TheKing
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How many SB's victories, does Parcells have, I think that the answer is two, and if it weren't for, heaven forbid,
wide right, he would have only one, what makes him an expert? He is way overrated.
There is no question that parcell's is an expert.
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Flutie was/is a winner, JP is not.
Very true.
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i wish him well in the CFL.
I think that's more his pace, he'll never make it in the NFL.
I'd be suprised to see an NFL team sign Losman to begin with.
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Parcells didn't like him.
See, the Tuna is usually very good at assessing players, especially free agents in the pros.
The Bills should have hired him.
He rubs a lot of people the wrong way but he know his stuff.
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The thing I get out of the Losman tradeup is that Blow missed a chance at picking up Demarcus Ware with the pick we shot over to Dallas. The pick we shot over to New England for Bledsoe I think they either Wolfork or Ty Warren. We missed with the 4th pick on Mike Williams. A team like the bills who refuse to spend to the cap & has limited resources can not miss on 1st rnd picks. I do not know who is responsible for Losman being a bust & I really do not care. The fact is he is a bust & the bills missed out on getting a good player.
One of the main reasons for the bills lack of success this decade is their lack of success in drafting players in the 1st round. If you look back at the last 8 drafts(since donahoe was hired):
2001 : Nate Clements - Not with the team anymore
2002 : Mike Williams - Not with the team anymore
2003 : Drew Bledsoe - trade away the pick. Bledsoe is no longer with the team
2004 : Lee Evans/Jp Losman : Evans was a solid pick, could of had Tommie Harris though(perfect cover 2 DT). Losman has been a bust, will no longer be with the team after this year
2005 : Traded pick for Losman - He will no longer be on the team after this season
2006 : Donte Whitner : seems like a decent pick, maybe a bit high for #8 but that is for another argument
2007 : Lynch : book is still out on him. Will need to produce more if he is to see a 2nd contract with the bills
2008 : Mckelvin ; To early to make a judgement on this pick.
So from 01-05 our first round picks are no longer on the team(or Losman's case will be gone after this year). Only Evans will still be with the club. 1 out 5 guys from those drafts. Not very good.
Nate Clements was a real good player.
There was also a DT picked in the same year with whitner. He's done so little that I can't bring his name to mind.
He's still with the Bills , they tried to trade him.
He's another disaster, just like Losman.
Judging from that record the Bills might be better off with a ploicy of trading out of the 1st round.
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Getting back to the original poster's question about what was said at the time... I remember all of this stuff like it was yesterday.
First the history of why the Bills selected Losman.
The team was coming off a very disappointing 6-10 season, a year after having gone 8-8 and having revamped the defense with acquisitions like Takeo and Adams. Despite the poor record, the defense played very well, and Travis Henry had a pretty good year too. The primary blame, then, fell on the shoulders of Bledsoe, whose skills were clearly declining and Gilbride, who had just gone out the door with Gregg. Mularkey was the new coach, Pittsburgh's former offensive coordinator who had cleaned up after Gilbride once before in Pittsburgh and was credited with having turned Tommy Maddox's career around. Repaying long time debts, Mularkey hired Sam Wyche as the new QB coach. With Bledsoe's days numbered, the team agreed that they needed to find an heir apparent, and one of Wyche's first tasks was to scout the young guys coming out of college.
Wyche attended Eli Manning's workout in New Orleans. After Eli was done and most of the scouts left, Wyche hung around for JP's much less pulicized workout. Wyche came away believing that JP had had the better workout that day. He felt that JP's arm was stronger and he was more athletic than Manning.
Heading into the draft, the QB that the team had ranked as their #1 QB was Roethlisberger. They knew that the Steelers had their sights set on him and tried to trade up ahead of the #11 spot to get him. With Big Ben gone, the Bils stayed pat at #13 and drafted Lee Evans. They had a borderline 1sr round/2nd round grade on JP, but knew that he would be gone before the 2nd round, since their intel led them to believe that both the Packers and the Rams, who were picking in the mid 20's were considering drafting him. They also saw a significant drop-off between JP and their next ranked QB. Moreover, Donahoe and Modrak looked ahead to the next year's draft, and they were not convinced that there was a 1st-round quality QB coming out in 2005 that would be ranked as highly as JP was at THAT time. Thus, they made the move to come up out of the 2nd round to draft JP. The addition of the new 1st round pick (from Dallas) cost them their 2004 2nd and 5th rounders as well as their 2005 1st rounder.
What was said at the time.
Kiper had Losman ranked as an early 2nd round pick. He saw the move by the Bills to be a slight reach, but he understood the reasoning, so he was not highly critical. He agreed with the assessment that, from a physical standpoint, JP ranked right up there with Manning/Rivers/Big Ben. However, questions about his leadership, maturity and ability to read a defense dropped his grade. Mort's focus was more on the fact that, by making the trade with the Bills, Dallas had lost out on the best running back in the draft, Steven Jackson. And RB was a great position of need for the Cowboys, who wound up taking Julius Jones with the Bills' 2nd round pick.
Jaws LOVED the pick. He predicted that Losman would be a much better pro than Rivers. He showed clips of JP's ability to throw the deep out, which he said was the hardest pass to throw in the NFL. He agreed that JP would be entering the league behind the other three in terms of his development but felt that he had the advantage of having Wyche, who had groomed Montana and Esiasen, as a QB coach. Hodge didn't like the pick because he felt that JP was too erratic.
Meanwhile, Mike Mayock was probably the most prophetic of all. He said that JP was probably the most naturally gifted QB in the draft. He predicted that there would be plays where he would do something that would make you say "Wow!" then he would turn around and do something that would make you shake your head. His success would depend upon how much a team would be able to live with his mistakes. He also reckoned that his situation may not be too bad if he had 2 or 3 years to sit behind Bledsoe.
And our friend Jerry Sullivan? Well, he was in his full anti-Drew mode at that time. In his last article leading up to the draft, he DEMANDED that the Bills do whatever they had to do to secure drafting a top flight QB. Then after the draft, he criticized them for giving up too much to move up for what he thought was a fringe QB like Losman. In hind-sight he was right about their giving up too much, but the Bills had no shot at Manning/Rivers/Big Ben.
Thank you, great post,
Looks to me like Hodge and Sullivan nailed it.
Followed by Mayock and Kiper.
Kiper was 100% on when he questioned his ability to read defenses
I'm suprised Jaws was that far off the mark.
On the Bills part their scouts and coaches obviously missed the mark.
Wyche of course sounds like the main culprit and Modrak seemed clueless.
My suspicion is that Donahoe didn't do his own assessment and went on their advice, bad move, it cost him his job, and rightfully so.
Is Modrak still with the Bills?
I hope not, he should have been fired.
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Yea,look at Edwards,Must be our coaches.Didn't some HOF coach tell us to pick him?He not getting any better under our coaches we have know.
Those aren't my words, I think Edwards ia playing horrible right now.
And I do not think it's the coaching.
I could be a head injury or it could be just bad play , period.
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You are obviously very young. I will tell you what my father told me when I was a boy: Keep your eyes & ears open & your mouth shut & you may learn something. I think you would do yourself a favor by reading more & posting less.
Your father was absolutely correct in telling you to keep your mouth shut.
He should still be telling you that today.
When you begin to gain some intelligence then open that trap.
In the meantime i'll take the place of your father for a second and tell you two things, keep that hole of yours shut and develop some manhood.
Stop swooning over JP ,I'm sure your father wouldn't be too pleased, I know mine wouldn't, if you are going to swoon at all ,swoon over women.
Your father will be relieved to see it.
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Flutie was/is a winner, JP is not.
I don't see amy similarities there either.
If anything losman reminds me of rob johnson.
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As I watched the Monday Night Debacle 2.0, I held in my arms my new son, just three weeks old. As 3-week olds are prone to doing, my son spent most of the game screaming in frantic misery. My wife woke up from her much-needed nap and asked how everything was going. Without really thinking, I said, "I just realized that the only thing worse than watching my team get their a$$es handed to them for the millionth time, is watching them get their a$$es handed to them with a screaming human 12 inches from my face."
At that moment I realized I really wasn't joking. I could literally feel my blood pressure rising with the combination of my screaming baby and my sucking Bills. I made a promise to myself at that moment, that if the Bills lost to the Browns, and especially if they lost in typically heartbreaking fashion, I would do something to relieve the stress that the Bills add to my life.
So, starting this weekend, I am going to record the Bills games, and only watch the games if we win. If somehow we make it to the playoffs, I will return to live-action viewing.
Part of me feels lame, like I've leapt from the bandwagon to the land of fair weather, wondering if I'm a traitor. But the rest of me feels relieved, and I'm looking forward to the first Sunday of a regular season in which I won't plan my life around the Bills game. Because, hey... life is frustrating enough as it is. My entertainment shouldn't be stressful too.
Here's hoping, wistfully, that I will join you all in watching us in the first round of the playoffs. Go Bills!
I hate to say that your reasons for watching are out of balance or even off balance.
I think you should just stop watching it altogether.
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With that record what he deserves is an unceremonious exit.
He robbed the Bills.
Actually he robbed the fans.
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You might be thinking of 2002, before reality set in.
You must be right on that.
I just knew he had one good year here.
I don't think Losman even came close to matching it.
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Ok, maybe I'm a little too attached. I don't care. I like it. My question is, if you don't care why are you here?
I like seeing people's opinions and talking or debating opinions .
But I don't live and die with it like some people.
Lets face it to some people it's like a religion.
For example, there was someone from another teams forum saying how miserable we must feel after the game moday.
But for me the game ended and it's over with the minute the game ended.
I don't feel bad.
I discuss what happened but I don't get down over it.
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i think so?
He was way off the mark.
It looks like he got lucky that the Bills drafted Losman instead.
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Brain Dead Drew had very little to do with that 2004 run, other than to kill it against the Steelers 3rd-stringers. They may not have improved the next year, but at least the main cancer was gone.
I thought they were averaging like 30 points a game for something like the first half of the year.
Bledsoe must have been part of that.
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And you're not one of "these people"? You're up at 1 in the morning on a Bills message board having a discussion about the history of what people said when our backup QB was drafted. If you're not one of "these people" like me, then you're just pathetic.
You seem to have some sort of issues.
You have to keep in mind that football is just a sport.
Don't get so emotionally attached.
These players don't even know your name.
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I hoping we could get some good quotes from the 'experts' and expose some of them and identify the ones that knew what they were talking about.
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And you're not one of "these people"? You're up at 1 in the morning on a Bills message board having a discussion about the history of what people said when our backup QB was drafted. If you're not one of "these people" like me, then you're just pathetic.
But I havent really been a lifetime Bills fan, I followed the sabres more.
I dont really think that I could be like a long-term mainstay.
I get bored with things after a time.
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I have to hand it to JP... the one good thing he did here was give the Bills an excuse to run Bledsoe out of town.
But they really didnt improve.
Bledsoe, if I recall had the team on a good roll when he had peerless price and eric molds.
I think they were leading the league in scoring for a while there.
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Lawyer Milloy, no.
Yes that was him.
Some people think that they decided to break his leg because they didnt like his attitude.
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Yes. I recall him being quite unhappy each time he was replaced.
Yeah when he left for dallas he said something about burning his kid's Bills jeraeys.
I guess I can't fault him.
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"This is my team!"
Hey i have to hand it to him if he said that.
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Why don't you research this stuff yourself? What Jim Kelly thought of Losman is completely irrelevant and nongermane to Losman's performance as a Bill. But again, if you really must know, look it up. There's a whole internet out there.
I don't research it because we have the resource right here.
These people live Bills 24/7
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Yes. I recall him being quite unhappy each time he was replaced.
Do you believe that Bledsoe had that player break losman's leg intentionally?
I can't remember the players name.
The both played for the patriots at one time.
Trent blames coaches for his play
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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The gameplans shouldn't be tailored so specific.
There has never been a guarantee on what you will see on defense.
Both Edwards and the coaches should be able to adjust.
He needs to have some plays he can audble to, I don't see him do that much.
He needs some experience still, so they need to keep him in there.