VABills Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 That's probably what was being coached. As he is supposed to have help over the top. Like I said earlier, experience is what the kid is lacking - it sure isn't athletic ability. As for turning his hips, he doesn't have any problem doing it when he's returning kicks. 255880[/snapback] It's different and maybe it's coaching but. But corners are not supposed to commit the hips until the receiver is even with them or the alternate route is blocked by his body. mcgee seems to want to commit his hips early. Some guys do it naturally, like Dion, even Clements does, others like Watson never learn. Mcgee has been in the NFL long enough that he should have learned by now. Like I said he is in my humble opinion better suited for nickel/dome or Free safety then having to be a corner on an island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 It's different and maybe it's coaching but. But corners are not supposed to commit the hips until the receiver is even with them or the alternate route is blocked by his body. mcgee seems to want to commit his hips early. Some guys do it naturally, like Dion, even Clements does, others like Watson never learn. Mcgee has been in the NFL long enough that he should have learned by now. Like I said he is in my humble opinion better suited for nickel/dome or Free safety then having to be a corner on an island. 255884[/snapback] He's been in the NFL long enough? Can't say I agree with that, especially considering where he played in college and last season he was forced in to a starting role with Ike Reese being his "help". He played better and better as the season went on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 He's been in the NFL long enough? Can't say I agree with that, especially considering where he played in college and last season he was forced in to a starting role with Ike Reese being his "help". He played better and better as the season went on. 255892[/snapback] Not sure what he faced NWS-Lousiana. But he is in his second year where he started most of last year and was the nickel the year before. We'll see. You guys are probably right, it probably is coaching, but it just seems like Winfield, Nate, and even Kenny Irvin never really had the issue of commit early on a receiver. Nate tends to jump routes and try to be a ball hawk, Winfield never was beat, but never seemed to make big plays either. Irvin seemed to be a little skittish and would get burned underneath, but that was the slack coaching style. Liek I said, to me it looks like Mcgee gets wrapped around himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Not sure what he faced NWS-Lousiana. But he is in his second year where he started most of last year and was the nickel the year before. We'll see. You guys are probably right, it probably is coaching, but it just seems like Winfield, Nate, and even Kenny Irvin never really had the issue of commit early on a receiver. Nate tends to jump routes and try to be a ball hawk, Winfield never was beat, but never seemed to make big plays either. Irvin seemed to be a little skittish and would get burned underneath, but that was the slack coaching style. Liek I said, to me it looks like Mcgee gets wrapped around himself. 255901[/snapback] To me it looks like he's overcompensating for not being mentally ready to play. I'll be very surprised if by the midway point of this season it hasn't "clicked" for him and he becomes pretty damn good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckeyeBill Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 You got to remember something... the Bills coaches are not stupid, and Vincient is one heck-of-a corner. We were on a potential playoff run, if McGee was not worthy of being the number 2 corner, Vincient would have stepped back into his own shoes. The coaches trust McGee. Playing with 3 probowlers in the secondary (TV, LM, NC) of course their gonna try to pick on McGee, but he holds his own. Also, he played against the best in the Probowl. I'm glad he got some playing time as corner in that game. Good for him. Look for McGee to be the real deal at Number 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted February 28, 2005 Share Posted February 28, 2005 You got to remember something... the Bills coaches are not stupid, and Vincient is one heck-of-a corner. We were on a potential playoff run, if McGee was not worthy of being the number 2 corner, Vincient would have stepped back into his own shoes. The coaches trust McGee. Playing with 3 probowlers in the secondary (TV, LM, NC) of course their gonna try to pick on McGee, but he holds his own. Also, he played against the best in the Probowl. I'm glad he got some playing time as corner in that game. Good for him. Look for McGee to be the real deal at Number 2. 255922[/snapback] Personally, I think you're right on McGee but I think the coaches thought McGee at corner/Vincent at safety/Reese in street clothes (not really but I wish) was ALOT stronger than Vincent at corner/Reese on the field for actual snaps/McGee in nickle. Hard to disagree after watching Reese sleepwalk through Sunday afternoons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seadog Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 You got to remember something... the Bills coaches are not stupid, and Vincient is one heck-of-a corner. We were on a potential playoff run, if McGee was not worthy of being the number 2 corner, Vincient would have stepped back into his own shoes. The coaches trust McGee. Playing with 3 probowlers in the secondary (TV, LM, NC) of course their gonna try to pick on McGee, but he holds his own. Also, he played against the best in the Probowl. I'm glad he got some playing time as corner in that game. Good for him. Look for McGee to be the real deal at Number 2. 255922[/snapback] I got to agree. I'm not sold on Vincent as our starting saftey and Mcgee as our #1 corner. I think the coaches must have been very desperate at saftey and maybe want to see what Mcgee has as a corner. Vincent is a Pro Bowl corner and i think that's where he sould line up, Mcgee #2. Finding a stud saftey in the draft or FA will be easier than a starting corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Why is everyone so down on McGee that they think he can't be a starting #2 Corner in this league or for this team. He had a REALLY rocky start, but he started to come into his own later in the season. I didn't see a lot of the same mistakes that i did in the first few games he started. While not a shut down corner i like what he brings to our Defense and think he has earned a starting spot. I agree we need more depth at Corner, but it seems that everyone is looking to land a FA corner or draft a corner so McGee can go back to being the nickle. Did i not see something during the last 6-8 weeks of the season where McGee played himself out of the starting lineup instead of into a solid #2 corner on our depth chart? Your thoughts...? 255638[/snapback] Here's my thoughts, McGee was a Pro Bowler because of his ability to return kick offs. Due to his size and wanting him to remain the primary kick off returnman I don't want him starting in the worry he might become hurt. While there's no doubt he could be a good #2, I think he better serves the team as a great KO return specialist and nickel back. As stated in an earlier thread I'd love him be another Allen Rossum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarthur31 Posted March 1, 2005 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Why is everyone so down on McGee that they think he can't be a starting #2 Corner in this league or for this team. He had a REALLY rocky start, but he started to come into his own later in the season. I didn't see a lot of the same mistakes that i did in the first few games he started. While not a shut down corner i like what he brings to our Defense and think he has earned a starting spot. I agree we need more depth at Corner, but it seems that everyone is looking to land a FA corner or draft a corner so McGee can go back to being the nickle. Did i not see something during the last 6-8 weeks of the season where McGee played himself out of the starting lineup instead of into a solid #2 corner on our depth chart? Your thoughts...? 255638[/snapback] I think he's a pretty good corner. He turned his season around in the second half. I really think he'll be better than Winfield was covering guys 1 on 1 someday but will never hit like him. If he can reproduce then he will be an upgrade over Vincent, IMO. We need to replace the safeties now becuz our starters are getting up there in age. Speed is something you don't want to lose here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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