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I guess the best way to see this is to pull up a few sites and see who you would actually take before Stevie. A few guys the other night said its all about the STATS. If thats the case, here are a few links...go down the list and honestly ask yourself "would you really take Stevie over this guy".....most, if not all have him in the mid 20's...have a hard time disagreeing. 75 Catches, 1000 yards....19 players in 2011 ranked above him in yards...19 in TD's and 15 in receptions....he is fine...a little above a possession receiver...a low end #1 waiting in the wings for the true #1 to arrive to take the back seat (that is if you all want to see the playoffs)
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/eric_mack/12/16/fantasy-football-watch-list/index.html
http://www.fftoolbox.com/football/2012/fantasy-football-keeper-rankings.cfm?pos=WR
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well you just agreed with me then, and didnt refute any of my other points i noticed, I said on 20 teams SJ would be the clear number 2, then you named 11 where he would be the clear #1, but you also had to pick the teams with the worst WR corps, which doesnt mean stevies a "true" #1, it just means hed be the number one by default on the teams with SH*^%y receivers.
and lets all stop pretending the term "true 1" doesnt exist. If it didnt, we wouldnt be having this argument. A "true 1" means a top talent guy that would flourish with any system and any QB. it means hes a combination of 1.hands 2.size and 3.speed and also being clutch and savy. Stevie has the savy and a little of the size part. Hes not fast and definitly not clutch, his hands are suspect too. who can even argue that isnt the cold hard truth?
what spectacular catches? this is the part the stats really dont tell, SJ has good stats but i never see SJ "go up and get it" or flat out burn people. I see alot of slants and crosses, possession type stuff. hes also great after the catch but I have yet to see him make some "spectacular catches" which is why Ive never been sold on him as a top level guy. I think hes making a living off being a highly unorthodox route runner and being strong enough to shed some tackles that raise his YPC. I dont see him doing the things other top WR do. Say going over the top of 2 defenders, blowing past the defense, or making toe tipping catches in the back of the endzone, to me thats "spectacular"
Finally some people that see the light. I dont think that anyone does not admit that Stevie is a decent player. Plays above average but definately not the best since Andre Reed...not even close. Moulds blows Stevie out of the water. Actually, if you pull up a list of the top WR's in the league Stevie is ranked between 22 and 28...and if you go down that list with a clear, unbiased, mind you may even place him the same being Buffalo Bills fans. I actually think this goes WAY deeper than STEVIE JOHNSON...this goes to where Buffalo Fans need to stop overvaluing the players on the team and be honest with reality. Buffalo has filled a ton of holes and still has a bunch to fill. Just because Stevie has had 2 seasons with 1000 yards does not mean he is the answer at WR. He is limited in so many ways. A guy like MERRIMAN that is defended on this board has not made a difference in 5 or so seasons still is considered an ALL PRO player. He has done nothing for the Bills. The key here is to be honest in what the Bills have and where they need to improve. Stevie will be a fantastic #2 or to be fair a fantastic #1B....they need that #1 GO TO guy still....just as they need a QB that is capable of winning a Superbowl...A TE that produces consistantly up and down the field...LB's that can stop the run...etc...
I believe most have pride in the players that the Bills have but you cannot let that pride blind you vs. reality and the quality that other teams produce. You defend a player that has cost the Bills through drop and penalties more games that he has won for the Bills. Tough to gage what games he has won, but he has cost them 2.
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You seem to have put in a lot of thought to what it means to "own" a player. I suppose it's a pretty relative term considering the competition that Revis has consistently shut down. I don't know what it means to "own" a player, but I think we can agree he's played very well against the best CB in the league. And for that, he should be applauded.
I will hold the applause for the 2012 season and the hope he does not drop the game winning pass after being wide open. He has done well against him and lets hope that continues. I usually don't applaud individuals when the Bills as a team lost a game...and especially individuals that played a major hand in the loss. Put a winning product on the field after 11 long seasons and I will applaud.
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Stevie has shown he has great hands. What he struggles with sometimes is lack of concentration. When he's wide open he loses his concentration and thinks too much, but when he's forced to react and make the tough catch, he almost always makes it. He just needs to fix that problem.
What he does against Revis is Revis and Johnson. Their battle is one on one. And YES. Stevie HAS OWNED Revis Island. Just because they lost those games doesn't mean it was because of Stevie. Stevie's job is to get open consistently against the best CB in the league and he's shown he is capable of doing so. So where does this have anything to do with the Bills losing? The Bills losing was a TEAM loss. Lindell was just as much responsible as anyone else.
8 REC for 75 yards (1 TD) in the first game and 3 for 85 yards in the second game (both losses) is how we as Bills fans define OWNING a player? Seem like pretty average days for a WR to me. At least he had 8 REC but that YPC is not impressive at all. OWNING a player, to me at least, is throwing up numbers such as 5 REC 125 yards and 2 TD's...that is OWNING a player. Stevie had 2 decent games which he should have as a #1 WR. Just because Revis didnt shut him out does not mean he was OWNED...I am not defending REVIS but more so explaining what I feel a more logical definition of what OWNING a player means
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Stevie is a good player. He brings some positives to the table but some negatives as well. I would not say Stevie has "owned" Revis island due to the fact the Bills lost both of those games. Any stats he put up against Revis really mean sqat if the Bills don't win the game in the end. Furthermore, I believe he had 8 catches for 75 yards. Realize that in the NFL a team will give that up all day long...those are nothing more than timing patterns, most being hooks. I believe it is the big play ability where Stevie lacks a little. Stevie has peaked. What you get from him 70 catches and 1000 yards is about all that you will see out of him for the next 3-5 years. Again, not bad, but also something that if I were the GM I would maybe look to improve on. If you were to become complacent with Stevie being your #1 and surround him with Donald Jone's, David Nelson's etc you will have another year like last year. The best thing for the Bills and the best thing for Stevie is to bring in a large, fast WR with a bunch of upside. Exactly what Atlanta did with Julio Jones last year. When bringing in a talent he may be #2 to Stevie for the first year, maybe even the 2nd year but a WR with the potential such as Floyd or Blackmon, you are truly drafting them with the thought of them being the #1 shortly down the line.
Please dont take offense to this as we are all entitled to our own opinions. I will say that a true #1 receiver does not cost their team games either through stupid penalties and dropped passes. Both can be corrected (at least the penalties) as it is time for Stevie to mature a little more and be the leader FULL TIME that he has shown or at least talked about. I would rank Stevie behind players such as Andre Reed, James Lofton, Lee Evans and Eric Moulds and slightly ahead of Peerless Price
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Just think...that Orakbo in the background should be in the Red, White and Royal....
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Nice signing I think....they definitely PAID him well....4 years 28 Million, 8 Guaranteed
Along the same lines as Wimbly
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How can you justify paying Jackson 10 mil or so a year for a WR that is 29 years old, never had over 70 Receptions in a season and has only been over 1000 yards 3 times in his career? He is about to be 30 years old. This would be a terrible deal for Buffalo in that San Diego had Phillip Rivers throwing to Jackson throughout his career, we have Fitz. I believe 10 million a year could be spent better between 2 or 3 younger players (including a WR).
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I'm not saying Chand doesn't value the position. I just don't think it is a high priority,
Agreed. Clark is 33 and from what I read he looked terrible on the field last year. He dropped a bunch of passes (maybe because of injury) and missed a ton of blocks. With Chandler resigned and an aging Clark I would pass and try to draft another TE.
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at this point I hope they take a long hard look at FLYNN from Green Bay....use that Draft Pick on "Best Player Available"
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I don't think it's asking too much to get your math straight.
5 years ago Merriman made All Pro.
4 years ago Merriman made All Pro.
He had killer stats in each year.
3 years ago he went on IR with a torn knee ligament and, as a testament to his dedication, came back early to be ready for '09.
Yes, the last few seasons have seen him go on IR and it probably wasn't a good idea for him to forgo his achilles surgery last year but then most of us don't have the luxury of hindsight like so many around here.
At 27 he's still got a lot of football left IF he stays healthy. Not saying it isn't a big IF, but why not wait and see instead of making the pronouncement now? And if you really are willing to wait and see as you state, then you don't think we should cut him now, right?
GO BILLS!!!
You are truly and idiot and a problem when it comes to accepting the state of the Bills...Do what math genius??? Take a look and recalculate your delusional math. Also, in 2009 he was also only able to play in 14 games....hmmm...4 sacks in 14 games...still ahead of the pace he was on track for this year. You are an idiot.
2011 Buffalo Bills 5 5 9 7 2 1.0 -- 0 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0
2010 Buffalo Bills 0 0 0 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 0.0 -- -- --
2010 San Diego Chargers 3 1 6 5 1 0.0 -- 0 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0
2009 San Diego Chargers 14 14 36 26 10 4.0 -- 0 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0
2008 San Diego Chargers 1 1 2 1 1 0.0 -- 0 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0
2007 San Diego Chargers 15 15 68 54 14 12.5 -- 4 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 2
2006 San Diego Chargers 12 12 62 48 14 17.0 -- 7 1 10 10.0 10 0 4
2005 San Diego Chargers 15 10 57 43 14 10.0 -- 4 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 2
TOTAL 240 184 56 44.5 0 15 1 10 -- 10 0 8
Maybe he's secretly hoping that Merriman gets cut, gets picked up by the Jets or Ravens, dominates, and gives us something new to complain about.
Trust me, not worried in the least. He wont be picked up by an NFL team period. You guys think that he is superhuman or something...he is a broke down NFL player at age 27...WOW...get that through your head.
Do you think that SD would have gotten rid of him after his crappy 2009 and crappy injury plagued beginning of 2010 (which he lasted 7 minutes in a Bills Uni) if they were not concerned?
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Lol...you "Vets" amaze me...you realize that we are in 2011...2006 and 2007 were quite a few years and injuries back.
Yes he is 27 years old...he has also been on the IR for the past 5 years...he made it 15 minutes into his first practice as a Bill and about 70 plays into a season over 5 games...WAKE UP
You are correct though...will wait and see.
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Merriman on the Wall of Fame....maybe 2016 as some project he will win the comeback player of the year after spending 4 out of the last 5 years (3 in a row) on the IR...
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Great point. It doesnt matter if he is too injured to produce on the field, when the opposing OC sees Merriman's name in the lineup, they gameplan around that. When they see Batten/Carrington/etc, they go right at them.
If a broke down LB is the only thing that we have on the D for other teams to gameplan around then they Bills are still YEARS away from competing in a 16 game season. So Sad that Merriman is who many of you cling onto for HOPE.
Since Merriman's career is over in the NFL due to injury most likely caused by massive amounts of ROIDS...its time to start shooting up another player to replace his preseason heroics and 1 sack over 5 games. My vote is for MORRISON. He was supposed to be some good LB that was "holding out for the right team" (translation - no other team wanted him)....
WOW with this Merriman crap....
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Looking ahead to week 17. Do the Pats beat the Bills down in week 17 because of the Bills win earlier in the year....even if they have clinched Home Field Advantage?
I can seem the doing it the Patriots way...No Mercy and setting like 9 Offensive records in the process....then quotes like "we were just tuning up for the playoffs"..."it was a good warm up"....
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I tell you watch out for Ocho-Cinco in week 17....It will be like 8 for 190 and 3 TD's.....
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I had started a topic the other day about the 3-4 and 4-3 and what the Bills may be more suited for. I have been thinking about this after reading up on people's responses and I am becoming more and more amazed (not at the posters, but the Bills). Many people have stated that the Bills are closer to the 3-4 vs. the 4-3 with their current roster...the way I look at it is WHO CARES. Either way they stink...either way there are holes to fill.
I see the Bills going down the path of stink defense's for the next 3-5 years running the 3-4 and at some point everyone looking back and saying..."you know for the last 3, 4, 5, years the Bills have really been playing out of position".....We have 2 Very Good players in Williams and Darius...why are they not building the D around their greatest strengths? Putting them both in at DT?
The more and more I think about it, the more and more I am amazed. This is soon to be on par with the Bills drafting Maybin over some other players because they had their minds made up and could not accept the fact that another player (a better player) may fall into their laps.
While I commend the pick of Darius and I believe it was a gift for him to fall to Buffalo...At that immediate second the Bills should be planning to build around him as a franchise player. Please dont tell me "they are, him as a DE"...that would be like saying Detroit drafted Suh as a DE....
The fact of the matter is Gailey has it predetermined in his mind to switch to the 3-4...dangerous path to go down. Just the same as wanting CJ Spiller. Now, Spiller is looking a little better (still goes down to easy), BUT at the time we had Jackson and Lynch and Lynch was FINE sharing the load with Jackson. There were bigger needs there.
THIS IS WHY THE BILLS CONTINUE TO FAIL
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I here what you are saying and it has some merit to it , but think back to the past 4 years just as far as the D is concerned ------ ?????
4 yrs ago our D sucked !! Arron Schobel was out because of his foot ore than he was here & because he was out there was no pass rush !! He comes back the following year still the same Schobel he gets double digit sacks , Byrd goes nuts with INT's (because there is a pass rush) our D is the only thing that year that was half way decent !! Because of that DJ get's let go in steps Perry .
Last year Schobel is unsure of his future holds out , Nix is tired of playing the waiting game & let's him go . Again there is NO pass rush our D is run through like air through a screen door & we are one of the last D units in the league . No INT's , no positive turn over margin what so ever !!
Here's where it get's good . We bring in Merriman the last part of last year & i will agree last year was a waist of money having him here , then they sign him to an extension & a lot of the Bills fans go off saying it was a waist all the way around well all of you that said that are stupid !!
I say that because if you look back on this season when in all facets of the games things were clicking our D (because of the pass rush) meaning the sheer presents of Merriman & even a half healthy Williams our D was stopping teams enough for us to win games . We had INT's (pass rush) we had QB hurries ( pass rush) we had FF .. Merriman goes down for the year our D is still O.K. but lacks PASS RUSH then Williams went out & from those 2 going down i don't care what any one of you say our D was DONE !!!!
Not Edwards (although i would like to see him replaced & think some one named Wanny could be a better D coordinator) but when Merriman comes back next year & makes all of you eat your words i for one will be gloating
& with another pass rusher taken in this years draft with Williams back more healthy than he has been since college , & certain additions & subtractions i think our D is going to be at least in the middle of the league if not higher !! GO BILLS !!!ENOUGH with the Merriman crap. Guy has missed 4 of the last 5 years. HE IS DONE. Merriman is not the savior of the Bills D. He is DONE in the NFL:
1. D Coordinator is done in Buffalo. Even if he has been "OK" he is not on the same level as Gailey. A bigger ego is needed at D coordinator. The Bills need a Lebeau type (funny they had him)
2. Merriman experiment is done. Loved him, routed for him, but at this point he is a liability knowing he is going to get hurt.
3. Buffalo needs to switch back to a 4-3 to utilize their two best players properly. The Defense should be built around your 2 best players. I cannot imagine us in 5 year talking the same stuff on this board saying "back in 2011 or 2012 the Bills really should have built their D around their 2 best players"....DO IT NOW
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I have been saying this (as many people probably have) for many years...but does it not always seem as if a player has their career day against Buffalo? The guy throws for 350 and 4 tds and he really is a marginal QB. The obvious, Reggie Bush last week. I seem to remember David Boston doing it a few years back...
It just seems as if the Bills are always giving it up to a player. Wes Welker earlier this year (at least the Bills won)...
I am not bashing them about losing all of those games. I remember a few years back Ricky Williams in the snow at the Ralph rushed for 200+ with the Fins and lost....but I believe it was a career day
It is unreal...
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FYI - for all you "arm chair" gm's that believe in Merriman...he has hit the IR 4 out of the last 5 years (3 in a row) and played a total of 21 games out of 80 possible....
Good for us though...
Anyone that is still trying to defend this project or says to give it more time is insane or just blinded by all the BS that the Bills provide year in and year out.
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THE BUFFALO BILLS - "Skip church...and follow us straight to Hell"
I still laugh at it
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Ok, maybe I should have worded the post better. A player such as Parrish is not worth bringing back. There is a 100% chance of him getting hurt again and since he was supposed to be such a "huge part of our offense" there are obviously issues when it comes to season preparation within the organization. The EXACT sames goes for Merriman. When a player has had issues 3 years in a row (maybe 4) staying healthy it is NOT a smart move to bring that player back. It DOES NOT MATTER how much you are paying that player. The chances of that player getting healthy, or more importantly, staying healthy are ZERO. Merriman was NOT playing at a high level before he became injury plagued...he unfortunately will not again...ESPECIALLY since he is being watched as he was one of the biggest juice-heads in the league at one point.
I speak the truth. I understand all the BS you all spit out there about being an armchair GM, blah blah blah...fact of the matter is you all have a hard on because it is Shawn Merriman and you all think it is 2006. I understand they dont have anything better, but, a broke down player that will end up on the IR only to be filled with some crap like Morrison does nothing for the team either. HE IS DONE AS A BILL....
Let me predict the future for all of you....
May - 2012 NFL Draft - Buffalo Drafts 5 rounds of sleepers. High character with high potential. The board is a buzzing because we have 5 guys that flew under the radar vs. 5 guys that were there in each position. One is some 6th round white LB from a D1AA that had 5 sacks in some meaningless game and ran a 4.4 at the combine. He is tagged the next hybrid Bryce Paup / Clay Matthews cross.
August - all of the draft picks are playing lights out in camp. Along with Merriman the 5 plays he practices a day and Parrish looks like the Parrish of 2006. The 1st and 2nd round picks are not in camp yet. Bills go 3-1 in the Pre-Season and have installed some comical offense that everyone on this board wants to give a nickname. PLAYOFFS here we come....
Sept - Merriman is on the IR, Parrish is "day to day", we dont see 1 of the 5 draft picks in the first 4 games and Paup-Matthews hybrid was cut to make room for Merriman's backup. Bills cut Fitzpatrick by the 5th game and "The Rebuilding Process" begins
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As already pointed out Merriman is already under contract and the Bills do not have a cap space issue. My question to you is what player's development would he be hindering? Surely no one on the current roster. And don't you think there would be some value having a high first round pick learn a few things from Merriman?
BTW I agree with you on Parrish. He is a veteran minimum player at this point.
I am not disagreeing with the talent that Merriman has/had....the point here is that HE IS GOING TO GET HURT AGAIN. There is no need to waste space, time, energy, money, etc.
If the Bills cut Merriman he, if lucky, would get signed for the veteran minimum and then CUT at first sniff of his next injury.
WOW....
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I have to think that due to the lack of talent at LB and DE the Bills are better fit for a 4-3. I would think with 2 Pro-Bowl type DT's they need to make that switch back and load up on DE's and LB's in the draft.
Also, I believe a 4-3 does not put as much pressure on your corners.
stevie johnson
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that is taking the two years he has played. That is based off of last years Stats...you know, when the Bills had one of the top offenses in the league?