VABills Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 No offense, but any person who is so called undecided at this point........ should be shot. 65326[/snapback] No offense Rich, but anyone who doesn't keep an open mind and consider everything presented should be shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Goodell Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Judges such as Scalia & Thomas should have the final say in whether a woman can have an abortion. They know more than she does, so why should she have the right of choice. Only rich women who can afford to travel to Europe should have that right. The rest should risk death like the middle class & poor women had to 40 years ago. Abortion is murder, your only choice is elect Bush & hope he can nominate enough conservative judges to overturn Roe v Wade. yeah, left wing paranoia fantasies about evil judges and arbortion is clearly the most important issue to consider in this election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Kerry is a Catholic, he's not a born again Christian. Only someone who has seen the light and been born again should be elected president. 65367[/snapback] John Kerry is not a Catholic. I take offense to that. I have had numerous discussions with priests/pastors and they would not serve him communion if he appeared at our church. Anyone who believes in and supports abortion has given up his rights in the Catholic faith. While it is not my job to judge him, he is not someone that I could in good faith support as a Catholic. If he needed my help, stuck on the side of the road, I would give him a ride and help change his tire. However if he needed a sponser for confirmation, etc... I could not and would not step forward. Born again Christian has nothing to do with it. I assume you are an atheist or an agnostic to post this. Those of us with faith and believe have our opinions just as everyone else. You post slaps us in the face by saying that ones religious or moral beliefs do not count. You are incorrect and happy to say that I hope the majority of this country has some some foundation in moral and religious upbringing even if it isn't Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Nobody, please remember that the actual dollar amount is the highest it has ever been. In terms of how that amount plays against other economic factors, it is absolutely, positively, NOWHERE near WWII levels. Checks the facts on this. Only the number is high, not the percentage. What you are saying is very misleading. 65389[/snapback] I woudn't say nowhere near but let's all hope that we don't have another WW to get to that level again. The numbers shouldn't be high percentage or absolute wise. The federal government is far too bloated. We need to shrink the government not increase it. The public sector job count has increaed by 800k in the last 4 years. Federal governemt job counts should be going down not up. You need to reduce not "increase less". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tennesseeboy Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 I am kind of confused. I haven't been following the election as closesly as I would like. However, every single one of my friends and colleagues is a staunch Kerry supporter. Most feel this way due to an utter hatred towards GW Bush. Now I notice that on this board, I would say that Bush has the majority. That said, I would really appreciate it if you guys could help me here. WHY SHOULD I NOT VOTE FOR JOHN KERRY? Please, no insults against Kerry's personalitiy or his flip flopping, etc... what I would love to hear are some deficiencies in Kerry's policy. If you could point me to resources, that would be great too. I'm just trying to educate myself here. Thanks very much! 65304[/snapback] 1. The war in Iraq. Bush shouldn't have gotten into it and he certainly can't get us out of it. Kerry/Edwards can. 2. The deficit. Bush took a surplus and turned it into the biggest deficit in history. He can't get us out of it. Kerry/Edwards can 3. Health care. Its broke. Bush didn't, couldn't or wouldn't fix it. Kerry Edwards have at least an idea for fixing it. Kerry has the financial advisors and planners (Bob Rubin et. al.) that gave us the Clinton economy...the best one we've ever had. Bush has more of the same. Kerry has the military leaders who know what it means to lead. Bush has yes men. Kerry knows who the terrorists are. Bush thinks Saddam and his Iraqi henchmen were the threat. We all know better now. Listen to your friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 I get amused by the fact that born again christians do not believe that you have true faith until you have lost faith and gotten it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheRocks Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 I get amused by the fact that born again christians do not believe that you have true faith until you have lost faith and gotten it back. 65478[/snapback] sorry to get away from the topic of the thread but... as a born again christian....i have no idea what you are talking about when you say what you have stated here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 1. The war in Iraq. Bush shouldn't have gotten into it and he certainly can't get us out of it. Kerry/Edwards can. 2. The deficit. Bush took a surplus and turned it into the biggest deficit in history. He can't get us out of it. Kerry/Edwards can 3. Health care. Its broke. Bush didn't, couldn't or wouldn't fix it. Kerry Edwards have at least an idea for fixing it. Kerry has the financial advisors and planners (Bob Rubin et. al.) that gave us the Clinton economy...the best one we've ever had. Bush has more of the same. Kerry has the military leaders who know what it means to lead. Bush has yes men. Kerry knows who the terrorists are. Bush thinks Saddam and his Iraqi henchmen were the threat. We all know better now. Listen to your friends. 65470[/snapback] Hey Dawgg...if you ARE looking for a reason NOT to vote for Kerry, let Tenneseeboy be your guidance. He does exactly what Kerry does: Tells you he can do something, but fails to explain how he's going to do it. Kerry knows who the terrorists are? Which terrorists? The really mean ones or just the ones who are a nuisance? You think CLINTON gave you that economy? Try again. Northern California and Wall Street gave us that economy. Health care? Sure, if you like socialism. Kerry can reduce the deficit? How, when he proposes $2.2 TRILLION in new spending! See, Dawwg...anyone can talk the talking points. Only Tboy is better at it than most. Remember, prioritize first. And if you can't get to Kerry's website for the talking points, listen to Tboy. He has no original thoughts of his own so he just repeats what he hears out of hatred for Bush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 sorry to get away from the topic of the thread but...as a born again christian....i have no idea what you are talking about when you say what you have stated here. Many "born again" christians are people who have moved away from their christian faith living a "unchristian" life until some dramatic event leads them back. At that point they take their faith to an extreme where they believe they are superior in faith then others who have never lost faith. This link goes into some of what I mean. http://www.lotc.org/lounge/sermon/born_again.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnTheRocks Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 not that it matters or that i want to prolong the topic....but I read the attached article and I don't see where it says anything about moving away from a type of Christian faith and and coming back to it in some sort of higher level. Many "born again" christians are people who have moved away from their christian faith living a "unchristian" life until some dramatic event leads them back. At that point they take their faith to an extreme where they believe they are superior in faith then others who have never lost faith. This link goes into some of what I mean. http://www.lotc.org/lounge/sermon/born_again.html 65565[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 1. The war in Iraq. Bush shouldn't have gotten into it and he certainly can't get us out of it. Kerry/Edwards can. 2. The deficit. Bush took a surplus and turned it into the biggest deficit in history. He can't get us out of it. Kerry/Edwards can 3. Health care. Its broke. Bush didn't, couldn't or wouldn't fix it. Kerry Edwards have at least an idea for fixing it. Kerry has the financial advisors and planners (Bob Rubin et. al.) that gave us the Clinton economy...the best one we've ever had. Bush has more of the same. Kerry has the military leaders who know what it means to lead. Bush has yes men. Kerry knows who the terrorists are. Bush thinks Saddam and his Iraqi henchmen were the threat. We all know better now. Listen to your friends. 65470[/snapback] And your post is different that mine, because.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichFan Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Dawgg, you're at an age where I'll assume you appreciate the idea that hard work is what gets you ahead. I'll also assume you want a President who is a hard worker on behalf of the American people. Do a little research on the following: - What has Kerry's attendance in the Senate been over the last 2 years? Keep in mind that Kerry has been on the payroll of the taxpayer this whole time. Do you think this attendance is deserving of a promotion? You probably would have been fired from your own job after about 2 weeks of this. - What percentage of Senate votes over the last 2 years has Kerry participated in? Recognize that Kerry was elected by the people of Massachusettes to represent their interests in D.C. Has he done a capable job on their behalf? Would you get a promotion if you answered that percent of questions from your manager? Would you even have a job? - What percentage of Senate Intelligence Committee meetings has Kerry attended since 9/11? Many feel that homeland security and the war on terror are the biggest issues in this campaign. Kerry was given the honor of serving on a key player in these issues. If you showed similar interest in the key issues affecting your company, would you get a promotion? - How many bills has Kerry authored over the course of his 20 year career? He's on record stating that it isn't about authoring bills, rather negotiating to get your pork/policies into existing bills by making your support contingent upon it. Would you get a promotion if you let everyone else do the hard work and then just finessed a few points? - On the day of the first debate, one candidate worked assisting hurricane relief providers while another candidate went to a spa and got a French manicure. Whose work ethic would you rather have leading this country. Obviously by now you can figure out that I am a Bush supporter. But again, I hope you appreciate that we have the right to expect the same work ethic out of our leaders that is expected of us. People say a lot of things about each of them, but I have never heard anyone close to Bush accuse him of being a slacker and I have never heard anyone close to Kerry accuse him of being a hard worker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jock Sniffer Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 1. Kerry will raise taxes on small business and, I believe, everyone else.2. Kerry's plans for medicare and other issues, while reducing the deficit, are simply impossible with current governemnt revenue. 3. Kerry tells you what you want to hear, and has more money for just about everyone - money that simply doesn't exist. 4. Kerry wants a 'global test' on issues of America going to war in self defense or otherwise. Implied are larger role for France and Germany i the conduct of US international affairs. 5. Kerry will align himself more with current Euopean (socialist) governments in his approach to the economy, entitlement programs and general pacifism toward dealing with world threats. 6. Kerry, by virtue of his voting record, is the, or one of the most liberal "tax and spend' liberals in Congress. 7. Kerry lacks the convictions and certainty to be CIC. Attacked Howard Dean's anti war stance to win the Dem primaries. He is now against the war. He was also against the 1st Gulf war. He basicly beleives whatever it takes to get elected. Of course you may find some of this list a reason to vote for him... 65362[/snapback] Dawg, the answer is simple. Go to factcheck.org and check out the things folks here claim to be true about most candidates. Take these 7 points listed by this poster. All false. Everyone is biased toward "their guy". Factcheck.org is totally unbiased and both campaigns have told voters to go there to check out their opponents records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichFan Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Factcheck.org is totally unbiased and both campaigns have told voters to go there to check out their opponents records. Actually, Cheney suggests factcheck.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich in Ohiо Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 No offense Rich, but anyone who doesn't keep an open mind and consider everything presented should be shot. 65437[/snapback] No offense, but I don't need an open mind to see the truth. Fox News told me so. Have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 I get amused by the fact that born again christians do not believe that you have true faith until you have lost faith and gotten it back. 65478[/snapback] Excellent point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blzrul Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 No offense, but I don't need an open mind to see the truth. Fox News told me so. Have a nice day. 67244[/snapback] Good thing because "open minded" is the last thing anyone would ever call you. There are lots of other things to call you (besides criminal) before open mindedness comes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evil Bastard Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 Good thing because "open minded" is the last thing anyone would ever call you. 67263[/snapback] As well as you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spidey Posted October 12, 2004 Share Posted October 12, 2004 John Kerry is not a Catholic. I take offense to that. I have had numerous discussions with priests/pastors and they would not serve him communion if he appeared at our church. Anyone who believes in and supports abortion has given up his rights in the Catholic faith. While it is not my job to judge him, he is not someone that I could in good faith support as a Catholic. If he needed my help, stuck on the side of the road, I would give him a ride and help change his tire. However if he needed a sponser for confirmation, etc... I could not and would not step forward. Born again Christian has nothing to do with it. I assume you are an atheist or an agnostic to post this. Those of us with faith and believe have our opinions just as everyone else. You post slaps us in the face by saying that ones religious or moral beliefs do not count. You are incorrect and happy to say that I hope the majority of this country has some some foundation in moral and religious upbringing even if it isn't Catholic. 65463[/snapback] Not all Catholic priests are refusing communion to politicians like Kerry etc. Some Bishops believe in a difference in what you believe and what you try to force on others. I am sure that Kerry is like myself and would prefer that abortion never be required except for health and well being of the mother, incest or rape. However we dont have that situation today. What the radicals try to imply is that abortion is being used as a birth control mechanism this is the stupidest thing ever stated. It amazes me how folks like Bush and Cheney are against abortion but would be first ones to send daughters overseas if they became unwantedly pregnant. Just like Cheney now supports Gay Marriage since he has a daughter who is gay wonder what his stance would be if she was straight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alg Posted October 13, 2004 Share Posted October 13, 2004 1. The war in Iraq. Bush shouldn't have gotten into it and he certainly can't get us out of it. Kerry/Edwards can. 2. The deficit. Bush took a surplus and turned it into the biggest deficit in history. He can't get us out of it. Kerry/Edwards can 3. Health care. Its broke. Bush didn't, couldn't or wouldn't fix it. Kerry Edwards have at least an idea for fixing it. Kerry has the financial advisors and planners (Bob Rubin et. al.) that gave us the Clinton economy...the best one we've ever had. Bush has more of the same. Kerry has the military leaders who know what it means to lead. Bush has yes men. Kerry knows who the terrorists are. Bush thinks Saddam and his Iraqi henchmen were the threat. We all know better now. Listen to your friends. 65470[/snapback] Thank you for reminding me not to take life too seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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