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OK, he needs to work on that.
Don't get me wrong though. He's going to make things interesting. I think the Bills are better on offense with Fitzpatrick behind this line. He has more of an ability to make something out of nothing than Edwards, and that's what is currently needed.
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Some will say no arm strength....
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youtube.com/watch?v=PwlUnoJ3bxo
Some will say,he can't read a defense, not true. Actually this is his best quality
Not big Enough?
Doesn't have a cool name like TIM TEBOW?
Throws to many INT'S, hardly
Runs well, never takes a bad sack, certainly not injury prone......
Ok, so what is it?
He lacks consistency and accuracy.
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Fitz's skill set allows him to function a little better behind this weak line. We'll have a few more big plays but more WTFs too.
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We Could have gotten Michael Vic off the street last year but Oh no the Bills were to pious to take some one of such low character. Now he is doing well just like he always has and we should have taken him when we had the chance.
Whew! Really dodged that bullet!
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I'm looking forward to the Baltimore game, because I'll be there. GO BILLS!
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HA! i just completed another three yard pass. HOW YOU LIKE ME NOW, BOYEEEE? yeah, you think you tough but how tough you gonna be when im twewv of foteen for tirdy-sevum yards?? HUH? CHUMP?? see dis right hmya? dis is MA GUN!!!! ma gun that can complete long passes ONCE EVERY THREE GAMES!!!! yeah dats right you scared
I envisioned him talking trash to the player that just crushed him. Oh so you think you can give me a concussion huh? Well my padded hair helmet gives me extra cushioning! In your face!
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As long as there is something to read about the Bills, I will visit. I couldn't help but laugh when reading your opinion of Edwards from "Bills DON'T squish the fish" good take
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my son is serving in kuwait and it's his birthday. everyone have a beer.
I send my best!
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Bils fans:
If we do win, does it matter? Are we just wanting to win for respect? Do we want this win because we still believe there could be post season play to matter? Are there people who just want to go o'fer the rest of the season to get a good pick?
My take, Green Bay is one of the best teams in the NFL, and most definately in the NFC. A New Orleans and Green Bay NFC championship game in GB would be great! Anyway, what is it we want to win for? Personally, I have this little man complex going on where I see all this negativity about the Bills and I just want respect! If we win I know it won't be much respect, it'll be an oddity. What I want to see in our game is effective time management with Trent being able to the spread field. To see our OL get some time working with a pretty darn good DL (including TE getting some adjustments done right). Lastly, I would like to see us get our special teams together. I do not want need a TD on special teams, I just want productivity. Special teams was our lowpoint Sunday, not TE. Marv always said ST were 1/3 of our game.
It probably only matters to fans. I watch the games because I want them to win. Even if I don't think it will happen I'm always rooting for wins in hopes of getting into the playoffs and eventually the superbowl. Never play for next years draft.
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Yes it only one game, yes other coaches have remained calm-but they had winners! This team needs a kick in tha azz. Please dont you dare compare Gailey to Joe Gibbs and Tom landry..are you SERIOUS! Those coaches didnt need to fire their team up because the players took care of that, ala Jim Kelly. We have no Jim Kelly's, we need somebody to light a fire and if the players wont do it the coach has to.
You guys crack me up comparing Chan to Hall of Famers.
I don't think it was a comparison in ability as much as it was an example of calm demeanor coaches who have been successful.
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Smart post, although after reading people's posts on this board it can't be true, it is all Trent Edward's fault.
Unfortunately the QB is the one who throws it down field, and that's what needs to happen if you don't want 11 defensive players within 5 yards of the LOS. The line was definitely bad last week, but even on plays when he was given the time he needed Edwards didn't take advantage. Yes he did have that pass to Roscoe, but on several occasions when there were 3 or 4 man rushes and no pressure, the ball was out to the 3-4yd route instead of letting the deeper routes develop. Other times he abandoned the pocket despite the protection still being sound. Maybe that has to do with how much he trusts the line to not get him killed?
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That certainly was... something...
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Very good article. Thanks for posting it!
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I think the answer is we just need to commit to taking more shots down field 15 to 50 yards in the air. At least 10 times a game to spread the defense out.
On a number of plays last week there was more than enough time for the big ball to be thrown. It just wasn't for whatever reason. On the deep ball to Lee that was thrown (and missed), the ball was out at about 2.5s. It's not like he needs a monstrous amount of time to let that ball go. There was also the 31yd pass to Nelson that was called back on a holding penalty. I think the play calls are there we just need a guy to let it loose and take a chance!
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So I have been thinking about this since the game sunday. The offense is in a catch-22 position. We need to have the offense focus on our great running backs. But, we can't have full use our stable of backs because the opposing defense stacks the line of scrimmage with 8 guys. So in order to allow our backs space, we need to spread the defense by having our QB complete mid and long range passes. But Gailey's offense is built around short range passes to running backs and recievers in order to create space. This is done because the line has trouble giving the QB time, and the QB has trouble looking down field. However, the recievers & backs can't create in space because there are 8 guys on the line of scrimmage and the field shrinks. The Buffalo Catch-22.
It'd be nice if we had a tight end that could stretch the field down the seam. I think that would free up those 5-8 yards past the line so our quick receivers can catch the ball and make something happen.
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Don't blame it all on the QB and Line. Although they didn't play up to par but the play calling by Gaily sucked also. I thought we were suppose to be a run first team and the first three plays of the game were passes. I would have been more happy if we ran three times and were out instead of pass. The team is young and inexperienced and probably a little jittery, I just wish they would have ran more. Also on a 3rd and 2 inside your own 15 and you run a play out of the shotgun with an empty backfield. Sorry play call. Take your chances and run off guard or something. JMO.
There were definitely untimely penalties as well. In one drive there was a first down holding penalty on a good run by Freddy. Two plays later another holding penalty negating a 31 yard pass to Nelson. It turned into a 3rd and 30 situation. That kind of stuff just kills momentum.
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QUARTER 3
FROM MIA 48
1-10 Lynch and McIntyre in the backfield, Edwards to Evans incomplete, Edwards flushed out at 4.5s, throw at 6s on the run, just out of reach of Evans, off the fingertips - Edwards had Johnson and Evans open most of the play
2-10 Shotgun, Spiller in backfield, Run by Spiller -4 yds, 6 in the box, Draw where Spiller got hit as he got the ball, the DE on Bell just ran past, Bell barely pushed him and the push was towards Spiller
3-14 Shotgun, Spiller in backfield, Edwards run for 8yds, 4 man rush, Trent rolls out to the right at 2s, blocking was good until the rollout when he removed himself from his protection
FROM MIA 49
1-10 Shotgun, Spiller and Jackson backfield, Edwards to Jackson -1yd, Fake pitch to Spiller going left, Jackson goes to the flats on the right, Edwards dumps off over a blitzing CB, the LB who had coverage on Jackson made the tackle
2-11 Spiller and McIntyre in backfield, McIntyre motions left outside of Stupar, Edwards deep (~40yds) to Evans incomplete, ball out at 2.5s, 4 man rush no pressure, pass was a little long although Evans arm was held, Evans briefly complained to the ref
3-11 Shotgun, Jackson in the backfield, Edwards to Jackson 1yd, ball out at 2s, CB blitz wasn't picked up 3 others rushing, caught about 3yds behind LOS
FROM BUF 35
1-10 Lynch and McIntyre in backfield, Edwards to Evans 7ds, 5 man rush, ball out at 2.5s, Meridith (in for Bell) gets rushed upfield then beaten on an inside move
2-3 Wildcat, Jackson for the snap, Lynch in the backfield, Jackson run 7yds, 7 in the box, fake pitch to Lynch, the line made a small hole, Evans was supposed to make a block on the safety
1-10 Wildcat, Jackson for the snap, Lynch in the backfield, Jackson run 6yds, PENALTY HOLDING McIntyre
1-20 Shotgun, Lynch in backfield, Roscoe motions right, Edwards to Nelson incomplete, should have been an interception it was just dropped, 4 man rush, Lynch comes across the formation and cuts a DE (so our 5 lineman block the 3 others), ball was out at 2.5s, the DE was recovering in front of Edwards just as he threw
2-20 Shotgun, Lynch in backfield, Edwards to Nelson 31yds, PENALTY HOLDING Levitre
2-30 Spiller and McIntyre in the backfield, Spiller motions out right, Edwards throws it away, 4 man rush, pressure at 3s (actually came when Levitre moved to double the DE with Meredith and pushed the DE upfield of Meredith), throw away at 5.5s, Stupar and McIntyre both stayed in to block
3-30 Shotgun, Jackson in the backfield, Edwards to Nelson incomplete, originally ruled an interception but overturned by challenge, 4 man rush, ball out at 2s, no pressure, through Nelsons hands on his 4yd crossing route
FROM BUF 29
1-10 Spiller and McIntyre in backfield, Spiller run -1yd, Stupar gets beat on the right, the LB runs down the line forcing Spiller left, Safety comes up for the tackle, the hole was there if not for the LB, there was some dancing when he probably could have cut up for a no gain
END OF THIRD
Quarter 4
2-11 Shotgun, Spiller in backfield, Edwards to Spiller -3yds, ball out at 2s, no pressure, bobbled by Spiller and the defense closed quick
3-14 Shotgun, Jackson and McIntyre in backfield, 4 man rush with a 1 man delayed blitz, pressure at 3s, the delayed blitz from the right was poorly picked up by Jackson, the blitz flushed Edwards backwards
FROM BUF 20 - NO HUDDLE DRIVE
1-10 Shotgun, empty backfield, Edwards to Nelson 9yds, 4 man rush, ball out at 2s, no pressure
2-1 Shotgun, Spiller in backfield, Edwards to Evans 16yds, 4 man rush, ball out at 3s, no pressure
1-10 Shotgun, empty backfield, Edwards to Johnson 13yds, 4 man rush, ball out at 3s, no pressure
1-10 Shotgun, empty backfield, Edwards to Parrish 4yds, 4 man rush, ball out at 2s, no pressure but Green may have gotten away with a hold tackling his guy
TIMEOUT MIAMI
2-6 Shotgun, Spiller in backfield, PENALTY FALSE START Green
2-11 Shotgun, Spiller in backfield, Spiller motions right, Edwards run 4yds, 4 man rush, Edwards abandons pocket at 4s, no pressure until he left the pocket
3-7 Shotgun, Spiller in backfield, Edwards to Evans 9yds, 8 in the box 6 rushed, ball out at 2s, no pressure, good catch by Evans
1-10 Shotgun, Spiller in backfield, Edwards to Spiller 9yds, 4 man rush, ball out at 3s, only pressure was from Bells DE getting up who was taken down to the ground, Spiller caught the ball at the LOS and made a nice move past the LB
2-1 Shotgun, Spiller in backfield, Spiller run -1yd, Hangartner helped double the DT and didn't switch off fast enough to get the LB who ran through untouched, Spiller didn't help by stopping briefly when he got the ball instead of continuing right
3-2 Shotgun, Jackson in backfield, Edwards sacked -9yds, both Meredith and Green got pushed back into Edwards at 2s, when he tried to roll out he was dragged down
4-11 Shotgun, Jackson in backfield, Edwards to Parrish 31yds TOUCHDOWN, 3 man rush, ball out at 2s, no pressure, Parrish was just ignored by the defense
FROM BUF 1
1-10 Shotgun, Jackson in backfield, Edwards to Johnson incomplete, 5 man rush, ball out at 2s, pass was a little behind Johnson, they had a DT stunt and it wasn't picked up by Levitre, he got an arm on him and pushed him but he disrupted the play
2-10 Shotgun, empty backfield, Edwards to Evans incomplete, 4man rush, ball out at 3s, it was getting crowded around Edwards (everybody was blocked) but a step to his left and he had space, should have been a pick 6
3-10 Shotgun, empty backfield, Edwards to Johnson incomplete, 4 man rush 1 man delayed blitz, ball out at 2s, not being pressured but in another second the CB was coming unblocked on the delay, the pass wasn't even close to Johnson, way wide left
FROM BUF 20
1-10 Shotgun, Jackson in backfield, Edwards to Jackson incomplete, 4 man rush, pressure comes at 3s, rolls out right and throws to Jackson at 4s, should have been caught but was going to be tackled in bounds and not for many yards
2-10 Shotgun, Jackson in backfield, Edwards pass batted at line, 4 man rush, ball out at 3s, pressure at 2.5s, LB got around Bell and Edwards stepped up to avoid the sack (one hand was on him), Levitre was starting to get backed up, when Edwards went to throw the DT just put up his arm
3-10 Shotgun, empty backfield, 4 man rush, Edwards abandons pocket at 3s, Wood was getting beat and got away with a hold, Edwards rolled out around Green so the DE could turn around and chase him, threw the ball backwards over his head out of bounds
4-10 PENALTY DELAY OF GAME
4-15 Shotgun, Jackson in backfield, Edwards to Nelson 10yds, 3 man rush, ball out at 3s, no pressure, Nelson was between the right hash marker and out of bounds, caught it at 5s but there were two guys next to him when he caught it
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Now that Ryan Grant will be out for the year, the timing of our game with Green Bay couldn't be better. We need to put Marshawn on display against the Pack. Matt Flynn looks like a better prospect than Trent and I think GB would go for it.
I like the idea, how about you?
After watching the first game, if the offense will be running as many plays as it did with 2 rb's in then we'll need all 3 this season.
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Sanchez is in year 2 of his career. Edwards is in year 4. Seniority has it's privileges. Edwards remains Captain Checkdown.
Or perhaps a promotion to Grand Admiral Short Pass?
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I plan on going through the second half tonight. I couldn't keep going last night
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Were those actually screen plays, or just passes to the RB behind the LOS?
They were definitely screen plays. Either that or the interior line was totally inept on those particular plays.
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Obviously, most of us (myself included) believe Green Bay will stomp the Bills at Lambeau. A 14-pt spread is huge, however, and the Packers will be missing Ryan Grant.
Mike Vick ran like crazy against the GB defense on Sunday; I can envision the Bills using a lot of wildcat with Jackson and Spiller as primary options.
Not suggesting by any means that the Bills will win this game, but I could see it being closer than expected.
For the Bills to have a chance, there need to be audibles at the line. If they're stacking the box, switch over to a quick pass and get it the $%^& out of there. The problem, of course, being Green Bay has significantly better CB's than MIA. Hopefully our receivers can get open quick or else we're in for a long day of Trent on the ground.
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Gailey and Modkins might have gameplanned it that way to give Trent more time, and to utilize CJ and Freddy's quickness and deceptiveness. However, it could have been in anticipation that our line was going to get blown up a lot or to keep their DB's honest deep down the field.
After going through the game I think you're right about it being the gameplan. The drawback was that when they stacked the box they had an extra guy who was lined up closer to the LOS than our RB's. That's not good especially on long developing running plays.
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The O-Line did not look as good as I hoped they would this game. Every single one had mistakes, but Greens were the most notable. A lot of the problems the line faced, especially on running plays, had to due with too many defenders in the box with not enough blockers. Since we kept running the ball out of the shotgun, there were several plays where MIA had all 8 guys closer to the LOS than our RB. Those kinds of situations need an audible to a pass. There were also issues picking up the blitzes. Whether they were delayed blitzes or overloaded ones coming from one side of the line (see the sack on Edwards on the first drive) those need to be identified and the blocking or play call adjusted accordingly.
answer to real debate: Oline or QB
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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With the rare exception, your offense will not be able to run on a less than mediocre O-Line. That being said, if you have the opportunity to acquire a franchise QB you take them immediately. I believe it is easier to find serviceable lineman than QB's. Unfortunately as of now, we have neither.