thewildrabbit

You believe one thing and I believe another,you don't see me calling you names like "dense moron" simply because you can't see the fact that if the Bills start a 250 lb DE this season, teams will run right over him

Gholston didn't make the transition from DE to OLB very well but he was the 6th player taken in the 08 draft. I believe the Jets moved him to DE for time and that didn't work either. Right now the guy is listed as second string behind Bryan Thomas. I only mentioned Gholston because I dislike these undersized DE's and would rather see the Bills get a DE as a FA and not the draft. Dunno about the rest of you fans but I'm fed up with the Bills inability to stop the run,they were 14th overall,13th against the pass and 22 against the run. This season they were better with Marcus Stroud and could get even better with a player like Tyson Jackson,6' 4 1/2 " and 295 lbs, a monster at stopping the run. The old adage,"run and stop the run",force them into passing situations and then have the defense do some actual blitzing! With a healthy Schobel on one side and Jackson on the other the defense would very good at both rushing the passer and stopping the run.

So your suggesting that the Bills draft a 250 lb player and start him as DE this next season,correct? They might contribute alright,on special teams perhaps.He is supposed to magically gain 15-20 lbs of muscle to preform properly by next fall? The Bills suck at stopping the run as it is and you want to put a 250 lb DE on the line,glad you coach nothing. What I'm stating is that any of those 4 DE's listed above will most likely be drafted to play OLB and if not, it may take awhile before they are ready to play DE in the NFL,can the bills afford to wait a year or two for a player to develop? I said: With someone posting they see Maybin in the 230-240 range that would really be a reach for an every down lineman.You want a DE pass rusher,a hands down on the line player and yet you want to draft a 250 lb project? Nobody mentioned anything about you writing about Maybin

Good Point on player weights, but I already knew that looking over some rosters. The Bills and fans want to see a pass rush terror on the field opposite Schobel,they won't find one from this draft,at least not for 09 season. Like I stated eariler....I suppose the Bills could draft one of the DE/OLB listed above and develop them,hows that working for the Jets and Vernon Gholston 6'3'' 264 ? Wasn't Gholston supposed to be a great pass rusher,what happened? Gholston was drafted by the New York Jets sixth overall in the 2008 NFL Draft. Gholston was expected to play outside linebacker in the Jets' 3-4 defense with the Jets citing his speed, strength and “long limbs,” believing they had found the perfect outside pass rusher for their defense. After struggling to adjust to coach Eric Mangini's 3-4 defensive scheme, 6'4'' 258 when drafted Anyway, any young player drafted could add 10-15lbs of muscle and develop into a really good DE. I just don't see any of these DE's being a high priority at the weights listed. With someone posting they see Maybin in the 230-240 range that would really be a reach for an every down lineman.You want a DE pass rusher,a hands down on the line player and yet you want to draft a 250 lb project?

To those who might not know who DHB is,WR Darrius Heyward-Bey Heyward-Bey is an explosive playmaker who can change the momentum of a game on any play. He gets a quick release off the line, runs good routes, flashes reliable hands and is elusive in the open field. He gets separation on the outside and tracks down deep throws with ease. He’s doesn’t shy away from going over the middle and making tough receptions in traffic. - Chris Steuber, Scout.com Draft Projection: 1st - 2nd Round The guy is rated the 30th player overall at scout.com so unless the Bills want to trade back for more picks for this guy... Personally if they want a receiver I'd rather see them take,WR Jeremy Maclin* at #11 providing that the Raiders don't take him earlier, If gone I'd say take WR Percy Harvin** *Ranked #11, Maclin is a dynamic all-around performer who excels in multiple areas on the field. He possesses elite speed and quickness and poses a problem for the opposition when the ball is in his hands. He gets a quick release off the line, runs good routes and flashes reliable hands. He’s a playmaker in the open field after making a reception and can take it to the house on any play. - Chris Steuber, Scout.com Draft Projection: 1st Round **Ranked #20, Harvin is a dynamic game breaker who has tremendous versatility on offense and special teams. He has a quick first step and gets separation from the opposition instantly. He runs solid routes, comes back to the ball and flashes excellent hands. He gets vertical, tracks down deep passes and positions himself against defenders to come away with the ball. - Chris Steuber, Scout.com Draft Projection: 1st Round The Bills really need to find someone who can help in the passing game,another burner opposite Lee Evans would allow one of them to get open with single coverage.

I mentioned it because I've been reading some stating that the bills should take Raji, who is a DT and not a DE which is a need for the Bills.

All the guys on this board clamoring for a DE in this years draft,sorry I just don't see one worthy of #11 unless the Bills want an undersized DE who should be a OLB. I suppose the Bills could draft one of the DE/OLB listed above and develop them,hows that working for the Jets and Vernon Gholston 6'3'' 264 ? Anyway, any young player drafted could add 10-15lbs of muscle and develop into a really good DE. I just don't see any of these DE's being a high priority at the weights listed. Mario Williams was 6' 7" and 295 when drafted and is currently listed at 291lbs so the Idea that pass rushing DE needs to be in the 250-265 pound range doesn't always fly.I suppose it depends if your looking for the next Bruce Smith 6'4" 262 or Reggie White 6'5" 300 lbs. All these players have a 5 star rating from scout.com Maybin 6'3" 250- Orakpo 6'3 1/2" 255 Brown 6'4 1/2" 252 Jackson 6'4 1/2" 295 College: LSU Overall Rank: 19 Position Rank: 4th DE Production 2 Redshirted in 2004. Played in 12 of 13 games in 2005 as a reserve. Took over as a fulltime starter in 2006 (Sophomore), finishing with 37 total tackles, 10 TFL and 8.5 sacks in 13 games. He started all 14 games as a junior in 2007, finishing with 36 total tackles, 3.5 sacks, 10 PBUs and 15 QBHs. Height-Weight-Speed 3 Excellent all-around size. Is tall and well-proportioned. Speed is adequate for such a massive DE prospect but below average for the position Durability 1 Has played in 40 games during his three seasons (2005-'07), including 27 consecutive starts heading into his senior year (2008) Character 2 Needs to show a more consistent motor on the field. However, he does not have any off-the-field incidents to our knowledge and he is considered by the coaches to be one of the core leaders on LSU's football team Defensive End specific Traits Agility/Quickness 3 Moves well for his size and plays very much under control. However, he's not a typical highly-regarded DE prospect with explosive burst. He lacks ideal quick-twitch athlete and loses too much in transition when changing directions Strength/Toughness 2 He flashes a mean streak but would like to see him play with more consistent effort. Otherwise, his game is built around size, strength and power. There are not many DE's coming out of college with his phone booth skills Instincts 2 Displays good overall awareness and recognition skills. Finds the ball quickly and also plays with discipline. Gets his arms up as a pass rusher and bats down more throws than most DE's Pass Rusher 3 Can win some battles with power moves. Shows the ability to drive OT's back into the QB. Has some strong upper-body moves to get an OT off-balance, but lacks closing burst to consistently take advantage. Will never be a threat to turn the corner with pure speed off the edge in the NFL. Will always be a better run-plugger than pass rusher Run Stopper 1 Is an outstanding run defender. Big-bodied DE with a wide base, long arms and big hands. Can stack and shed. Powerful hitter with adequate wrap-up skills in space, especially for such a big D-lineman Trait Scale1 = Exceptional 2 = Above average 3 = Average 4 = Below average 5 = Marginal Scout.com 2007: Teamed with Glenn Dorsey to give LSU one of the most intimidating defensive fronts in college football ... Started all 14 games at left defensive end ... Credited with 36 total tackles, including 4.5 tackles for loss and 3.5 sacks ... Led team with 15 quarterback hurries ... Second on team with 10 pass breakups. Considering the bills are still having problems stopping the run and should have a better pass rush once Schobel is fully healthy. I've read that this player is very high on Bill Parcells list. This would be my guy,I'd trade back and get him, IF I had to have a DE

There are several big names that I keep reading about on this board that people want to draft as DE's. Mike Mayock projects 4/5 of these guys as OLB's:Top 5 Defensive Ends 1, Brian Orakpo (OLB) Rush LB 2, Everette Brown (OLB) Rush LB 3, Tyson Jackson - only true DE 4, Aaron Maybin (OLB) 5, Larry English (OLB) Its worth noting that Mayock compares Larry English to Lamar Woodly of the Steelers. As for drafting a center this year, its my take that it will usually take 2-3 years for an O-linemen fully develop,do the bills have this much time to get better? They should grab a really good FA center if they can. BJ Raji is listed as a defensive tackle and not a DE I wouldn't complain if they go after TE Brandon Pettigrew, WR Percy Harvin, WR Jeremy Maclin or one of those OLB's listed above. Mel Kiper's picks" 1 Detroit Matthew Stafford QB Georgia 2 St. Louis Andre Smith OT Alabama 3 Kansas City Mark Sanchez QB USC 4 Seattle Michael Crabtree WR Texas Tech 5 Cleveland Aaron Curry LB Wake Forest 6 Cincinnati Jason Smith OT Baylor 7 Oakland Jeremy Maclin WR Missouri 8 Jacksonville Eugene Monroe OT Virginia 9 Green Bay Malcolm Jenkins CB Ohio St. 10 San Francisco Aaron Maybin DE/OLB Penn St. 11 Buffalo Brandon Pettigrew TE Oklahoma St. 12 Denver B.J. Raji DT Boston College 13 Washington Brian Orakpo DE Texas 14 New Orleans Vontae Davis CB Illinois 15 Houston Everette Brown DE Florida St. 16 San Diego Knowshon Moreno RB Georgia

Lynch had 47 receptions for 300 yards and two TD's this season,dunno what games you've been watching. One of the biggest reasons the Bills drafted this guy out of Cal is because he is such a good receiving back in the flat. Both he and Fred Jackson are really good at pass catching.

Watching the guy at SB practice, he is big and catches everything thrown even close to him,really good blocker also, which will help in the running game.He would give Edwards some big time help right away,just my opinion. Lets see how he does in the combine workouts and senior bowl though. Brandon Pettigrew | TE Scouts Grade: Insider Only 2008 NCF STATS SCHOOL RECEPTIONS YARDS TOUCHDOWNS Oklahoma State 42 472 0 Height: 6'5 " Weight: 260 lbs College: OKLAHOMA STATE Flag: N/A Overall Rank: 13 Position Rank: 1 Player|NCAA School|Position|Flag |All Ranked Players |NFL Draft History ProfileNewsESPN LocalVideoBlog NetworkGrading Scale Overall Football Traits Production 1 Red-shirted in 2004. Played in 11 games (nine starts) as a freshman in 2005, finishing with 128 yards and one TD on 11 receptions. Started all 13 games as a sophomore in 2006, finishing with 310 yards and four scores on 24 receptions. Started all 13 games as a junior in 2007, finishing with 540 yards (15.4) and four scores on 35 receptions Height-Weight-Speed 3 Possesses prototypical height and bulk for a NFL tight end. He's a good athlete but his straight-line speed is adequate-at-best for the position. Durability 1 Injuries have not been an issue; he has started all 13 games during each of the past two seasons (2006-'07). Character 4 Charged with felony assault and battery of a police officer in February, 2008. Police responded to an altercation at a residence in Stillwater, OK. When asked to leave, Pettigrew refused and elbowed an officer in the chest. Pettigrew has since pleaded guilty to a lesser charge (misdemeanor assault and battery) in return for fines paid and 20 hours of community service. He also pleaded guilty to misdemeanor public intoxication in the incident and was fined $100. He received a deferred sentence and won't have a criminal record if he successfully completes probation. Coach Mike Gundy declined to suspend Pettigrew, saying in February that he would allow the case to run its course. Tight End specific Traits Ball Skills 2 Productive receiver with big, soft hands. He can pluck on the run and also catches the ball consistently over his head. Rarely drops a 'catchable' pass and when he does it typically has been due to a lapse in concentration Separation Skills 3 Big target; knows how to use his frame to shield defenders from the ball. Is fluid and smooth for his size. Shows adequate-to-good initial burst off the line. But he doesn't run all of his routes with the same level of urgency. He is sloppy with his breaks and needs rounds too many off. Shows an overall lack of discipline at times Blocking 1 Better blocker than most at his position. Big frame with long arms and big hands. Good overall strength for a TE. Is able to anchor at the point of attack when he stays low. Displays good upper-body power for the position and flashes a mean streak. Does a good job with his first step. He is a more effective blocker in-line than he is in space, though. He needs to be more consistent with his technique in space, rather than looking to bury the defender with his initial pop Toughness 2 Flashes a mean streak. Will make tough catches in traffic. Won't back down from a challenge. Only concern here is with his mental toughness. He tends to turn his motor on and off when he feels like it. He can get lazy and undisciplined at times Big-Play Potential 4 This is one of the big areas of concern regarding his pro potential. While smooth and fluid for his size, he lacks the speed necessary to consistently stretch the seam as a receiver. Additionally, while he is a tough runner after the catch, he's not going to make many defenders miss in space, nor will he run away from many LB's or DB's in the NFL Trait Scale 1 = Exceptional 2 = Above average 3 = Average 4 = Below average 5 = Marginal

Leonhard's contract is up after strong season Safety waits as Ravens juggle many offseason priorities on 'D' By Ken Murray | ken.murray@baltsun.com January 21, 2009 Change is coming to the Ravens' indomitable defense. Rex Ryan, the architect/coordinator, is already gone. Cornerback Chris McAlister has one foot out the door. Pro Bowl linebackers Ray Lewis and Terrell Suggs are lined up for big paychecks. Then there's play-making safety Jim Leonhard, one of the unsung heroes of that defense, whose future in Baltimore is cloaked in salary cap intrigue. If the Ravens are able to sign Lewis and Suggs, will they have enough money left to reward Leonhard for his stellar season? Or, faced with a lesser offer, might Leonhard bolt for the New York Jets and a reunion with Ryan? After three nondescript years with the Buffalo Bills, Leonhard found a home in the Ravens' secondary this season. When Dawan Landry suffered a spinal cord concussion in September and eventually went on injured reserve, Leonhard became the starting strong safety. He never missed a step, through 16 starts, including three playoff games. As the season wore on, Leonhard proved his worth in more ways than as a safety. He was the team's best punt returner, averaging 11.6 yards, nearly twice that of Yamon Figurs. He returned kickoffs on occasion (averaging 20.4yards). And when the need arose - as it did in the AFC title game, when the Ravens were short on cornerbacks - Leonhard played nickel back, too. Versatile, tough, quick, smart. He made a career-high 85tackles in the regular season and played well in the playoffs (one interception, half a sack, one forced fumble, one fumble recovery and 16tackles). Not a bad resume to take into free agency Feb.27. Leonhard, 26, signed a one-year contract for $520,000 in April after he aced a weekend minicamp tryout with the Ravens. That contract is up, and for the first time in his pro career, he has options. "I had a great season," he said Monday before players scattered across the country. "I was put in position to make plays, and fortunate enough to make a lot of them. I've spoken all season of how I love this system and this defense." Defensive tackle Trevor Pryce calls him "Little Jimmy Leonhard" out of respect for the 5-foot-8 safety with a boyish face. "You like players like that because they don't get a lot of publicity," Pryce said. "But those are always the best ones. Jimmy is a damn good football player. People are just starting to notice now, but we knew that a long time ago." As much as he would like to stay, Leonhard knows there's a chance he might have to go. It's obvious the Ravens' biggest priority on defense will be keeping Lewis and Suggs, and perhaps fellow linebacker Bart Scott. Contracts for Lewis and Suggs, franchise tag or not, will be very expensive. "These guys are tremendous game changers on the team and in the league," Leonhard said. "I don't know what the front office thinks, but in my mind, they're priority guys, and that will determine what happens ... to the rest of the free agents." While the Ravens almost certainly will want to keep Leonhard, paying him may become the issue. They still don't know how soon or how well Landry will come back from his injury. He has yet to be cleared by a doctor for any contact. But they did draft two promising safeties in April in Tom Zbikowski (third round) and Haruki Nakamura (sixth round). In salary cap economics, this gives the Ravens leverage, too. And don't discount the Ryan factor. The departed coordinator likes Leonhard a lot. He wanted the Ravens to sign him out of Wisconsin as an undrafted free agent in 2005. He might get that chance now as coach of the Jets. Leonhard also appreciates the fact that Ryan knew how best to use him. "I would love to play for Rex again," Leonhard said. "Obviously, I have a lot of respect for him, as well as the coaches that are still here. If that opportunity comes up, who knows what will happen? I'm going to enjoy this season for a little bit, then let everything work itself out the next couple months." And if Leonhard hits the free-agent market, how long would it take before he calls Ryan? "Probably not long," he said. Who replaces Ryan as coordinator is another factor in his decision. The Ravens presumably would like to stay in-house for reasons of continuity. "You ask anyone on defense and they'd like it to stay in-house," Leonhard said, "just because we have that bond with them already. But that's not to say there's not somebody else on the outside that's the right person for the job. [The Ravens] have a great track record with coaches, and they'll bring in the right guy. Nobody's worried about that." http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/footbal...story?track=rss

So we can expect RW to offer him....the lowest salary possible

Thanks for the correction, NE does run a 3-4 and the Ravens show a 3-4 on their depth chart,but wasn't that setup that way so they could list Suggs as a linebacker to save money when they franchise him? He does usually line up at the line of scrimmage and it looks like they play a 4-3. Minnesota doesn't run the same style of Tampa 2 that the Bills run what with the Wlliams bros in the middle,those two are the opposite of what the Bills went for in the "faster,smaller,penetrating interior linemen.I prefer the vikings version of the Tampa 2 all I gotta say about the Tampa 2 is... http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2008/...ions_tampa.html Marinelli defends Lions' Tampa Two defense Detroit was dead last in total defense and last against the run and 26th against the pass

In 1992 Bill Cowher took over as head coach of the Steelers and changed the defense from a 4-3 to 3-4 and in 94 they were known as the "Biltzburgh" Steelers because they Blitzed so often. The Pittsburgh 3-4 is so drastically different from a Tampa 2,can anyone name one D lineman on that Steeler defense without looking it up ? I know we can all name the safeties and linebackers because they are making all the plays. That is what stinks about the Tampa 2 is that the front line is usually responsible for getting to the QB and getting all the sacks,hurries and pressure on the QB.So you will need some really great D linemen to get to the QB, otherwise the QB just picks the defense apart.That is why the Bills suck,because the of a smaller, faster penetrating lineman don't actually get to the QB very often and they get pushed around by bigger stronger O lineman,plus they suck against the run. I don't mind the Bills using a 4-3 D,I just can't stand the Tampa 2 and if it were my choice I'd copy the Steelers 3-4 D.I miss Pat Williams on the Bills D,but then he wouldn't fit into that Buffalo Tampax 2 scheme

TJ made the pro bowl and was the leading rusher in the AFC this year,so not shocking to me. What was shocking to me was the fact that Lynch is the best running back in the division but the Bills didn't utilize him very often at the beginning of the season. On a team that would use play action passing more often and were dedicated to running the ball, Lynch would have a 1500+ yard season,barring injury of course. So yea, Lynch is the best beast in the AFC East IMO.

The whole idea of the Tampa 2 scheme is based on speed and quickness to the ball and the fact that it isn't supposed to require "blitzing",hence the reason why they don't send anyone extra after the QB. Coverage assignments: CBs: The CBs play a short zone in the purple zone as above. They do not follow the receivers if they go too deep or too far to the middle. They stay put in their zones. Ss: The safeties cover any WRs that go deep and down field past the zone that is covered by the CBs. LBs: The LBs are crucial. They cover the RBs, the TE and anyone else that comes at them. If it is a running play, they go up and make the tackles. If the TE goes out on a pattern, they cover him as long as he is in their zone. Once he goes too deep or too far to the sidelines, they can leave him. Some defenses will chose to cover the TE man with a LB. Find out what your coach wants to do. Xs: The defensive line attacks the QB. Each X is responsible for a single gap. There responsibility is to go after the QB and tackle the RBs on run plays. Very simple.

IF the Bills really cut him, its ok... Should he go on to have success somewhere else, Bills fans will say he is just a product of their system

Don't you guys ever learn how RW works his magic,he won't hire anyone from outside the org, he will promote from within and save more $$$.

Lets not forget that this is the same team that fired Tony Dungy in the first place,did he lose the players also? The Buc's have basically cleaned the entire staff out and want to start over,its my take that they took a long hard look at Atlanta and what they achieved this season with a new HC and GM and decided they wanted to do the same thing, retool the coaching staff and GM. Time will tell on whether this is a good move or not. To other posters stating Kiffin couldn't stand Gruden is pure idiotic speculation,they worked together for 6 years. If he really didn't like the guy then why work for him for so long? The real reason he left the Buccaneers was because he was going to work for his son, Lane Kiffin at Tenn.It was well know that previous to last season Lane Kiffen wanted to fire Rob Ryan, the Raiders DC, and replace him with his dad Monte Kiffin, Al davis refused to let him do so. I'm also fairly certain that if the Buc's had actually wanted to hire Monte Kiffin as head coach of the Buc's,they would have.

He lost the players because he let the defense go into the tank the last 4 games. The DC didn't care about winning games because he was leaving and should have been replaced as soon as he announced he was leaving.I think the most telling loss was to the inept Raiders,not to mention the 299 yards they gave up ON THE GROUND to the Panthers on Mon night. Gruden was the offensive wizard and it appears he put way to much trust in Monte Kiffin, who really let him and the team down. You honestly think if the Buc's had made the playoffs the owners would listen to the players and still fire him? BTW, the team also fired and replaced the GM, and now Morris has fired most of the remaining staff. Complain all you want about Gruden, the fact remains he is way better then any coach the Bills have had in a great while!

Although the 07 NY Giants finished that SB season at 10-6 and finished this season at 12-4 they clearly didn't have the same momentum going into the playoffs this season. Plaxico Burris might be a bigger reason as to why the NY Giants are not headed to the SB this year then the pass rush or defense. Any style of defense will look great with a really good pass rush,no question. So Michael Strahan and Osi Umenyiora not playing this past season did have a big impact as to why they were not as dominant as last season. Still,they were the # 5 defense overall in the NFL this season. The Bills were # 14 overall and # 21 against the run,that's my beef with the Tampa 2 is the run defense! The Tampa two is partially defined by having smaller,faster penetrating defensive tackles rather then the bigger and heavier run stuffing DT's. Out of the top 7 defenses in the NFL this year only one runs a 3-4 and that's the #1 Steelers,the rest all run a 4-3 and of those NONE run a Tampax 2 defense. #2 Baltimore- #3 Philadelphia- #4 Washington- #5 NY Giants- #6 Minnesota- #7 Tennessee #8 Dallas #9 Tampa Bay #10 New England. Dallas is the only other 3-4 defense besides the Steelers in the top 10 I'll take the Giants and Philly (Jim Johnson) style of defense over the Tampa 2 any day

All things aside do you realize exactly what killed the Buc's season this year? It wasn't Gruden or his facial expressions. It was the fact that with 5 games left in the season his defensive coordinator Monte Kiffin made the announcement that he was leaving Tampa to be the DC for the Tenn Vols working under his son,Lane Kiffin. That was the absolute wrong time to make that announcement, the defense went from being really good to really really bad.That Mon night game against Carolina in week 14 in which that vaunted Kiffin Tampa 2 gave up 299 yards rushing to the Panthers showed me that a lame duck coach is worthless. Gruden should have fired Kiffin right after he made the announcement he was leaving and promoted Morris at that time. Gruden would most likely still be the head coach and the Buc's would have made the playoffs IMO

Per: http://www.rotoworld.com/default.aspx Interesting note that now that Tony Dungy has left Indy, the new head coach wants to dump the Tampa 2. Updating a previous item, Profootballtalk.com reports that the Colts have fired defensive coordinator Ron Meeks. Meeks' defenses were strong against the pass, but never finished higher than 15th against the run and were 20th or lower in five of Meeks' seven years as coordinator. The style of defense Meeks ran, Tampa 2, is falling out of vogue. Meeks received head-coaching interviews the last two offseasons, but was never a serious candidate anywhere. He may spend 2009 out of football. Source: Profootballtalk.com Personally, I can't stand the Bills version of the 2. Don't you wish the Bills would make a similar move and change to a Jim Johnson style of defense that Steve Spagnuolo ran with the NY Giants,you know the one that stopped the Patriots perfect season in the SB.

The concept of owners listening to what the players have to say about a coach is indeed startling. Think of Tom Coughlin and the NY Giants players who complained about how tough his training camps and were, he was almost fired in NY because the players complained so much, then they go on to win a SB. The guy was a tough disciplinarian and the players didn't like it so they bitched and cried to to media. Think of Bill Parcells and how tough and no nonsense he is and then look at his record. There is a reason players want a head coach like Dick Jauron.... Hey,I wouldn't mind getting paid millions while playing for a joke and taking it easy either. When Dick Vermeil took over the St Louis Rams in 1997 the Rams players hated the guy and his extremely tough training camps and practices. All the players complained that the 3 hour practices were too long,so Vermeil condensed the 3 hours into 2 hours and ran the same number of plays in 2 hours instead of 3,which made it tougher on the players The Rams players stopped complaining about Vermeil and his tough,no nonsense tactics when they reached the playoffs and went to the super bowl. Time will tell if the Buc's made the right move,but letting players decide who they want to play for is simply foolish IMHO.

At 90, The only time Wilson doesn't have to pee is when he is already peeing... Seriously, I see a major drop off in season ticket sales for 09,that might be enough to wake Wilson up long enough to make some smart decisions about the coaching staff.