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    Update: Free Agent RB's Hitting the Market

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    4 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

    I don’t understand why
    Being a hero aside, he really didn’t do much for the Chiefs

    He wouldn’t be a 1 here, and I do understand your concerns. 2023 was a down year for sure, but the previous 4 years he averaged 4.3 yards per carry. Not the fastest guy - 4.6 fourty time but he has decent power, shifty, and great vision. I wouldn’t mind him in a split role with Ty. Obviously, we have no say in the matter and there is lots of FA backs this year. 

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    On 2/26/2024 at 3:40 PM, BuffaloBillyG said:

    And the Bills will be linked to every single one. 

     

    IMO, the main one I'm watching is CEH. He's shouldn't command much and may like to reunite with Joe Brady. Would take over the Murray role. Darrynton Evans is under contract again and could be the PS/3rd RB along with a late round rookie.

    I would dig havin CEH as a Bill.

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    Final in depth Salary Cap update by the Cover 1 crew

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    On 2/16/2024 at 9:12 PM, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

     

    Because until he can pass a physical he can't be cut.  So come March 11th or whatever the exact day is, all his bonuses kick in and the Bills are on the hook for that, but they also can't cut him as I stated unless he can a pass a physical which is not likely.  So why would White agree to a pay cut unless he's somehow rewarded? 

     

    The Bills can cut him later on, but by then they would have had to have cut a couple other players to get under the cap in March.  And for White he then got the money from the Bills in March and can then sign later on with another team.

     

    So put all these things together, I'd say White can dictate terms pretty well.

    Paycut not cut…two different things. 

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    19 hours ago, Beck Water said:

     

    Your last sentence is an interesting point.  I go back and forth on this.  On the one hand, in 2021 after Tre was injured, we won 4 games with Levi Wallace and Dane Jackson playing CB and the two we lost (the wind tunnel NE game and the OT loss to Tampa) were arguably more gaps in run D than coverage.  One could make an argument that McD's defense has been able to plug-n-play CBs and not miss a beat (Dane Jackson, Christian Benford, etc). 

    Some people have said that we run a very CB friendly scheme.

     

    But then I have to ask whether having a 2020/early 2021 level Tre White would have made a difference in the 13 second game or in this year's playoff loss to KC where we were starting a hampered Rasul Douglas and Dane Jackson at CB.  L'Jairus Sneed has become a true shutdown corner and McDuffie is also high grade and that clearly made a difference in all KC's playoff games this season and the Championship.  So clearly at some point and against the best teams, the quality of the DBs does make a difference.

     

    To your first point: after an Achilles tear, it's not Tre's mind I'm so worried about.  It's objectively a hard injury to return from.  One study says 57% RTP, with a decrease in performance noted especially for defensive players.  That was 2010 to 2016, so medicine and rehab do improve all the time and hopefully it's better now.  Apparently there are all sorts of objective metrics that decrease (the downward force the athlete can exert to jump or plant or change direction for example.

     

     

    Thanks for the kind words, I'm glad you found it useful.

     

    It would not shock me if the Bills cut Tre because they assess him as not being able to return at a high level.  It would not shock me if they kept him, either.

    I think there's a significant chance of either, and only the people working with Tre on his rehab really know.

    For sure! This one is tough to call 😊

    23 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

     

     

    Never happen.  Players typically take injury settlements when they were placed on IR, but have now fully recovered and can then get money from the team giving them the settlement, and then basically double dip and sign with another team.  In White's case there is effectively no IR list in the off season and he wouldn't be ready to play right now anyway.  For those reasons, can't see the injury settlement coming into play here unless he's still not ready to go in Sept, but was healthy by say November and won't happen till then either.

    Intersting - seems we have fewer options 😢

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    2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

    Tre will be the trickiest decision the organization has to make this spring. You can't ignore what his leadership has meant to this team.  The ACL takes 18 full months of recovery as we saw with Von. Recovery time for a Achilles is 8 months.  The first thing McB has to do is see if Tre is mentally ready to continue.  Beyond that who knows what happens?

    That’s right! Tre had a very difficult time playing after the knee so one has to wonder if his mind will be there to do this? Sometimes many forget how violent this sport is and a few injuries that are extremely painful with tough rehabs can change the player’s calculus. This will definitely be interesting; his leadership and understanding of the complex scheme McD runs will be difficult to replace if need be.

    57 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

     

    This seems to represent a misunderstanding of what an injury settlement is, and how it is used.  An injury settlement is something a team reaches, usually with a young player on a 1 year contract or a multi year contract without much in the way of bonuses or guaranteed money.  Such players often have a "split" in their contract, where they're paid less per game while they're on IR.  So, if that player is on IR and unlikely to be brought back, but thinks they will be healed and ready to play before the season is over, it may be in that player's interest to get cut and try to catch on with another team.  Since the team can't, by CBA, release an injured player, the "injury settlement" is the solution.  The team and the player's rep negotiate the number of weeks the injury is expected to take to heal, the team pays the player for that number of weeks, and the player is released and is free to negotiate with other teams.
     

    There's nothing in Tre White's situation that makes an injury settlement applicable.  He should be considered healed from his actual Achilles rupture and repair.  Whether that allows him to play at a pre-injury level, is a different question, but the Bills can cut him AFAIK.

     

    Tre White has $10.3M in dead cap for the Bills, which represents signing, option, and restructure bonus money already paid to him.  The only circumstance I know of under which teams get any of that money back, is if a player under contract retires - and that, usually only if the player retires before he's played a significant amount after signing the contract, otherwise they file a grievance and apparently often win. 

    The money is currently amortized over 2024 and 2025, the two remaining years on Tre's contract.

     

    He is due $10.4M of new cash, in the form of relatively small workout and roster bonuses, a $1.5M roster bonus due early in the new league year, and $10.5M of cash - none of which is guaranteed.  When you add in his bonuses, that gives him a cap hit of $16.4 M this year.

     

    The Bills can cut him.  They can also re-negotiate the cash he is due, and incentivize to allow him to re-earn it.  Tre might prefer to play for a lesser amount of money here, than to be cut and have to fight for a chance to prove he can return from the Achilles, I don't know.

     

    But that won't be an injury settlement.

     

    That is a really great explanation. I will be the first to admit I am not a numbers guy or dig deep into the weeds of contracts. Thank you for the thorough post to this. Perhaps a better stance would be that it may be unlikely that he plays but I guess we all will find out soon enough. I enjoyed reading your response- thank you 😊 

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    Final in depth Salary Cap update by the Cover 1 crew

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    1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

    I’m trying to figure out why people think Tre’Davious White wouldn’t take a pay cut

     

    Two. Devastating injuries to both of his legs getting on in years.

     

    He seems like a prime candidate for a paycut

    I am beginning to think Tre may fall into the injury settlement category. Back to back season ending injuries with long recovery times may lead to him never playing again in the NFL. 

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    2024 Value Free Agents

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    1 minute ago, khlax3 said:

    You have to bring in at least 1 proven wr. He doesn’t have to be a star but someone you can count on. There is no guarantee whoever you draft is going to be star year 1. Even if they are if diggs goes down your looking at shakir and a rookie. We need more than that

    Good point for sure. I think Hardy will see an increased role and we will see Cook split out more. Oh the offseason lol 😆 

    2024 Value Free Agents

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    17 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

    We need a guy who can stretch the field.  Bourne isn’t that guy

    I agree, however I don’t see any reason why we need to go after a FA WR when this years draft class is very deep. With our big contracts on the books (some bad), I am a fan of grabbin a rook WR that is NFL ready or very close to…

    Another reason to fire McDermott

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    1 hour ago, SCBills said:

     

    If his defense isn't elite, do we talk about how he threw a pick and missed Rashee Rice for the game winning TD?

     

    Because it seems we always need to talk about this with Allen due to the defense vomiting all over themselves in these games, thus everything he does is magnified in a loss. 

    What ifs are just that. Like I said, im not a supporter but in a monster game he won. The QB is the most important position in all of sports. We are now officially in the offseason none of this really matters.

    Another reason to fire McDermott

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    1 hour ago, Ramza86 said:

     

    I think he maybe had two plays that were "good" plays. He didnt do anything that any of the the top QBs in this league couldnt do that whole game.

     

    The guy won and did his thing....but good lord....he was just a qb yesterday. I dont wanna hear about his greatness after that game. 

     

    Guy throws a lolipop bomb where if that safety didnt lose his memory and forgot that he was an NFL safety that gets caught instead of intercepted.

     

     

     

    Opinions vary

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    Another reason to fire McDermott

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    4 hours ago, Einstein said:

    I don’t know how anyone can watch that game last night and come away thinking Mahomes is why they won.

     

    Both TD’s were wide open throws. I actually thought Mahomes looked fairly pedestrian.

     

    Its too bad the 49er defensive player couldn’t hold on to the INT Mahomes threw to him that may have sealed the game in regulation.

    Still passed for over 300 yards, ran for a bunch, and was unflappable. I am not a Mahomes supporter but the guy wins big games and is calm under pressure.

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    Diggs cryptic comments - 2024 edition

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    1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

     

    Not just directed at you, but I get a bit frustrated at people who don't learn the basics about how NFL contracts are structured and how they work with regard to the cap in the case of a trade or cut.  So they say something like this, and other people "like" or agree with them.

     

    There is no way that I know of (and I have tried to learn about this) to decrease Diggs cap hit to the Bills in the case of a trade.

     

    Diggs cap hit this season is $27.9M. 

     

    Of that cap hit, 2/3 is Diggs salary of $18.4M, which is not guaranteed until 5 days into the new league year in March.  The salary would go to the trade partner, although there have been deals where the trading team agrees to pay part of the salary.

     

    BUT the Bills cap hit from Diggs would INCREASE not decrease if Diggs were traded.  This is because teams are allowed to pro-rate or amortize up-front bonus payments over the length of the contract (and even beyond it, by adding on "void years").  This is money Diggs has already been paid up-front, and per the collective bargaining agreement he can not be asked to return any part of it to the Bills, (unless he retires).  It all accelerates into 2024 if he is traded or cut, totalling $31.1M.

     

    The Bills could trade Diggs post-June 1, and divide his cap hit into $8.85M of amortized bonus payments due this year, and $22.25M due next season.  BUT, that would mean the Bills must account for all $27.9 of Digg's cap until after June 1, AND his $18.5M salary would guarantee - so if the trade partner backed out or Diggs didn't pass their physical, the Bills would owe it all.

    https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/stefon-diggs-16872/

    Thanks my friend. I totally get this, and why I said “tall order…”. I believe Diggs is on the Bills roster next year because of exactly what you point out in a much more thorough way. I was too lazy to do all that lol 😂. Enjoy the super bowl too bad its not our Bills.

    Get excited... change is NOW with a youth wave!!!

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    13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

    I have said it multiple times but they are in a MUCH healthier roster place this offseason than last. 

     

    Yes they will lose their safety axis finally. And they need to re-stock the Dline, but the have some rookie contract contributors. This time a year ago the 2022 draft looked like it might be a dud. Instead we have four starters from it and then the first two picks of 2023 look like hits. The Bills needed that. And they need to stack another class like that now.... while finding that elusive receiver at the same time ideally. 

    This receiver crop is deep. Ive been on record saying if Legette is there it is a no brainer.

    3 hours ago, cage said:

     

    Dorian is going to be a good player!  Very fast... he made some mistakes last year at times, but he'll grow and be much improved next season

    Agreed! Williams showed more than adequate at the end of the season. I think he is going to be a stud. The kid can lay the lumber down too!

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