fact, I was even starting to believe them. It only took me two games to what up back to reality. Sully goes on to say "instead, it seems like he's making things up as he goes along." Sure does and nothing is more evident by the starting and benching of TE after two games. So much for the confidence factor...
I just copied your statements which I either take the most issue with, or the one(1)which I agree with.
(2) Gailey apparently figured that Trent has more of an upside than Fitz, and Brohm is not yet ready. He gave them all somewhat of a shot early (granted Edwards more than the others) Edwards looked good in training camp and pre-season and thus was annointed the starter. He obviously sucked in 2 starts and to Gaily's credit it didn't take him long to pull the plug.
(5) I agree with you on Gailey's misuse of RB's. I don't know your opinion exactly but if it were me I'd FIND a trade for SOMEBODY, and share carries with Spiller and the one who is left.
(6) 6 months ain't doo doo in the NFL until you get in real live game situations and have to then evaluate what you have and what you need to do....as Gailey is doing now! Heck, I don't know if what he will do will eventually work out or not, but the shambles that this team is in will take at least until mid season to figure out if he and the Bills are are the right course.
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Because he has proven that he can play, compete, and win in the NFL. Brohm has proven he can't even excel in pre season or TC or mini camp.
And, contrary to the wishes of many on here, we're trying to win this year. We'll worry about next year in the off season. In the meantime, there are league games to play.
Gotta keep in mind, dog, that Brohm played exclusively with the reserves, and the backup receivers somehow had a serious case of the dropsies whenever Brohm hit 'em in the hands....not to mention the fact that it seemed that he had about 1.1 seconds to throw every time he dropped back.
He has the most potential of the 3 QB's on the roster and should be given a shot with the first teamers. He has the quickest release and most accuracy of the 3 QB's.
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CL nails it. CJ is getting paid huge money but Gailey is buying into some fans BS that he shouldn't have 20+ carries a game. Well that is BS, Feed him the ball over and over and over and let the cards fall where they may.
Couldn't agree more, Darth....why else draft a guy so high, to use him every now and then?
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Did you ever think that just maybe Chan needed a game or 2 under his best to see what the "O" could do in real live game conditions? Yeah, his game plan didn't work and now he knows a few things about his team that he didn't know before, plus how other teams will plan on stopping us.
Now let's just calm down a bit and see if he can spot ways to get around these problems. I'm thinking that the WR's and the RB's are much better than they were given a chance to show last week, so let's see if a little better game planning/management can turn it around some.
By the way, the 2nd half Defense looked pretty good....something to build on I'm thinking!!
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I have been saying this since training camp - Brian Brohm should be getting a chance here. IF YOU ASK, HOW CAN OFFENSES RAN BY TWO TOTALLY DIFFERENT COACHES LOOK SO TERRIBLY SIMILAR? My answer - Trent Edwards!
Trent is shell shocked! As soon as he senses pressure he runs and his first impulse is always to dump it off. He looks down his recievers, and he almost always looks for a receiver who is standing still.
HOW LONG WILL THIS TEAM ALLOW ONE GUY TO RUIN THEIR COLLECTIVE EFFORTS?
Our defense looked pretty good. Sure, our O-line didn't, but as I've said previously, Brohm has a quick backstep away from the snap, has a quick release, a very fast throw, and he is decisive. After the first drive after the half I thought we'd see Fitz in there. I just can't believe Gailey and Co. will allow one QB to ruin their season. I think this performace validates what most of us think - Edwards is ruined. He's damaged mentally.
The only question that remains is, How long will the fans support this team with him at the helm? Shouldn't we get a chance, before next year, to see what Brohm can do? I mean, we already know who Fitz is. Let's see what Brohm has. I really believe if we would have put Brohm in there at the end of the third quarter we'd of rallied.
I totally agree with you, my friend. After a pretty good pre-season Trent reverted to his previous ways and went to his checkdown mode....which it was pretty obvious that the "D" was looking for.
Fitz had a good pre-season also, but now I have to feel that in the regular season he'll also revert to his "can't hit a barn from the inside" ways.
Go with Brohm, who it's pretty obvious at this point in time at least has the biggest upside. What do we have to lose by trying him? Tell me that, will you!!
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This is junk! Green is terrible, Bell played well IMO, it was Meridith that gave up that sack not Bell, Bell was in and out the whole game. Edwards had plenty of time by NFL standards to throw the ball today, and he made terrible decisions and held the ball bringing back the ghost of Losman. Edwards was the problem people, four out of five Olinemen played passable.
I agree; he stood there, stood there, and stood there, then rolled out and threw an incompletion.....all day. Bring in Fitz or Brohm. I personally like Brohm who seems to make the quickest decisions in the pocket of the three QBs.
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What do I know....but IMHO if Nelson comes in with his head and body in shape we have another extremely fast and dangerous receiver to add to our already somewhat fast and dangerous stable. Consider the following players on the field at the same time for a minute:
Evans with sub 4.4 speed
Parrish whose 40 is fast but his quickness is off the charts
Spiller...let's put him on a pass route for now. Duh, just who is going to cover him? Huh? Answer: Nobody!
Nelson, a TE who runs the 40 in the 4.5's
And just for the fun of it let's throw a 6'5 1/2", 2nd WR out there with those guys.
Assuming the OL holds up for a couple of seconds, ain't no DB's gonna cover those guys for long.
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I've been thinking/saying the same thing about the OL for some time now. Just compare it to last year at this time: 3 of the 5 were rookies (I know Bell technically wasn't, but since he had never played an NFL snap...same thing), so it's pretty obvious that you have a normal high degree of progression there from rookie year to 2nd year VET status. The RT was in total disarray because of Butler's retirement, and no matter how bad people think Green is, he is a vet who is a step up from last year.
All in all this OL is vastly improved from last year, and that, my friends, is a given!
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If Sun Tzu makes anyone feel better about the upcoming season then I'm OK with that, but no amout of ancient wisdom changes the fact that the Bills lack talent in a great number of places as our personnel decisions over the past decade have been terrible. I am constantly amazed at what Bills fans will draw upon to give them hope before the season starts.Don't get me wrong - I'm not criticizing anyone for getting pumped up, but when your best hope is that we have some sort of genius plan of deception based on ancient philosophy you might just be bitterly disappointed when the season actually starts.
I have to disagree to a point about your statement about lack of talent. The way I see it the only dangerous areas of "possible" lack of talent could be the 2 OLBs, and MAYBE our number 2 WR....I say maybe because the book is still out on those young guys who, IMO, with Evans and Roscoe as the true threats, are just in there with their main objectives to move the chains every now and then and occupy a DB in coverage.
Getting back to the "D", I see no major problem with the DL or the DBs or the 2 MLB's, it's the 2 OLB's that have to hold their own for this "D" to be....ready for this?...better than average.
IF the "D" is pretty decent I'm thinking that the Offense, given steady health all year, could be a major surprise to the league and score some serious points.
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I had a half asleep, half awake "dream" last night at about 3 AM and the Bills beat Miami by 45-17, obviously shocking the NFL world. If I'm not mistaken Evans had 2 TDs, one on a trademark long one, Spiller had 2 TDs, one on a kickoff return, and Parrish had one.
Nice "dream"; hope it pans out, but actually I'm previously on record with the same score that I saw today that Jimbo predicted; 27-17.
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No rivalry? I live in South Florida and recently called a local air conditioning co. The repair guy shows up in a van with Dolphins stuff all over it, and on the roof was "billssuck.com", with Bills logo with a red circle and line thru it.
It was ninety in may house and I still told him I didn't need his service.
Great post, my man. I laughed my arse off when I read it!
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I believe that Gailey and Edwards made a decision to play nothing but base defenses in the preseason in order to evaluate players and keep the blitz packages under wraps. It's the same thing most teams do.
On Sunday you'll see a defense that looks quite different from what you saw in the preseason. I don't know if it will look and perform better but I gaurantee you'll see things you didn't see when the games didn't count.
Now in three or four weeks if we're still moaning about a lack of pass rush, then it will be time to start getting concerned. But right now we haven't seen the real defensive scheme on the field yet.
That's what is being said and obviously that's what we're hoping, RI.
You know that in just trying to evaluate our players, I see the DL guys are at least avg, maybe a shade better; the DB's are way better than avg, maybe even top 5 or so, and that leaves the LB's.
When you think about it, Poz & Davis in the middle are more than adequate. Davis is good and the only knock against Poz has been a marginal one concerning MAYBE he lacks good speed for a MLB, but that knock is now negated by going to the 3-4.
To me the only concern is the 2 OLB's. Hopefully with the talent that we have there if they are used properly at the right time, situation, etc, the lack of top line talent there won't hurt too much. They're not that darned awful!
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They mean as much as power rankings at any other point in the season.
Yeah...right. Duh!
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It all depends on the OL. If it holds up we score enough points to win a close game; maybe like 27-24. If not, well, we have problems. I'm banking on it holding up, along with some good game planning by the staff, and predicting the above score.
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Depends...Moats probably has some potential so if there was room I'd keep him...if not waivers and hopefully practice squad....I have to believe Brohm is probably gone unless they can get a trade for Fitz...I live in Mount Juliet, TN where Levi is from and my brother in law here knows the famiily well....they feel from talking to him that the brass is high on him and I interpret that to mean they won't risk waivers/PS..
Cuts will be tough..my point to the OP was to not get worked up over losing this game...we came out healthy and I for one am very happy about the how the pre-season wnet..exceeded my expectations especially on offense..
Go Bills!
I don't know about Brohm, but it'll be sad if he's cut. Instead of 7 for 15 with a pick, he should have been at least 10 or 11 for 15 and no pick, and that's with no protection at all from the OL. As for me, I chance putting Brownie on the practice squad and carrying the 3 vets on the active roster. Edwards is def the 1, Fitz earned 2, and to unload Brohm, IMO the guy with the most potential of the 3 is crazy.
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the o-line was a shambles last year, that was the main reason he looked so bad, it has been good this year, so thats the reason he looks good, hopofully the game has slowed down for him now that he has seen it for a while,we shall see. Let's hope for the best, since we've had to deal with the rest for the last 10 years, either we have patience or we become patients.
And add to the above that barring injuries the OL will improve!
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I'm not sure i'm sold yet that he should be are number 2 receiver. Don't get me wrong i like the guy and think he has a lot of upside but i just haven't seen him do much this preseason to warrant that.I think Chad Jackson has shown him up thus far in preseason and i wouldn't be suprised if Chad Jackson runs with the first team sometime this preseason.Anybody else thinking the same thing? GO BILLS.
Take the guy with the most immediate potential and let him go for it.....at this point looks like Jackson to me.
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What's your point? After his rookie year Favre was traded for a 1st round pick and played well enough in his 2nd season to take over the starting job in Green Bay. After his rookie year Brohm was waived, GB couldn't even trade him for a 7th round pick & he played poorly(the exact opposite of Favre's 2nd season) in the one game he was allowed to start. In fact, he played so bad that the coach at the time, Perry Fewell, couldn't wait to get Fitzpatrick back out there for the next game.
You guys making comparisons between Brohm and Favre, arguably the greatest QB in the history of the game, are brain dead. Gimme a break, fellas, the guy is just trying to get started.....not compete with a hall of famer.
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Yea...."aweful" isn't a word. And believe me, there is no QB in the NFL that would have succeeded on any team Trent has been the starting QB for. The problem has been an utter lack of talent. No talent on the line, no talent at WR. Now I know you will say "Oh but he has Lee Evans." Please refer to my above comment about no talent at WR.
I'm not saying Trent is a good QB. I'm simply saying we certainly have not seen him play to full potential, and also that Joe Montana would look pretty terrible surrounded by this Bills team. And don't expect it to be pretty this year. It's always the darkest right before the sun rises, and this season should prove that out.
I believe Chan Gailey can and will do a good job, and that our draft was solid and I do like their apparent philosophy. But it looks pretty hopeless for the Bills this year and probably next year as well. After that - who knows. Will we fans allow Chan time to get his system fully implemented? Probably not. So really while I think Chan was a good hire, it will probably lead to rebuilding for 2-3 years while being mired in mediocrity if not down right horrible football, fans growing impatient because the system isn't working, Chan being fired, and the process starting all over again as we attempt to switch back to a base 4-3 defense (should be about fully phased back in by then). Oh yea - and then Ralph Wilson dies and the Bills become the Los Angeles Terminators. Pretty much sums up how I feel about the state of the franchise.
Go back to S. Georgia and use your crying towel there. Don't bother us here with it....please!!
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In my opinion all three QB's are finally going to get the proper coaching/ attention they need to develop and flourish properly in the NFL.
Brohm, Edwards and Fitzpatrick under Chan Gailey will all three gain confidence/ knowledge that they will be able to carry with them into the future and myself personally, I think its a win/win/win situation.
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I Billieve...
Good analysis....But I'm thinking that Brohm has more upside than the others and if Gailey judges that he had the right football stability, then he's the guy the go with 'cause he's the guy who can get better than the others.
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I wish they would do it right away....no one can be worse than Green!!!