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These still frames of Stevie's catch were brought to YE OLE's attention... what do you guys think?
http://www.thebillsblog.com/2011/10/stevie-johnson-catch-vs-bengals.html
Just as a side note... it should have never come down to this one call. The Bills lost this game on several other levels. It's simply a closer look at this call, that was indeed pivotal in the game.
Thanks for posting this. Looking at frame 2 I can come up with a theory as to how this wrong call was made. It's the prominent pink glove that Clements is wearing which is also on the side of the ball. If you incorrectly assume that the pink glove belongs Stevie it would 1) not be under the ball and 2) the ball would appear to move separately from the pink gloved hand. Stevie's arm, glove and wristband are underneath and in shadow. Not nearly as prominent as neon pink.
Also, I wonder how long after catching the ball, getting to their knees and going to the ground they will allow a defender to try to dislodge the ball. Action by a defender after possession, contact, knee down and body down, should not be rewarded as every condition has been met to end the play.
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1987 was Kelly's 2nd as the Bills' starter. As one of the originators of the 1986/1987 to 2010/2011 comparisons, I think this more evidence that this is a fair one to make. I felt the need to remind some (the young or the pessimistically old) what it looks like when the light comes on and the party starts. Hold on to your seats-it's going to be a wild ride, I hope.
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Honestly, I'm not trying to rub it in to those on the opposite side of the off-season Fitz accuracy debate
(I'm glad we're all on this ride together, it's been a long time coming for all of us), but those discussions
crossed my mind as I looked at Fitz's stats (especially the people who were so sure that Fitz could never
better his, at the time, career 58%).
Sure it's only 3 games so far, but Fitz is completing 64.9% of his passes
(and that's with a bunch of drops too---Jones, Martin, Smith, that I can remember).
Go Fitzaccurate!
He was hit something like 80+ times in his 13 games last year. That's 6 to 7 times per game where he was releasing the ball with a defender one step away or WHILE BEING TACKLED. The o-line has been great so far as I haven't noticed many "throw aways" by Fitz to avoid a sack. Just two throw aways a game would mean about 6% to his completion %.
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Oh great...Tasker.
On a related note, maybe we'll see Gus Johnson here for the Eagles game.
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I am of the opinion that much of his MNF antics were a calculated theatrical display. He knew he was getting a lot of face time on national TV and his constant grimmacing and on-field displays of frustration with his teammates left me thinking he was campaigning for something. Given how his game with the Jets ended and all the criticism that came with it, maybe he was just trying to turn the heat down. I am normally not so cynical so maybe this is the wrong take in this case, as well.
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I posted before the season that the 2010 Bills reminded of 1986's version. In a mood of calculated optimism, I has been pointing out how this 2011 team could be like 1987's. I might be wrong about that but it just may be because they fast forwarded 3 years to 1990.
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He was maybe outside the coaches box when getting the timeout and did not appreciate being told to get back to the sideline. I think some of the reporters mistakenly thought that he needlessly burned a timeout.
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My preference for this has always been "My Town" by the Michael Stanley Band. It sort of belongs to the Cleveland sports franchises but the emotion fits Buffalo just as well and the song rocks. "This town, is my town--allright! Love or hate it-it don't matter, cuz' I'm gonna stand and fight!" An ideal song to send the Bills out to kick us some Boston Belichicks' Butt.
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Here's the opening post from a thread titled "Keep an Open Mind" which I started on November 16th of last year. It's in the archive now but after going back and rereading through it, I was impressed by most all the replies. Whether they were hopeful or skeptical, they were mostly fair and well thought out.
Is Fitzpatrcik the perfect QB for this offense? Maybe I'd say it this way. He may be the IDEAL QB for this team, this Head Coach and this region. He's no prima donna and he has just as much to prove as everyone else.
Lot's of people wanting to say that Ryan Fitzpatrick is or isn't worthy of being the Bills" #1 QB going forward. I cite the following:
1) Quick decisions & quick release = very tough to sack.
2) Stands up in the face of pressure and delivers accurate throws-downfield. I'd like to see the numbers on this but when a pass rusher is coming in unblocked he does not wilt. He's got guts and can take a hit. HE CAN BEAT PRESSURE!!!
3) While he has a few flyers-he very rarely has a misread. Wunderlick score aside, he obviously has a clue.
4) While they haven't won much with him, the losses are looking alot like those they had in 1986, if you catch my point.
5) The offensive line and receivers were supposed to be bottom of barrel. Well they don't look like it with him playing. Raising the level of play of one's teammates is the primary sign of a great player, in my way of thinking.
6) He can make plays in the "other" category. A scramble and a dive for a first down or a key block when a back reverses field. I am waiting for him to closeline a defender after a pick or fumble recovery. I think he'd deliver a blow. He is a football player.
I think the Bills could win 3 or 4 of their last 7 and go into next year looking like an organization that has an idea. Having a smart, tough, quick thinking, gunslinging, humble, team first and calm under pressure QB to lead them isn't so bad.
All this says in my mind that as fans we should let this play out and not let Fitzpatrick's draft round or college team cloud our judgement. Keep an open mind and let his play speak for itself. It's been so long since we have seen consistently productive QB play that it seems many of us have forgotten what it looks like. I think Chan knows it when he sees it.
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I thought I should post it here as well. I saw a crawler on the NFL Network that said the Bills/Raiders would be on NFL Replay on Wednesday evening. It also said Fitz was wired for sound. I'd think it to be worth the effort to watch/DVR. I think we'll see that Fitz doesn't rattle nor point fingers at teammates. Fitz is a leader of men. I also think he was giving extra props to Fred in the post game trying to help him with his contract. Just theorizing.
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i thought there was 1 sack.
Negated by a defensive penalty.
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Not right now anyhow. I want to see how the Ryan Fitzpatrick story ends. I don't think everyone fully appreciates how much fun it would be if Fitzpatrick could lead this team to success. He'd be OUR guy because he got the chance here that no one else was going to give him. Besides, his wife is hotter.
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His earning power was hurt by the unusually long time it took to establish his NFL career. The Bills are under no obligation to redo his contract after only one year into a 4 year deal. They were under not obligation to extend Kelsay like they did either. But...... as a captain and team leader and to back up their "we pay for production" mantra, it would make sense to put some nice bonus incentives into the deal. He has become more important to the team now than he was early in 2010. He knows he will never see a big contract but they should reward his outstanding team play and leadership in a meaningful way.
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While the coaches and players play them one at a time, we as fans don't have to think that way. At least not me. The Bills have a real chance in this game because:
1) The Patriots defense was nothing special last year. Somewhat protected by the strength of their offense and living off takeaways, they can be had as the Dolphins showed once again.
2) Crowd noise. The Ralph has never really rocked like Rich did. It's all because the defense has largely not been able to exploit it. The volume typically elevates on 3rd and long in an effort to create an extra advantage for the defense. When there is no pressure generated and the 3rd gets converted the crowd quickly learns that they can't affect the outcome.
3) The defensive front 7 has been revamped and it is now in a position to exploit the noise advantage.
4) Pressure up the middle is the most important. Make T.B. hold the ball and give him no space to step up. He can look very average when consistently pressured (see XLII.) Williams, Johnson, Dareus, whomever. Let him see the pressure and make him alter his throws because of it.
5) Dan Koppen, their starting center, broke his ankle against the Dolphins. The pressure up the middle approach becomes more viable.
In their second meeting last year, there was nothing more frustrating than watching Brady stand in the pocket without any concern for the pressure. It was a constant 7 on 7 drill. Not that they threw it that much given the short fields and poor run defense. In their first meeting, they really had trouble with Kyle Williams but they made a project out of holding him w/o drawing a flag.
Being 3 and 0 and having just beaten the Patriots would energize the Bills' fan base like nothing else has in the new millenium. The rest of the NFL world couldn't help but notice.
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I prefer Jeff Sagarin's rankings. Last year's had the Bills at something like #24, having played the #1 toughest schedule, and ahead of every NFC West team. Intuitively, seems to get things right. Now, early in the season it somewhat distorted by the preseason rank and the results of a few early games, but it will be unbiased by human intervention fairly quickly.
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Most media types try to fill the role of the objective skeptic. It's how they view their job and it's a safe place to be. I think the Bills' and their locker room have been tough to cover over the last decade and many of the media have resented the way they have been treated. The problem is that giving too much credence to the historical precedents of the last decade encourages one to fail to give any effort to assess what new management has done. Analyze how Buddy is remaking the roster and how Chan and his staff are developing it. As someone that remembers the late 80's very well, it would be fun to see something like that happen again.
As far as looking for evidence, or lack thereof, of professional competence, were people not paying attention when Chan said that he had to "do a better job of getting Lee involved in the offense" and called his route running substandard? Lee has not been a physical WR ever. I remember Chan stating a preference for big, physical WRs because I thought at the time it made Roosevelt's chances of sticking with the team less likely. But Chan seems to appreciate the way he uses what he has. Can you think of a definitive Lee Evans TD where he out fought a defender for the ball or broke multiple tackles? A time where he laid out a defender to spring a long run? Why did he not show up in Arizona to build a better rapport with Fitz? Anyone else find that strange? Lee did not fit the physical WR job description and, i suspect, he knew it. I was not surprised he got traded but only at the timing even though the lockout probably had a lot to do with this. None of this suggests a management team that is incompetent to me.
I have been comparing the Bills 2010 season to the 1986 season. Thus, I have been optimistically calling for 2011 to be like 1987. Most reaction has been of the "Fitzpatrick is no Jim Kelly" order and, while true, the mental exercise need not stop there. But, while Fitz may fall short of Jim's arm and bravado, he has him beat in emotional maturity, ability to handle physical pressure, and gameplan execution. It seems to me he owns the locker room and that he knows how to act to keep it.
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I park in the private lot directly next to Lot I, right by the fieldhouse. Problem is we usually come right down abbott rd past the stadium then take a left onto 20A. I have no idea how to get to that lot any other way, we're always coming from Rochester. Any ideas?
If you come down the 219 (maybe you take 90 to the Milestrip exit?) and take the Orchard Park exit, that it 20A. That is probably a better way to get there than your old Abbot Road route.
I always park in that lot too. I'm not sure if you get off at Milestrip on the 219 or Milestrip on the 90 but at the 90-219 split, take the 219 and get off at the first Orchard Park exit (Big Tree/20A). Make a left off of the offramp and head straight towards the stadium and that lot will be on your right hand side.
What he said.
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What does a multimillionaire nonagenarian need with a few more million dollars that he can't spend? The Ralph is cheap angle doesn't work here. Maybe there are other portions of his estate that are underperforming and Littman and Overdorf are looking out for that interest as well?
For that matter have we even heard from Ralph lately? Did he get to training camp this year and I missed it? Did he give an interview about the new CBA? Release a statement? He certainly didn't go to the league meetings for the vote. I don't think I've heard a word from him since the draft day Dareus visit. Just wondering. I don't sense he is being active with this team at all.
As for the other stuff--here are some plausible explanations. Buddy Nix was not interested in managing the nuts and bolts of running the team. He has Brandon to market the team and Overdorf/Littman to do the contracts and financials and he can rework the roster and scouting department. Buddy and Chan may have agreed to the concept of the trade but I doubt that Buddy wanted to work the phones to find a trading partner. I could also see the Bills being unwilling to trade Lee to certain teams based on their ownership as I suspect Ralph has compiled many hard feelings amongst his fellow owners over the last 50 years. Ralph seems like a scorekeeper to me and, if he was slighted/disrespected by a fellow owner, I could see his attitude being "stick your 3rd round pick, I am not helping out your team." That's the best expalanation I can come up with as to how he could fire the best G.M. he had in 50 years of ownership.
Chan said that he had to do a better job of getting Lee more integrated into the passing game. Translation: there were holes in Lee's game that made him a lesser player in Chan's eyes. Can anyone come up with the definitive Lee Evans TD reception where he broke multiple tackles on his way to the endzone? An end-around play that lead to a long TD run? Lee is a speed receiver with above average hands and probably declining speed. He is not now, nor has he ever been, a physical threat to a defender and he is not comfortable working the middle of the field. He was traded for a 4th rounder, some payroll savings, and a roster spot. I don't think what he offered will be missed, as he really hadn't provided much of it the last two years, even though he was mostly healthy. As fans, we were hoping for his resurgence with Fitz but it was never likely to happen. Maybe that's why Lee avoided the Arizona camp.
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I loved the Hardy pick. Guy caught 36 TDs at Indiana and came into the NFL at 6'5". He was billed as a more physically gifted version of Plaxico Burress. And when he caught that game winner in the back of the end zone against Jacksonville, I thought he was going to do that every Sunday for years to come. The light never went on for him and he just couldn't put it together on the field. He had the talent but his lack of maturity and focus killed his career.
I did too. He was not a 1 year wonder. I also liked his basketball background as I think it teaches a player to gain advantage in tight spaces through their body position relative to the ball and opposition. Think Gates, Gonzalez, Metzelaars, McKellar, etc. I think Naaman Roosevelt is a classic example of how to make this advantage work. As Gailey said "God didn't give him great speed or great size but he maximizes what he does have." I think what he has is a great ability to play the ball in flight, sheild the defender, and catch the ball. Think the Hail Mary catch against Temple for the best example of this. Strangely, Hardy was not very good at this at all.
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Is wide receiver a difficult position to learn? I would tend to think that it is one of the positions where players make an immediate impact without the need for an "apprenticeship."
I remember Bill Polian having to decide between extending Edgerrin James or Reggie Wayne. When he picked Wayne he said it was because it took three years to get a WR fully integrated into the NFL/offense thus making him tougher to replace. Since he was tougher to replace it made him the more valuable to keep. He could draft Addai and get good value as James' replacement.
This might explain why WR trade value is so low as well.
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We need to come up with a nickname for the Bills offense given they are a whole pile of also-rans and never weres. The are basically the "Replacements"
Current Bills Starters/potential starters
QB Fitzpatrick 7th round for St Louis
RB Jackson undrafted
FB McIntyre undrafted
WR Johnson 7th round
WR Parrish 2nd round
WR Nelson undrafted
WR Jones undrafted
TE Chandler 4th round by San Diego, dumped and subsequently dumped by NYG and Dal
LT Bell 7th round
LG Rinehart 3rd round by Washington, dumped and subsequently dumped by NYJ
LG Levitre 2nd round (just demoted to 2nd team)
C Wood 1st round (a real player)
RG Urbik 3rd round by Pitt - dumped
RT Pears undrafted
Rework the list a little, maybe add Roosevelt, Davis and/or maybe Caulcrick and get rid of Woods and Levitre to get the number to 12 names. Then you have "The Dirty Dozen." If you know the premise of the movie, 12 condemned men offered a last chance to redeem themselves on a suicide mission, then it kind of fits their career status. This is the last and/or best chance for most of these guys to be relevant to the NFL.
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If anyone here is old enough to remember the 1988 season, no one saw the Bills getting within one game of the Super Bowl. In fact I vividly recall every publication and TV show picking us for last place. Fact is no one sees the freight train coming until it runs them over. Gailey must be dancing a jig over the Bills being overlooked. We want that. No better place for us to be.
FYI:
PTR
A 4 and 12 season characterized by a new starting QB, a new head coach, with many losses in high scoring games where the offense failed in the clutch and had problems with TO's. Three of the games they did win were of the low scoring , Jauronesque type that we have come to know all too well. They averaged scoring just under 18 points/game and were dead last in the league in turnover differential. This was followed by a defensive heavy draft heading into an NFL season which was to be tainted by an interruption in league operations due to management/labor strife.
Everything here describes both the 2010 and 1986 seasons. Many are inclined to deny the analogy and can't get beyond "Fitzpatrick is no Jim Kelly." It's as if it might casue them brain injury to consider the point.
Remember it well....though I think we had a bit more respect heading into the 88 season than you recall. After the Bennett deal in 10/87 we had collected a load of talent on both sides of the ball and had a shot at the playoffs in December that year. We lost our last two at the end and blew it..... but for the first time in a while we had a 'dog' in the race. With the addition of Thurman in the 88 draft (risks acknowledged) we had a an outstanding young team....and some national attention as I recall. Regardless your point is still valid. We can make a leap this year. Maybe not to 12-4..but we can 'surprise' people.
Bills and Bengals. That is hard to believe. If I remember correctly, a fairly dumb penalty by Derrick Burroughs sealed our fate in that AFC Championship game.
As I recall, he was baited by that punk Chris Collinsworth. I think Bruce got hit with a bogus face mask penalty on Esiason that was actually a grab of his collar which ended up extending a drive that resulted in points. Don't know where to go to confirm the latter.
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Other predictions:
1) He will be the most popular training camp 7th round rookie ever.
2) The Bills will find special situations for him to justify a roster spot much like they did for Jason Peters. He is too big to hide on the practice squad. Anything he does well in a preseason game will stand out on film.
3) His small school, small town roots will endear him to Bills' fandom.
4) His underdog, out-of-nowhere story will play like Roy Hobb's and he may be an NFL version of a Greek myth. As Bill's fans we can only let the story write itself and hope he truly is a nose tackle "Natural."
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I remember a video posted on the UBFan website from UB's Pro Day which was held at the fieldhouse. Jeff Quinn was talking to Chan about Davonte. "Four time 1st team, All Mac, only the 4th ever to do it, etc." Roosevelt was standing there and Chan said with a smile something to the effect of "if you have any more like him, I'd want them on my team." So, it could happen.
Good points by TMQ
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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With this type of football, it should really require a different metric to rate defenses other than yards allowed. I'd look at yards per play, 3rd down conversion rate and QB passer rating allowed.