[2 top 30 receivers on the bills????]

10 hours ago, finn said:

The cliche is that a great quarterback makes the players around him better. Both Brown and Beasley are having career years--with a QB in only his second year. People criticizing Allen are going to feeling foolish real soon. 

People have been feeling foolish since he was drafted and hate was spouted ad nauseum. He is getting undeniably better. 1st Pats game (H) 13/28 153  0  3  24.0 QBR      2nd Pats game (A) 13/26 208  2  0  102.7.  QBR 

[Outcoached on both sides of the ball...and Edmunds sucked]

10 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

New here?

 

 

It's why I've got like 50 people on ignore currently

 

No...LOL... Member since 2008. Not many posts because frankly most of this forum is unworthy of a read. I check in once in a while, read the garbage, shake my head, and then leave. Example: Many many Allen haters since the genius's who wanted Rosen didn't get their way and refused to admit their blatant error. All those supposed Buffalo Bills fans, so close to the team and yet so wrong about the most important position on the team. Then, the non stop criticism of every aspect of his game from these scorned naysayers. Fortunately they have mostly gone into hiding until the opportunity allows them  the slimmest of cracks to spout. It used to be entertaining but it is truly not worth it.

[Outcoached on both sides of the ball...and Edmunds sucked]

10 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said:

Up to this point, what I have gathered from the posts today:

 

1) Allen sucks

2) The Oline sucks

3) Allen sucks

4) Edmunds sucks

5) Allen sucks

6) The coaching sucks

7) Allen sucks

8.) The run defense sucks

9) The run game sucks

10) The receiving sucks

and

11) Allen sucks

 

Did I miss anything?

 

Kind of wondering how we made the playoffs...

 

Anyone who said Allen sucks is unworthy of a read. Period.

[This one was on the defense folks]

25 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

14 first downs, 2/11 3rd down conversion rate and 268 yards of offense yesterday. You thought that was good?

I don't recall saying it was good. I refuted your comment that it was inept. The Pats give up an average of 268 ypg. The Bills exceeded that. Inept? NO. The Pats have given up 10 TD passes this year. Allen threw 2 in this game. Inept? Hardly. The Bills scored 17 points against the #1 defense. Inept? Absolutely not. Maybe look up the definition of inept would help?

[This one was on the defense folks]

7 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

Yes, now you know. You’re welcome.

Hey always appreciate learning new things from clueless people.

[This one was on the defense folks]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The part where the defense got no rest in between drives because the O couldn't stay on the field. 

Oh so you mean that after the D gave up the 17 play 8:58 drive because they didn't do their job  and couldn't get off the field the offense didn't bail them out and give them enough time to catch their breath? and on the other two 11 play drives the offense didn't bail them again and again? I get it blame the offense. Wow.

[This one was on the defense folks]

16 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

It was a total team loss. The defense was gashed and the offense was inept.

So the offense scored 17 points against the  #1 defense and had over 300 yards of offense. I guess "inept" has a very high bar. I would have thought inept was reserved for sub 200 yard offenses that score less than 10. Now I know....

[This one was on the defense folks]

16 minutes ago, zonabb said:

Nope. It's on Allen. Be honest, you can't rely on the D every single game and when your QB can't hit Knox in the end zone on the same throw the GOAT did moments earlier to tie the game, that's not the D's fault, it's Allen's. Can't blame the D every time they lose to shield the offense from criticism. The offense is putrid more often than not. The running game is weak. The OL is unathletic, leaving this team unable to ever run a screen, which you watch other teams like, oh I don't know, every team yesterday. And the WR position needs a legit lengthy receiver. But all of that doesn't overcome the reality that execution by Allen cost them the game, period. Too many here won't criticize the kid. He's shown major improvement in a lot of areas, but those 3-4 misses a game will continue to come back and haunt them and the Knox miss, that a high schooler can make, cost them a tie and possible win.

You have to be joking! Allen 2 TD 0 INT, a passer rating of 102.7, no turnovers, got first downs with his desire and legs and its on him? You are unbelievable. D gives up 414 yds, 38 minutes of possession, 24 points, many many missed tackles and whiffs, no pics, and you want to lay it on Allen? Unbelievable. How many hundreds of throws that a high schooler might make are missed each week by NFL QBs? Ridiculous.

[This one was on the defense folks]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

Was it? The offense couldn't sustain a drive 3:15 on our very first drive after the turnover was our longest drive of the day until the last one. You cn't have your defense on the field 2/3s of the game against NE and expect to win. D has some blame to take. But the O was inept outside two magic throws. 

 

We were never up 17-10. We were down 13-10 and up 17-13. Then the D got a 3 and out immediately. Then our O went 3 and out. Then they went down and we held them inside the redzone to a FG. 17-16. Then our O went 3 and out again. And finally the bend and break broke having been on the field 38 of the 54 minutes of the game played to that point. 

Seriously? The D was on the field 2/3 of the game because they gave up 2 11 play drives (14:06) and one 17 play drive (8:58) and couldn't get off the field. The fact is that  on 5 or more play drives the Pats had 6 and the Bills had 5. So what part of the 2 11 play drives and the one 17 play drive did the offense have?

[Josh Allen showing he's right for Buffalo as Bills brace for Lamar Jackson]

26 minutes ago, chris heff said:

I’m confused is the insinuation that Lamar Jackson wouldn’t have been right for Buffalo? I like Josh Allen, I’m glad he’s a Bill. This is in no way meant to disparage him, right now he and Jackson are the two best QBs from that draft. McDermott’s comments are coach/GM speak, let’s not forget that the Bills traded the number 12 pick and two second rounders to move up for Allen. Jackson most certainly would have been there at 12. Who knows who those two second rounders would have brought. The fact is that thirty one teams including the Bills were wrong about Lamar Jackson. 

You can always have hindsight. Brady was drafted in the 6th round. For Jackson, his Wonderlic Test score was at the very bottom of the quarterbacks tested at the combine. Josh Allen's score was tops by a large margin. I have wondered if Jackson's very low score affected teams interest in the top part of the draft. It is very clear, however, that the Bills had targeted Allen for the very things he brings to Buffalo.

[Josh Allen will be a special guest (likely prerecorded) on NFL Network tonight after the game]

If there is one thing Josh Allen has done very effectively since the night he was drafted was embrace the role of "face of the franchise", "ambassador of the city", and "promoter of the process." Add to that genuine humility, undeniable athleticism, and obvious leadership, it is exciting yet calming that as he gets better and better the franchise is in good hands for the foreseeable future. Go Bills!

[Jason Whitlock may be on to something..]

43 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

sorry  What a waste of time even skipping 10 minutes 

 

I should have read the hashtag and known

 

God and faith has nothing to do with football.  Just ask Tim Tebow.  

 

Using Tim Tebow out of the tens of thousands of NFL players who have strong faith and belief in God who proclaim it and live by it and have/had highly successful careers is on its own about as weak an argument as I have ever heard for a counterpoint. The definition of faith is simply "the substance of things hoped for". Maybe consider  looking up words you don't know the meaning of but think you do would be helpful.

[Jets fans do not live in reality.]

12 hours ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

How soon we forget.  I realize we are 2-0, that is nice and all but dude, we are still in the Jets class unless we keep it up this season.

I would like to speak to the official "class assignment" person to ask how far into "last" year he/she goes when assigning a "class" to the Bills. You are who you are...not who you were a year ago especially given all of the changes made to this roster.

[How would you rank the QBs of the 2018 NFL draft today in hindsight?]

I guess you are giving Mayfield a pass on his only performance this year? 3 picks, 64.0 rating, 5 sacks, 0-1 record. You have him ranked #1? Did that not happen or are you going back to last year's performance? Interesting.

 

All of these QBs are completely different after a full off-season. Last year the trolls trashed the Bills for not taking Rosen. They trashed  Allen for his accuracy. Now a year later the Rosenites who claimed to know exactly who the Bills should have drafted are quiet and have gone underground, The Allen accuracy bashers are deleting tweets by the thousands and things are different.

 

Putting Mayfield #1 discounts his poor performance in Week 1 and all the changes in the other QBs during the off-season. Jackson has been fantastic for sure.

 

I think each team got the right QB for their franchise (including Rosen). I would not trade Allen for Mayfield, Jackson, Darnold, or the rest. His floor is higher than anyone predicted and his ceiling is too.

 

["Pump the Brakes" Narrative by Reporters and Analysts]

9 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

All those disclaimers you take umbrage to are perfectly valid in May/June. Calm down.

Disclaimers are fine especially if as a reporter you are in CYA mode from readers who will remind you if you don't remind them. Reminding readers that "its only May" is fine if you think your readers don't know that or its implications. When you TELL your readers to "pump the brakes" that is not a reminder of what part of the preseason we are in... that is talking down to the fan base who want to be excited about the team's potential and who will never remember how the team looked in May when the "truth" reveals itself in October/November. Telling a fan base base to be less excited at the possibilities because they may be psychologically harmed when the truth hits 6 months from now is.. is.. is.. laughable?, ludicrous? self serving?... probably the latter.

["Pump the Brakes" Narrative by Reporters and Analysts]

15 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

You say they ought to tell what they see and the implications. They did. You got irritated.

Boy you sure like missing the point. A reporter is just that. Report what you see. If you are a reporter/commentator then report what you see and comment on what YOU think it means. If you are not a "fan base psychologist" then don't tell others what to think ala "pump the brakes" unless you think you are superior in sports knowledge or in Bills lore (as I suspect you might) speaking to a dumb fan base that doesn't know its May, that pads are not on, that its OTAs and that the season is 100 days away...in that case just wail away and expose your narrative to the scrutiny of many Bills fans who know what it all means. 

["Pump the Brakes" Narrative by Reporters and Analysts]

39 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

As I've said, if you want to be unrealistic, that's your choice. But don't feel it's everyone's duty not to tell you you're sipping Kool-Aid, though most do it in nicer ways.

Its funny, I never said anything about my expectations of how the team will do this year. I also did not say you were wrong. The argument is not at all about realistic or unrealistic expectations. Its about writers who feel the need to put the disclaimers in every article. There should be a universal disclaimer that IOM (Its only May), TANP (There are no pads), IOOTA, (Its only OTAs), etc. or maybe for you STKAWC (Sip the Kool-aid with caution). At least then they do not appear condescending or CYA ing on every bit of "good" news that comes out of One Bills Drive. Tell us what you see and what you think those implications are and we will determine the relevancy of that reporting to the greater goal of assessing where our team is based on years of fandom experience for ourselves.

["Pump the Brakes" Narrative by Reporters and Analysts]

37 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

You, personally may not need it. Their duty isn't to tell you what you, personally need to hear. They have a larger audience.

 

And plenty of Bills fans are dreaming 10- 11- 12 and 13-win dreams for this season and thinking it's not just possible but that that's the way it looks.

 

So you feel its their self-appointed duty to be not only writers but the fan base psychologists of the "larger audience" worried that if our hopes are too high in May that we all may be psychologically damaged sometime in October or November if things do not go well? Further we might remember that half a year earlier in May  they can say"see we told you in May to pump those brakes?"  Hmmm. We certainly don't want a yearly repeat of the last 25 years or so then do we? Better we temper our daily joy at the  news for the next 150 days or so until we see what the reality is? Being a fan is all about the daily joy of good news and the daily worry of bad news. So they are just trying to protect us from our feeble larger audience selves then? Nice.

["Pump the Brakes" Narrative by Reporters and Analysts]

If I read one more "disclaimer" by the beat writers and analysts that as Bills fans we need to "pump the brakes", "they don't have pads on", "its only May", we must "temper expectations", "OTA's are meaningless" I am going to explode! Most of us have many, many, many, more years of following football and particularly the Bills that these same beat writers (you know who they are) and analysts. We know the story. I really appreciate reporting what they see and even their commentary on how player's are fitting into the culture and lineups. Too many of them (actually all of them) in order avoid criticism feel the need to step on the pulpit and spread the "pump the brakes" rhetoric as though their readers are neophytes or dummies that need preached too. Please, just report what you see, comment on your thoughts, but layoff the preachy condescending rhetoric. If I hear good things by multiple writers I want to feel good about the team. I don't need told to "temper" my enthusiasm until they say its ok. Anyone else have thoughts on this?

[GM Beane Meeting with Premium Seat holders]

2 hours ago, NoSaint said:

 

Thats 30 years ago though! The thing that worries me is the league has changed drastically. There are few fan bases that would embrace the slow build in an era designed for fast turnarounds. That you are referencing you know good football decisions from seeing a team building effort in the late 80s is indicative of a fan base that is out of touch with good football decisions 3 decades later.  Bills fans often seem isolated from the wider league and have just been stuck under the Tom Brady shadow for so long that many haven’t been involved in the norms of how quickly even good teams are churning rosters.

 

I think he has been hot and cold in his decisions, much like any GM - but boy has he NAILED the messaging for Buffalo bills fans. 

What hasn't changed in 30 years though is the definition of the word "good". Good is when you go to 4 straight Super Bowls regardless of decade. "Not good" is when you don't go a playoff game in 17 years! When you try to redefine "good" by qualifying  "building effort" in different decades or in terms of fan bases "out of touch with good football decisions" doesn't work. Its pretty simple the word "good" . . . in any decade, on any team, with any fan base, with any players, in any division etc. I chose my words carefully...... they were "good" then and maybe on the horizon now.

[GM Beane Meeting with Premium Seat holders]

I too attended the "Speaker Series" last night. I have to confirm the description of Beane. I, too was impressed with his transparency on fielding many questions we had for him. His candor was quite refreshing. Many of us saw "good football" and "good football decisions" in the Bill Polian, Marv Levy era. This Beane/McDermott pair has us believing once again that "good football" may be on our horizon.

[So why was Josh Allen a 1st rounder & Tyree Jackson Undrafted?]

Saying Jackson is "as good as" Allen shows how misinformed you are. 6 NFL teams passed on Allen. 224 teams passed on Jackson. Obviously your analysis is errant unless you know more than the other 32 teams x 7. Using "stats" to judge "talent" is a fool's business as you are learning.

[Tremaine Edmunds: Leader of Men and King of the North]

I am good with the "equal footing" in terms as leader of the defense vs. leader of the offense.....except if he is King of the North then  its clear that Josh Allen is Aegon Targaryen, King of  Westeros and the Seven Kingdoms. MLB will never be on "equal footing" with the QB though.

[Everyone talks OL and WR, but our ST sucked last season]

So is your point we should be signing people to help ST in which they are doing that or not signing people to help to promote a specific narrative? or 2. just to find something to criticize?

[NFL TV ratings up 5%]

3 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

The anthem protests didn't hurt NFL TV viewership.  TV viewership across the board was down in 2017.  The number of people who decided to "boycott," the NFL didn't even make a dent.  The NFL was never in trouble due to the protests. 

1. OK so you say viewership "across the board was down in 2017" and the reason was ????????? What other event season long caused this? I know many people who were turned off by the protest and gave up their Sunday Ticket and did not watch the rest of the season.

2. Do you have statistics to back up "didn't even make a dent"? My understanding was that viewership was down about 10%

3. Can  you cite some data to back up your claims?

 

2 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

I think you may be on to something. I get the feeling many so called Patriots' supporters will be tuning out for good in the coming years. 

I have no clue what you just said. Are you being snarky or what? Patriots was lower case... you made it upper? What is your point here? Sounds like snarky blather.