MDH Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 I'm beginning to wonder how long Bowen is going to be out. If he's not available for a few weeks there's no way the team can cut Wire. Perhaps they stick Bowens on the PUP list and keep wire for 6 weeks. I also don't think they keep that many LBs and perhaps go with only 8 OL. They've made quite a deal about making sure the OL can each play multiple spots and the depth there is pretty weak. It would almost be a shame just to keep a warm body on the OL when there are some solid WRs that could contribute in multiple ways. Who is going to end up making a bigger impact on the game, the 9th OL or Andre Davis on special teams? I’d also hate to see Wilson go, the guy is young and has a lot of potential. I don’t think he’d help the team much this year but I can see him blossoming in a year or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrite Gal Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Here's my final roster version. I'm pretty confident in my list, except at the RB's and S's. I'm not sure how the offensive system is going to be using the FB's, nor do I know what's going on with the Bowen injury. My list is also a little light at OL (8 guys), but that's probably more a reflection of our geniune lack of talent there...plus only 7 get activated in any game... ROSTER (53): K Rian Lindell P Brian Moorman LS Mike Schneck QB JP Losman QB Kelly Holcomb QB Craig Nall RB Willis McGahee RB Lionel Gates RB Shaud Williams FB Alan Ricard FB Joe Burns WR Lee Evans WR Peerless Price WR Josh Reed WR Andre’ Davis WR Sam Aiken WR Roscoe Parrish TE Robert Royal TE Kevin Everett TE Ryan Neufeld T Mike Gandy T Jason Peters T Brad Butler G Tutan Reyes G Chris Villarial G Raymond Preston C Melvin Fowler C Justin Geisinger DE Aaron Schobel DE Chris Kelsay DE Ryan Denney DE Eric Powell DT Larry Tripplett DT Kyle Williams DT John McCargo DT Tim Anderson DT Lauvale Sape OLB Takeo Spikes OLB Angelo Crowell OLB Mario Haggan OLB Josh Stamer OLB Keith Ellison MLB London Fletcher-Baker MLB Joe Odom CB Nate Clements CB Terrence McGee CB Jabari Greer CB Eric King CB Ashton Youboty SS Donte Whitner SS Matt Bowen FS Troy Vincent FS Ko Simpson PRACTICE SQUAD (8): RB Fred Jackson WR George Wilson TE Brad Cieslak T Terrance Pennington G Aaron Merz DE Ryan Neill MLB John DiGiorgio FS Jim Leonhard CUTS (17): QB Craig Ochs (NFLE) QB Tory Woodbury (NFLE) RB Anthony Thomas FB Daimon Shelton FB Jon Goldsberry WR Jonathan Smith T Dylan McFarland (waived-injured) G Jason Thomas G Greg Jerman DE Jason Hall DT Jason Jefferson OLB Wendell Hunter MLB Liam Ezekiel CB Kiwaukee Thomas CB Eric Bassey SS Coy Wire FS Rashad Baker 759438[/snapback] In general, I like both your list and the marginally different one from Jay Rubeo which started this thread, however, I like your list a little better so I would go with it with the following small changes and observations. 1. A functional uncertainty is that I believe there are some limitation for qualifying for the PS basd on how many time you have been active as a player. I;m not sure as the CBA has been a moving target with a new one just adopted and I have yet to see how it is used over a season. In addition, the PS make-up has been changed so there now actually may be more fluidity of movement between the active roster and the PS. Yet there is a real $ difference in compensation between the PS which gives players ten of thousands of dollars to play this boys game and the NFL minimum which approaches $300K. The bottomline is that I am not even sure that Leonhard is a candidate for being on the PS. My guess is that what the Bills may do depends a lot on something none of us outside of the Bills docs and Marv knows for sure that I believe Bown is still injured and the Bills may have the ability to put him on the PUP list which would make him unavailable til after the 6th game. This would provide us with a spot to either keep Leonhard or more likely Baker (who pissed a lot of fans off by letting an INT slip through his hands for a nice Lions reception) just in case Vincent has hit the wall due to his age. 2. I like the fact that your list cuts Shelton who I can really do without as a pass catcher after a couple of drops of passes he should have caught this pre-season and an horrendous drop of a ball that hit his hands from Holcomb which became and INT last season. Yet, unfortunately, I am simply not sure enough of Ricard's physical condition as he was inactive for the last game to judge whether he can show the same talent he has shown as a blocker for the RB he showed in Balt. I think there are still options here even if Ricard cannot answer the bell if the braintrust judges that Burns provides enough ST upside and the vet skills and bulk to block at FB and i also like your list for keeping Neufeld who has a former H-back also provides another vet who can fill in at FB if we in fact cut Shelton. 3. I am torn between whether our #2 QB should be Nall or Holcomb, I'm glad that KH had a good game against Detroit because though he has never been good enought to be a consistent starter in this league his lomg career and episodes of good play should have allowed him to pick up the new offense for him quicker than he did. As best as I can guess, the Fairchild O will be relatively pass-happy but will emphsize short passes and RAC for big gains that would suit KH's experience to do good reads and throw shorter passes. I think many folks make a bad football judgementin concluding that being pass-happy means that your QB needs to make accurate deep throws all the time and that KH has never shown an ability to do that. However, I think what it really means is that the QB will need to throw deep as a change-up and the real deal is actually gonna be using a lot of relatively short passes. Even if one judges that KH has a rag arm (assessments of his arm weakness have been exagerrated on this board by repetitive insults. He does not have a strong arm at all but he is an NFL QB who can throw it long a few times a game which is all you need to make the RAC oriented O work). However, he simply did not pick up what is a new O for him well at all this pre-season and simply sucked until this last pre-season game. Nall's chances at competing with JP were ended by his early pre-season injury, but KH's bad play gave even an injured Nall a shot to take the #2 slot. Nall showed some promise, but he also showed a propensity to take some Brett Favre type risks which made for some nice throws at times, but also seemed to make for a couple of bad INTs. Its good that KH finally showed some good play, because I am quite happy to see KH be the first option we go to as a back-up but let both QBs know that their practices are important and they are still competing for a spot. i agree with Marv that if you have two starting QBs then you really have no starting QB. However, I have no problem with having 2 back-up QBs as long as I have 1 starter. Right now I give Holcomb the nod based on his final performance in pre-season but this decision may change if Nall calms down a bit and is productive in practice or KH falls apart in garbage time play which I am happy to give him if we get the chance (it is to be hoped because we are so far ahead). 4. Your OL set-up is fine by me but it shows the risk we are facing if (actually when) on of our starters goes down. I hope Butler has developed well enough that we can go with 3 T's but I doubt this has happened and the awful thing is that the inadequate to start at T and perhaps not worth much to simply give a starter a blow is the best we can do. i am looking very hard at the waiver wire and other team;s PS's for a tackle aswe need back-up T help badly or a lot of good luck. I suspect Villarial will be the starter most likely to make the injury question a when rather than an if and Preston should be fine to step in. The big problem is that Preston also appears to be our plan B at center. I am curious to see whather JMac actually sees something wrth working with from Jason Thomas who is currently a bak-up G on the deoth chart. It appears tnat original efforts which had Geisinger as the back-up C have not worked out as he is now behind Preston so I think he gets cut and or PS'ed if he is eligible for it. Upon review of the depth chart and what I could observe in the game (and i think all of our amateur OL observations though it is nice to hear what folks think I think even the fairly knowledgable sounding observations are no where near as worthwhile or as good as JMac's observations as far as the fine details. We can all see that Jerman is inadequate as a starter at any position, but this does not mean that JMac is making an unreasonable decision if he keeps this definitely inadequate player on the roster because he can give a blow or rest for several positions. My sense on the OL is we have a roster of: Gandy Reyes Fowler Villarial Peters Jerman Butler Pennington and probably some combination of Merz Geisinger Thomas on the PS and.or being inactive each game. Pennington probably makes the active roster as a drafted rookie but will be inactive for the most part. 5. I think either Powell or Sape does not make it from your DL list.. if the bills are comfortable that one of their DTs can line up at DE in a pinch I think they go with 3 DEs. If not then Powell makes it and the better player Sape goes unfortunately. I know jauron said the 53 best players make it, but if you are going to do a DL rotation we need 4 guys who can play DE so Powell may slime in. The other thing that I found interesting about the Lions game was that I noticed that Anderson was getting a lot of reps with the second team DL. Perhaps either Williams or McCargo has pushed him down the depth chart seriouly. 5. I just moticed you cut Thomas. Unless you have seen some good blitz-pickup, ST and end around blocking from Gates, i do not think his significantly better production as a runner will even allow him to beat out Thomas as a starter, much less push him off the roster. I think Shaud Williams is in greater danger of being cut than Thomas but perhaps his flexibility puts Burns in more danger or Ricard's injuries put him in more danger but I think we cut any of these 3 before we cut Thomas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fbzh2 Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Oh no! Not another loquacious epistle again from Pyrite Gal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrite Gal Posted September 2, 2006 Share Posted September 2, 2006 Oh no! Not another loquacious epistle again from Pyrite Gal 759715[/snapback] Yep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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