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11 hours ago, SoTier said:
"Buffalo Bills football sense"? What's that exactly? The ability to repeatedly deny reality and reject any criticism of any Bills player/coach/FO type except those the individual who has "Buffalo Bills football sense" dislikes?
Buffalo Bill sense refers to what the the Bills are likely to do by reading the tea leaves and not drinking the Kool-aid. It has NOTHING to do with good decisions or bad decisions or good trades or bad trades..... only what they are LIKELY to do.
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All the best to McCarron.
A few weeks ago he was getting half of the first team reps Allen should have been getting and now those reps vs the 1s D are lost. Funny, the fan polls a few weeks ago also wanted McCarron as the Week 1 starter. So fickle the fan, so lost McClown who had the audacity to say he was "absolutely" in the mix to start next week.
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Cosell's problem is he may have tumbleweed sense or even some common football sense. He does not appear to have any "Buffalo Bills" football sense. His sense means absolutely nothing to me and I am surprised that anything he would have to say about the state of our QB situation has any relevance whatsoever.
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4 hours ago, RochesterRob said:
As others have said in other threads I don't think that Josh is up to NFL speed just yet. Only the coaches know how he responds to frustration but odds are a few bad outings will impede his overall progress. Yeah, I know the Manning Boys and others were thrown to the wolves and rounded into top QB's but more just wear down to where they lose confidence long term. It's not going to be a run to the SB this year so lets develop guys including the 2018 rookie class.
If Josh is not up to speed its because McD preached his "trust the process" crap and this coming from a second year defensive head coach whose own defense stinks!! So his process was to give the VAST majority of the Varsity reps to Peterman and McCarron against the Varsity defense. So I wonder who would be better able to "process" the speed of the game more in preseason Game 3.... Peterman or Allen? It was his FIRST real action against a teams Varsity defense.....and its all because McD the sophomore head coach didn't give the #7 draft pick substantial time vs live action with the Varsity defense to get the uptempo speed down... Now your worried about his long term confidence? Really? You are drinking too much McClown koolaid I think.
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1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:
he's gotta own part of it. 20% 30%. If he'd have hit the 2nd and 13 pass to Clay, it could have been a different half for example.
Of course he did "own" part of it whether he really felt that way or not.Then again Clay probably would have dropped it since he couldn't even be relied upon to catch the easiest of passes on the first play of the game. The only difference between Clay running that first play and me running that play was ah ah ah..... no difference whatsoever.... lol and he is getting payed millions to make that simple play.
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Could all the "not quite ready" comments have anything to do with the fact that Peterman and McCarron got the VAST majority of 1st team reps vs 1st team "D" ALL preseason in OTAs, minicamp and practice and that by design? I wonder why with hundreds of more 1st team reps against our 1st team they might "appear" to be more ready for the 1st team "speed" of the game? Play 2 guys with the Varsity and play the franchise QB with the JVs all preseason and in the first game against the opposing Varsity your brilliant analysis is that he is "not quite ready" to play varsity. Such deep analytical thought. lol....
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I agree with this post and am glad he said it so correctly. I don't listen to their show anymore because of it. Thankfully it gives me a good break from listening to WGR most of the day.
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9 hours ago, 34-78-83 said:
The only thing laughable here is your take on the coach and thinking that he would undermine his own selection that they moved up for in the 1st round, and thinking that he is not 100% in sync with BB on Allen. Allen will get the job as soon as he is consistently able to make all the correct reads and within the scheme and apply them across varied defensive looks, have full control of the huddle and be able to sight adjust to get the offense in good positions vs. defensive adjustments and execute the plays called with enough consistency that his inevitably large YPC will overcome any small discrepancy in completion percentage that the other 2 may have over him (for now). Once he is able to do that, he'll get the gig. AJ and Nate are clearly just placeholders for Josh's job. Coach is executing a plan that he, BB and the other staff agree on for this. Coach, you and I all want Josh in there sooner than later, and doing it this way will also maintain the respect coach has gotten from the other 52 members of the team. He may earn it prior to game 1, he may not. Your weak and odd take on this process somehow being undermined by coach is not shared by others other than possibly the most jaded, paranoid or misinformed Bills fans.
I agree and this quote today from Carucci emphasizes your point on how consistent AJ has been and is. Problem is you are ok with this "consistency" and I am not." McCarron continues to hold the ball too long, seemingly searching for receivers to gain sufficient separation before he'll let the ball go. He had at least two passes that were delivered late and what would have been a sack if the defense was allowed to hit the quarterback. " A model for Allen to strive for. lol
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8 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:
What are you babbling about ?
When you can't read I know its difficult especially if you have real attitude. When you get older and can read you will understand that I spoke in English and not kindergarten.
8 hours ago, 34-78-83 said:The only thing laughable here is your take on the coach and thinking that he would undermine his own selection that they moved up for in the 1st round, and thinking that he is not 100% in sync with BB on Allen. Allen will get the job as soon as he is consistently able to make all the correct reads and within the scheme and apply them across varied defensive looks, have full control of the huddle and be able to sight adjust to get the offense in good positions vs. defensive adjustments and execute the plays called with enough consistency that his inevitably large YPC will overcome any small discrepancy in completion percentage that the other 2 may have over him (for now). Once he is able to do that, he'll get the gig. AJ and Nate are clearly just placeholders for Josh's job. Coach is executing a plan that he, BB and the other staff agree on for this. Coach, you and I all want Josh in there sooner than later, and doing it this way will also maintain the respect coach has gotten from the other 52 members of the team. He may earn it prior to game 1, he may not. Your weak and odd take on this process somehow being undermined by coach is not shared by others other than possibly the most jaded, paranoid or misinformed Bills fans.
What is laughable is that you are saying that both AJ and Nate are ALREADY doing the things that Allen must do. Really? I think not.
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8 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:
A supercilious orifice would tell you to let it play out. It's only been one game.
I agree. McClown just couldn't wait to anoint his D QB with hugs and kisses and ran to him on the very first day of rookie mini camp and personally worked with him. However, he made it very clear to Allen, the team, and the national media that the #7 pick in the draft would start at the bottom of the heap. Such an uninformed clown move.
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Just now, 34-78-83 said:
Thats not even a thing. One person says it and it becomes true for you just like that? Allen will get his chance just as soon as he's able to show consistency.
Laughable. So define consistency then. Most likely to take a sack? Most likely to throw laterally rather than downfield? I really want to hear your definition of consistency. Please don't quote accuracy though unless you are one of those guys who value stats like 5/5 30, 0, 0 over 3/5 115, 1,0. You probably prefer the former and call it consistency.
2 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:A supercilious orifice would tell you to let it play out. It's only been one game.
Under the presumption that even a McClown can tell the difference of who gives the team the best chance to win games when prodded by his GM?
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25 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Seriously? We haven't even hit the 2nd preseason game. Let it play out.
What will be certainly will be...and will be played out for sure. What has happened is utterly disrespectful to Allen who has give NO reason whatsoever for the treatment he has been given considering the treatment McClown has given Edmunds... or don't you see any difference?
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1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
Not the case. They have been interspersing him with the 1st team offense and he got 2nd team reps today while Peterman was with the 3rd team.
I have read almost every word of every reporter since he was drafted and traveled to SJF to see for myself. He is a #7 overall pick treated like a 7th round pick. Period. Unlike the vast experience of McCarron and Peterman (oops!) who have earned first team reps because ahh... they were first round picks...no... ahhh... hmmmm they were so faaarrrr ahead of him in the playbook 2 months ago? Next thing you know McClown will say he had dug deep in his vast experience pool in developing QBs as in NONE to recall what Andy Reid did nearly 20 years ago developing Donovan McNabb. So original and laughable.
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So much garbage...... they are "not treating him like a rookie"........ lol... he just gets 3rd team reps..... that will surely tell them how he handles NFL defenses... Just plain coach speak garbage by the WR coach.... laughable..
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31 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:
Reilly fanboy here. Reilly had one drop (not two), McCarron overthrew him deep, then the 62-yarder (those were his 3 targets). He's on the edge right now. RayRay is moving up quickly, and for some reason, people think Zay and Coleman are locks (butbutbut, draft, I get it). If Reilly doesn't make the team, it means we have better WRs than I think we do right now. If I were king, I'd cut DiMarco and keep 7 WRs, just in case KB goes down and Zay, well, just doesn't have it. Worst case, Reilly and RayRay make the practice squad.
So then he dropped 50% of his touches? His one drop ended a drive and a pretty simple catch on target at that. I am a fan of Reilly and hopes he makes the cut but he did look a tad slow out there and it was a critical drop for one on the bubble.
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2 hours ago, Peevo said:
This is ridiculous.
Criticizing a media member for being honest about his reservations is not "derangement disorder". It's being honest. You can support a team and still be objective and disagree with their decisions or opinions.
I'm a Rosen supporter. Sorry, uh, "Rosen" supporter. I'm not expecting Allen to fail, but I'm not very confident he will.
But does that mean I can't root for my team now that Allen is their QB?
I can't ever remember in my many years of life had my thoughts characterized as being ridiculous. But now being blessed by your very superior intellect I see you as a bastion of correct thought: a master of common sense: the epitome of name calling. A very great human being sic. Everyone has a right to their opinion for sure. Since you are not a Bills fan (Allen is THEIR QB) you are on the wrong forum. For that I will forgive your arrogant remark. I am a Josh Allen supporter and have been since before the draft. I defend him when he gets slammed and roasted. Time will tell. If you believe whatever the media says because you believe them as being "honest" beware...
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On 8/5/2018 at 2:26 PM, BillsFan17 said:
They play two different positions, Edmunds was also not nearly considered to has as big a learning curve, Edmunds has also truly excelled leaps and bounds.
Using Edmunds as a metric in regards to Allen isnt really that sound.
I am not arguing anything you are saying ...only this. When a coach speaks, I as a fan trust what he says to be the truth. If he would have said from the start that "need" trumps all and by necessity Edmunds will be starting immediately and will have to keep his reps by his play, I would certainly be on board with that explanation. But he didn't. He made a big point about "earning" reps which was true in Allen's case and a lie in Edmond's case. I don't like my coach outright lying about something that important.
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I called my rep a few days ago with the same question. She said that the email with code will come from NFL by August 15. Looks like one week trial here I come again.
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52 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:
No we wouldnt. Especially considering the entire draft process you knew Allen was a project who wasnt anticipated to start day one regardless of where he was drafted.
As far as the skepticism, now yes, that's anticipated, but not with blind subjectivity.
Allen is low hanging fruit to the media, but at least be responsible in the reports and informative.
Instead that reporter was lazy and didnt delve into what's really playing out at Bills camp.
What ends this real quick, most teams declare that the rookie wont be the starter from the get go.
As a matter of fact its more common than not, so you could have saved a lot of time by not blaming McDermott.
Of course that is the point. This is NOT most teams and this is what McD did. This is MY team and while I really like McD, he whiffed on the Allen treatment IMO and apparently lied about "earning" reps when I can't see how Edmonds earned any since he was made starter on day 1.
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2 hours ago, CSBill said:
It is clear you don't like McDermott. You do, however, raise some interesting points---I do not agree with most of them, but you present a passionate perspective on the situation.
The one thing I do agree with you on is the contrast of how McDermott has treated Edmunds versus Allen. As you point out, Edmunds has been the ML starter since his plane touched down in Buffalo. Where they have been extremely cautious with Allen.
It is odd, the eagerness with one and the slowness with the other.
I actually do like McDermott alot but he seems to think Allen is a 7th rounder and treats him as such. Bringing in a QB coach who has never played QB or coached QB is also strange given that McD is a defensive coach.
1 hour ago, JaxBills said:You have to not follow the team to be that dumb. Fans of the team know that Allen is exactly where the coaches said he would be.
It's like saying it disappointing that the team has managed to follow through on it's plan.
Wow. So many words. You seem to have an axe to grind,
But it still doesn't change the fact that they are carrying through there predetermined plan, regardless of outside voice....so far. And really, your going to compare a rookie QB developing to a linebacker? Lol, no.
No, I am comparing McDermott's own words about "earning" reps and wonder what did Edmonds do to earn them. If he did nothing then McD is a liar.
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I blame this whole issue on Sean McDermott.
1. For some reason he felt necessary after Allen was drafted to make it abundantly clear to Bills nation and the entire NFL that Allen 7th overall pick would start as the #3 QB throughout OTAs and minicamp apparently to make clear he had to "earn" his reps. He then simultaneously handed the starting MLB job to Edmunds without earning anything. Diminishing Allen in this manner was not necessary. Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold were not treated in this fashion by their head coaches. He setup Allen as being a "disappointment" by sticking with "his plan" for Allen which I believe was juvenile and flawed.
2. Under the guise of building "foundations" for Allen which apparently include Allen learning how to cross the street, find his locker, hold a clipboard, watch the other 2 QBs lace up their cleats, learn the playbook, etc. was ridiculous. Allen scored the highest in the Wunderlich of all QBs in the Combine. What the #7 was going to learn from McCarron or Peterman could be learned in an hour.
3. McDermott repeatedly stayed the course on his plan for Allen while his "franchise QB" was getting roasted in the local and national media for not progressing up the charts by using his cute "this is a rep chart not a depth chart" comment. McDermott just continues to allow his #7 get roasted while he "smirks" in pressers when local media push him on his plans for Allen.
4. The local press exacerbate the problem by feeling the need to report only the "completion percentage" they see of all the QBs which many view as Allen's weakness. Quoting these stats without also quoting the YPA or YPC misrepresents the results of the QB's target choices. The local press apparently view QB1 stats of say 5/5, 30, 0,0 as better than QB2 stats of 3/5 125,1,0 for instance. Quoting completion % only is completely out of context. We know that one QB hesitates to throw the ball ala Tyrod Taylor so as not to get picked and throws safer routes while one QB throws the ball downfield. Quess who is who. The stat however is completely misleading and Allen's perceived inaccuracy is perpetuated by those reported stats.
5. It has been reported by the press that their have been a disturbing # of dropped passes by the Bills WR group. This also helps perpetuate the inaccuracy issue.
6. In camp it appears that the QB gets a sack when he is "tagged" by a defender (protecting the QBs). One QB has frequently been reported as taking the most sacks. In reality we know that Allen has the best ability to avoid the physical contact and make plays when being contacted. He is charged with the same "touch" sack when we know his physical ability would allow the result to be significantly different than McCarron's "touch sack" outcome. Local reports of sacks makes no comment of "probably would have avoided" a particular "sack".
7. Allen also suffers from the "Allen derangement disorder" by many Bills fans and local media. Even Howard Simon who was "disappointed" by the pick at first claims to have come around to "support" the pick. But his next words talk about Allen's accuracy issues, footwork needs, and every other slam Allen has gotten from the pro "Rosen" supporters. Comical.
8. Allen has been a trooper throughout when I would seriously question his head coach's motives and treatment. He has not "demanded" to be a starter which others have slammed as an indictment of Allen's drive.
9. Allen cannot win until he wins the starting job, games, playoff games, and then Superbowl if that can ever happen. He will always have his "should have been Rosen" critics, and all types of critics with agendas largely because his head coach in very naive fashion allowed him to continually get criticized for everything he does. If I were Allen I would call out his coach for his "cute little plan" that allows constant criticism of him. He has kept quiet however and let his head coach look like a smirking clown IMO.
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SILLY SILLY SILLY SILLY topic. Please don't waste my time. Define "too soon". Define "ruining." Without those definitions completely silly.
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I haven't got the hard copies yet in Western PA, but got the digital copies on MyOneBuffalo mobile app the day I paid. I won't do anything with the actual hard copy tickets anyway and the digital copies are ready to go...
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Josh Allen's contract will be mostly or fully guaranteed. That will be about $23 million. Because it will be guaranteed the Bills will have to put that money in escrow by rule. Since he won't report to camp for 6 weeks it is likely he will sign the contract just prior to training camp.
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Patriots and Vikings Interested in Brandon Reilly
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Reilly looks slow on the field. He does seem to have zone awareness where he catches most of his balls but a db does not have to be fast or quick to shut him down in man.