true_blue_bill Posted November 4, 2006 Share Posted November 4, 2006 Ya, they are real interested in protecting us. Pure evil is what they are http://www.barnesjewish.org/groups/default.asp?NavID=3618 Cancer Survivors Press Congress for Research Funding By Adam Sichko, St. Louis Post-Dispatch, September 20, 2006 WASHINGTON - At age 76, with a metal brace on one knee and a cane in his hand, Arthur Grist knows he's probably not cut out for all the walking he did Wednesday on the National Mall. But he believes any soreness he may feel today is better than the nausea he endured during radiation treatments for prostate cancer. Grist is a retired public health professor from Southern Illinois University Edwardsville. He was in Washington to lobby Congress to reverse proposed funding cuts for cancer research. "You're cutting money out of cancer research? Are you kidding me?" Grist said. "They need to get their act together and put that money back in." Grist joined nearly 10,000 cancer survivors and cancer research advocates Wednesday who met with legislators and rallied outside the U.S. Capitol. Delegations from every state pushed three initiatives: To increase research funding. President George W. Bush proposed a $40 million cut in the budget for the National Cancer Institute. The House agreed to that cut, while the Senate proposed a $9 million increase to the current $4.793 billion budget. The institute says it needs almost $300 million more to maintain services. To renew an early detection program and add $47 million to its budget. The program provides screening and treatment for breast and cervical cancers to low-income, uninsured women, but the American Cancer Society says it only reaches one in five eligible women. The extra funding would help at least 130,000 more women. To persuade members of Congress to sign a Cancer Promise, in which they support increasing research funding and making cancer-related issues a priority. The National Mall was a sea of purple T-shirts throughout the one-day event. At night, about 20,000 luminarias encircled a pool in front of the Capitol. "Cancer can no longer be fought in the laboratories and at the bedsides, as it was years ago," said Maryann Coletti, an oncology nurse at the Siteman Cancer Center in St. Louis' Barnes-Jewish Hospital. "We have to fight it in the halls of Congress and in our statehouses." A resolution supporting the goal of eliminating cancer-related deaths by 2015 passed the House unanimously Tuesday night. Jenny Steinmann, a Florissant resident and cancer survivor, emerged optimistic from her meetings with three Missouri members of Congress. "I did everything I wanted to do and said everything I wanted to say," said Steinmann, a junior at Creighton University. "The ball's in their court." Rep. John Shimkus, R-Ill., spoke optimistically about the detection program but sounded less certain about increasing research funding, said Tom Smith of Jerseyville, Ill. Smith said it was "hard to gauge" how effective the brief meeting was. "I hope we'll be OK." "We'll survive," he added later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATBNG Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Ya, they are real interested in protecting us. Pure evil is what they are Cancer is a devastating illness, but suggesting that the federal government is "pure evil" for proposing a 1% cut in its research funding is hyperbolic nonsense. You can't have government pay for everything, unless you want to live out Marx's vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true_blue_bill Posted November 5, 2006 Author Share Posted November 5, 2006 Cancer is a devastating illness, but suggesting that the federal government is "pure evil" for proposing a 1% cut in its research funding is hyperbolic nonsense. You can't have government pay for everything, unless you want to live out Marx's vision. 824930[/snapback] A few points on your post AT, First off I was not criticizing 'the government' I was criticizing the Conservatives who run it. The Conservatives are the ones I was calling 'pure evil.' Secondly, only a retard could equate funding cancer research with Marxism. The government has a job to protect us. How much are we spending [wasting] in Iraq these days? $8 billion a month? The cancer reasearch institutes are asking for $300,000 million a year is all. What they get now is so small that that would represent a massive increase in funding. Oh, and many more Americans die from cancer than terrorism. Why the Democrats have not made this a centerpiece of their party platform is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungee Jumper Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 The government has a job to protect us.824994[/snapback] There's the crux of your idiocy right there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true_blue_bill Posted November 5, 2006 Author Share Posted November 5, 2006 There's the crux of your idiocy right there. 825016[/snapback] Next time don't bother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungee Jumper Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Next time don't bother 825031[/snapback] Why don't you, instead, explain WHY the government's job is to take care of us. Start with a Constitutional basis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true_blue_bill Posted November 5, 2006 Author Share Posted November 5, 2006 Why don't you, instead, explain WHY the government's job is to take care of us. Start with a Constitutional basis... 825035[/snapback] You can't be this stupid? Your position is so radical, so ridicilous it does not deserve a reply, but I'll give you one anyway. The government, if it has a job at all, is to protect us. Have you ever read the preamble to the Constitution you moron? And I'll take it further, even if it didn't say it was there to protect us, it should anyway. The common good it furthered by the government protecting us in all sorts of ways. If you like anarchy go try Iraq. I really wishj the Conservatives would just do us all a favor and campaign on eliminating government altogether. It would save us all a lot of trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungee Jumper Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 You can't be this stupid? Your position is so radical, so ridicilous it does not deserve a reply, but I'll give you one anyway. The government, if it has a job at all, is to protect us. Have you ever read the preamble to the Constitution you moron? And I'll take it further, even if it didn't say it was there to protect us, it should anyway. The common good it furthered by the government protecting us in all sorts of ways. If you like anarchy go try Iraq. I really wishj the Conservatives would just do us all a favor and campaign on eliminating government altogether. It would save us all a lot of trouble 825089[/snapback] We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and protect us from anything bad, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America My God, you...you're right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true_blue_bill Posted November 5, 2006 Author Share Posted November 5, 2006 My God, you...you're right! 825153[/snapback] Ya, it's unconstitutional to pay for constitution research! Great point! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Ya, it's unconstitutional to pay for constitution research! Great point! 825161[/snapback] Another retard in the making? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true_blue_bill Posted November 5, 2006 Author Share Posted November 5, 2006 Another retard in the making? 825178[/snapback] Are ya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Are ya? 825188[/snapback] Good comeback Now let me go back to writing rants about why the government should protect me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true_blue_bill Posted November 5, 2006 Author Share Posted November 5, 2006 Good comeback Now let me go back to writing rants about why the government should protect me... 825195[/snapback] maybe you could sue the government for funding cancer research! Wasting your tax dollars like that, horrible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bungee Jumper Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Ya, it's unconstitutional to pay for constitution research! Great point! 825161[/snapback] For "constitution" research? (I know, it was just a typo...still funny.) My point being, though, that if you mistakenly believe that government's job is to "protect us"...it's a very slippery slope. Protect us from what, precisely? Or, more to the point, what isn't the government supposed to "protect" us from? And where is our responsibility to protect ourselves? There is a reason the Preamble to the Constitution is written in general terms of the common good, and not in broad terms of "protection". But regardless...reducing the NCI's budget by 1% is a travesty, you're right. It should be 10%. Along with every single other government budget item. If cancer research is going to be adversely affected by a 1% decrease in the NCI's budget, the problem is that NCI is wasting too much damn money. You must be kidding if you believe the NCI can't make up a $40M cut out of a five billion dollar budget. And before you get stupid: I say the same thing routinely about other government programs. Particularly Defense and HUD. So don't go looking for some "pet program" you might think I might find painful to cut to give the money to NCI. I want 'em all cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 maybe you could sue the government for funding cancer research! Wasting your tax dollars like that, horrible! 825199[/snapback] Not really. I donate money from my own pocket for cancer research, given that I lost a member of my family to it, but it goes beyond that. Something someone retarded like you could probably never understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true_blue_bill Posted November 5, 2006 Author Share Posted November 5, 2006 For "constitution" research? (I know, it was just a typo...still funny.) My point being, though, that if you mistakenly believe that government's job is to "protect us"...it's a very slippery slope. Protect us from what, precisely? Or, more to the point, what isn't the government supposed to "protect" us from? And where is our responsibility to protect ourselves? There is a reason the Preamble to the Constitution is written in general terms of the common good, and not in broad terms of "protection". But regardless...reducing the NCI's budget by 1% is a travesty, you're right. It should be 10%. Along with every single other government budget item. If cancer research is going to be adversely affected by a 1% decrease in the NCI's budget, the problem is that NCI is wasting too much damn money. You must be kidding if you believe the NCI can't make up a $40M cut out of a five billion dollar budget. And before you get stupid: I say the same thing routinely about other government programs. Particularly Defense and HUD. So don't go looking for some "pet program" you might think I might find painful to cut to give the money to NCI. I want 'em all cut. 825202[/snapback] Sure they are wasting money, they are government after all, what has the government ever done right! [sarcasim] Why stop at 10%? Why not abolish it altogether? Do you want to get rid of NASA? Really, cutting funding is killing people. We need to get funding to our brightest indivduals so they can help. Hell, you seem to like the internet, that came about because of government funded programs. Look how much that helped everyone and expanded the economy. The sooner we find a cure for cancer the better. Again, I wish the Conservatives, the 'free market utopians' would campaign on what you propose. And I'm not against the free market, but I know that government does work and should be funded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true_blue_bill Posted November 5, 2006 Author Share Posted November 5, 2006 Not really. I donate money from my own pocket for cancer research, given that I lost a member of my family to it, but it goes beyond that. Something someone retarded like you could probably never understand. 825205[/snapback] LOL, so you have a family member who died from cancer and you still want cancer research funding cut? And that makes ME the retard???? MORON! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 LOL, so you have a family member who died from cancer and you still want cancer research funding cut? And that makes ME the retard???? MORON! 825243[/snapback] No, like I said I donate out of my own pocket and would rather it be privately funded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true_blue_bill Posted November 5, 2006 Author Share Posted November 5, 2006 No, like I said I donate out of my own pocket and would rather it be privately funded. 825252[/snapback] Privately funded=underfunded Imagine if we privately funded the Iraq War? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meazza Posted November 5, 2006 Share Posted November 5, 2006 Privately funded=underfunded Imagine if we privately funded the Iraq War? 825258[/snapback] Wow, you seriously are a retard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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