Buffalo Bills Head Coach

[thewildrabbit]

Shanahan and Cowher don't want to coach here, even for 10 million a year...wow

 

Last time I looked Shanahan won SB's with John Elway and hasn't been back since. It took Elway three years to learn that west coast offense, the playbook has an enormous amount of plays in it. It is probably why Gruden couldn't get his QB's to function right away either. I wonder if Dan Snyder can wait 3 years to start winning?

 

It took Bill Cowher how many years of drafting before he found big ben, 14 years sound about right? So if appointed the new Bills head coach he would need to hire someone to run the offense because he doesn't know how.

 

I say screw those two, and anyone else who doesn't like Buffalo for whatever reason. Like Marv used to say, "when its to tough for them, its just right for us"!

 

I loved the cold weather and the effect on other teams,all those 90 era playoff games in the snow and cold and some Bills players not wearing sleeves, it was awesome.

 

The Bills need to find an astute offensive mind, someone who can actually teach a QB to progress rather then regress. Look at what has happened in Buffalo since the Jim Kelly years, the Bills offense has been 25th or worse an entire decade.

Jim Kelly had Ted Marchibroda to teach him, the same guy who taught Bert Jones. An Offensive coach with a positive history of bringing along a young QB is a must for this team.

 

I look at the guy who trained Drew Brees, the same guy who trained Phillip Rivers, the same guy who trained Joe Flacco. Jeez, with a track record like his I don't get why he isn't being looked at for head coach.

 

The Bills need a power running game for those wintry playoff days and a good passing game for those harsh winds in RW stadium. I look at the Ravens with envious eyes and wish the Bills had a power running game like theirs, a young QB like theirs, an O line like theirs.

 

 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Coac...am_Cameron.aspx

[BillsGuyInMalta]

I look at the guy who went 1-15 as a head coach.

[thewildrabbit]

I look at the guy who went 1-15 as a head coach.

I look at Jimmy Johnson at Dallas who also went 1-15 his first year!!!!!!!!!

 

How can you define someone who was only given one year to turn a team around, Shanahan just signed a five year contract. Besides, look at what the guy inherited from the previous head coach and GM.

 

 

I get a kick out of some posters who think you had better have a winning record the very first year, if that happens it is usually because the team was already good. It is what a coach does over a certain amount of time that defines them.

 

The Jets are good this year and have a really good running game because Manginni drafted that O line his first year there, wasn't he the one who drafted Darrelle Revis? The Dolphins went to the playoffs the year after Cameron left because they were able to bring in a journeyman QB that stayed healthy, what happened this year?

[Gugny]

Shanahan and Cowher don't want to coach here, even for 10 million a year...wow

 

Last time I looked Shanahan won SB's with John Elway and hasn't been back since. It took Elway three years to learn that west coast offense, the playbook has an enormous amount of plays in it. It is probably why Gruden couldn't get his QB's to function right away either. I wonder if Dan Snyder can wait 3 years to start winning?

 

It took Bill Cowher how many years of drafting before he found big ben, 14 years sound about right? So if appointed the new Bills head coach he would need to hire someone to run the offense because he doesn't know how.

 

I say screw those two, and anyone else who doesn't like Buffalo for whatever reason. Like Marv used to say, "when its to tough for them, its just right for us"!

 

I loved the cold weather and the effect on other teams,all those 90 era playoff games in the snow and cold and some Bills players not wearing sleeves, it was awesome.

 

The Bills need to find an astute offensive mind, someone who can actually teach a QB to progress rather then regress. Look at what has happened in Buffalo since the Jim Kelly years, the Bills offense has been 25th or worse an entire decade.

Jim Kelly had Ted Marchibroda to teach him, the same guy who taught Bert Jones. An Offensive coach with a positive history of bringing along a young QB is a must for this team.

 

I look at the guy who trained Drew Brees, the same guy who trained Phillip Rivers, the same guy who trained Joe Flacco. Jeez, with a track record like his I don't get why he isn't being looked at for head coach.

 

The Bills need a power running game for those wintry playoff days and a good passing game for those harsh winds in RW stadium. I look at the Ravens with envious eyes and wish the Bills had a power running game like theirs, a young QB like theirs, an O line like theirs.

 

 

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Coac...am_Cameron.aspx

 

I think Cameron has proven himself to be a great O.C. I just don't know if that can/will translate into being a successful H.C. I don't necessarily hold the 1-15 season against him. It's just that some guys are better suited to be Coordinators and not Head Coaches. He might very well be one of them.

[jester43]

No one knows whether either of them were offered ten million a year. Let's just get that out on the table right now. That number has been upchucked by the media and fans but that's as far as it goes.

 

As far as why the Bills would be spurned by a viable candidate? Three words: RALPH C WILSON. A really good coach would be justifiably reluctant at working for an owner who is clearly in the early-to-middle stages of age-related dementia. I mean, COME ON, can we just be honest about this? If you had options, would you CHOOSE to work for a guy who has Russ Brandon stick his head out the window once a week so he can figure out what flavor of **** sandwich he should feed his naïve fan base? Would you choose to work for a guy who had his lackey make a list of GM candidates, then throw it in the garbage because "we didn't really know those guys" and then pick between his two closest yes-men?

 

If you could pick, you would not choose to work for an impulsive senile person. You just wouldn't. And I predict that when Ralph goes you're going to hear stories that will make "The Madness of King George" sound like a fairy tale.

[Lori]

I look at Jimmy Johnson at Dallas who also went 1-15 his first year!!!!!!!!!

 

How can you define someone who was only given one year to turn a team around, Shanahan just signed a five year contract. Besides, look at what the guy inherited from the previous head coach and GM.

Johnson was handed a 3-13 team with both off/def ranked outside the top 20, and drafted/played a rookie QB. Cameron took over a 6-10 squad, used the #1 on Ted Ginn, and managed to turn a D that finished in the top 5 the year before into a unit that allowed a franchise-worst 437 points.

 

Advantage, Pig-Faced Satan. Cameron: decent-to-good OC, but underwhelming as a HC dating back to his days at Indiana.

[Gugny]

No one knows whether either of them were offered ten million a year. Let's just get that out on the table right now. That number has been upchucked by the media and fans but that's as far as it goes.

 

As far as why the Bills would be spurned by a viable candidate? Three words: RALPH C WILSON. A really good coach would be justifiably reluctant at working for an owner who is clearly in the early-to-middle stages of age-related dementia. I mean, COME ON, can we just be honest about this? If you had options, would you CHOOSE to work for a guy who has Russ Brandon stick his head out the window once a week so he can figure out what flavor of **** sandwich he should feed his naïve fan base? Would you choose to work for a guy who had his lackey make a list of GM candidates, then throw it in the garbage because "we didn't really know those guys" and then pick between his two closest yes-men?

 

If you could pick, you would not choose to work for an impulsive senile person. You just wouldn't. And I predict that when Ralph goes you're going to hear stories that will make "The Madness of King George" sound like a fairy tale.

This is perfect. Sad, a little harsh, and 100% true. I'd like to see someone try to debate it.

[BillsGuyInMalta]

I look at Jimmy Johnson at Dallas who also went 1-15 his first year!!!!!!!!!

 

How can you define someone who was only given one year to turn a team around, Shanahan just signed a five year contract. Besides, look at what the guy inherited from the previous head coach and GM.

 

 

I get a kick out of some posters who think you had better have a winning record the very first year, if that happens it is usually because the team was already good. It is what a coach does over a certain amount of time that defines them.

 

The Jets are good this year and have a really good running game because Manginni drafted that O line his first year there, wasn't he the one who drafted Darrelle Revis? The Dolphins went to the playoffs the year after Cameron left because they were able to bring in a journeyman QB that stayed healthy, what happened this year?

If you want to take this further, one would argue that Cameron was a terrible head coach in the college ranks when he had his shot as well. Working with Indiana, the guy went 18-37 in his career with 0 National Championships and 0 bowl appearances.

 

Jimmy Johnson, who also went 1-15 his first year as an NFL head coach, had a 52-9 overall record and a National Championship to his credit while working in the college ranks.

 

Cameron is a great coordinator, no question about it and is someone I would love to see in Buffalo as a coordinator. But they guy just doesn't seem to be cut out for a head coaching job.

[thewildrabbit]

Johnson was handed a 3-13 team with both off/def ranked outside the top 20, and drafted/played a rookie QB. Cameron took over a 6-10 squad, used the #1 on Ted Ginn, and managed to turn a D that finished in the top 5 the year before into a unit that allowed a franchise-worst 437 points.

 

Advantage, Pig-Faced Satan. Cameron: decent-to-good OC, but underwhelming as a HC dating back to his days at Indiana.

 

Talk with Dom Capers about his defense while at Miami, his D allowed those points.

 

True, Cameron drafted Ted Ginn and John Beck, but can you honestly tell me HE drafted them and not the GM?

 

I just look at the guys history of bringing along young QB's and think... man, can the Buffalo Bills use some of that.

Yea, the Bills would need to hire a good DC and let Cameron run the offense. I think the guy deserves a shot over Billick, JMO I'd have to think he would love to play the Dolphins 2x a year.

[Lori]

Talk with Dom Capers about his defense while at Miami, his D allowed those points.

 

True, Cameron drafted Ted Ginn and John Beck, but can you honestly tell me HE drafted them and not the GM?

 

I just look at the guys history of bringing along young QB's and think... man, can the Buffalo Bills use some of that.

Yea, the Bills would need to hire a good DC and let Cameron run the offense. I think the guy deserves a shot over Billick, JMO I'd have to think he would love to play the Dolphins 2x a year.

Capers was there the year before Cameron arrived, and the D was decent. So what happened to change that?

[thewildrabbit]

Show me another offensive minded coach that has developed THREE great QB's in the last 8 years and I'll back that guy also...

[bartshan-83]

I'd have to think he would love to play the Dolphins 2x a year.

I think Dolphins would love to play him 2x a year.

 

I'm sorry...the guy might have had some bad luck in Miami, but that year was so abysmal that I couldn't imagine giving him a shot especially seeing how we have struck out 3 times in a row.

[Gugny]

Show me another offensive minded coach that has developed THREE great QB's in the last 8 years and I'll back that guy also...

Who are the 3 great QBs Cameron developed?

[evilbuffalobob]

Some good points- which is why I will bring up the name Jim Haslett. Why the man gets such a bad rap- I don't know, nor care. I like him.

 

The point I will ad is... how do you feel about an individual such as Jim Haslett, a former Bill, who would love to have this job, who would bring an uncommon level of enthusiasm and appreciation for this position? Despite mediocre success, aside from his NFL Coach of the Year season, I think it stands to reason that he would bring a little more to this table- versus N.O and St. L.

 

To these other guys- it's just a job. If they don't want to be here and/or if we have to sell the ranch to get them, then FK 'em... I'm sick of Buffalo being put down.

[thewildrabbit]

Capers was there the year before Cameron arrived, and the D was decent. So what happened to change that?

Like I said, ask Dom Capers about that because it was his defense.

 

Kinda tough for me to believe Cameron didn't have his hands full with the offense. They started the season with Trent Green as the starter and ended with Cleo Lemon and the rookie running the offense.

 

Clearly the GM stunk it up pretty good also, Randy Mueller who was also given his new role that year to control personnel !!! 12 new coaches and 12+ new players on the team didn't leave him much cohesion.

 

 

 

 

 

Cleo Lemon

[tecmobowlbills]

Anyone think that Fewell has a shot at the head coaching job? I for one will be pissed if he gets it.

[Gugny]

Anyone think that Fewell has a shot at the head coaching job? I for one will be pissed if he gets it.

Yes. At Ridgemont High. Spicoli is the O.C.

[tennesseeboy]

I like Fewell, but I think we need a turn-around specialist and only two coaching candidates come to mind. Schottenheimer and Billick. From a "who could do the job" point of view Schottenheimer has dealt with cold weather teams, has a run first, ball control mindset and has taken bad teams into playoff contention.

 

If we can't get either of these two Fewell seems like a serious candidate, but I have reservations about a defensive co-ordinator taking on the job of making something out of our anemic (to be generous) offense.

 

Marty ball is looking good to me.

[thewildrabbit]

Some good points- which is why I will bring up the name Jim Haslett. Why the man gets such a bad rap- I don't know, nor care. I like him.

 

The point I will ad is... how do you feel about an individual such as Jim Haslett, a former Bill, who would love to have this job, who would bring an uncommon level of enthusiasm and appreciation for this position? Despite mediocre success, aside from his NFL Coach of the Year season, I think it stands to reason that he would bring a little more to this table- versus N.O and St. L.

 

To these other guys- it's just a job. If they don't want to be here and/or if we have to sell the ranch to get them, then FK 'em... I'm sick of Buffalo being put down.

 

Did you even read my post about the Bills horrific offensive problems over the last ten years?

 

Then you state you would like Haslett as head coach because he is a person "who would bring an uncommon level of enthusiasm and appreciation for this position" . And you know this how?

 

Haslett would do no better then Dick Jauron IMO, no matter how much he likes Buffalo he doesn't know how to develop a QB.

[Gugny]

Did you even read my post about the Bills horrific offensive problems over the last ten years?

 

Then you state you would like Haslett as head coach because he is a person "who would bring an uncommon level of enthusiasm and appreciation for this position" . And you know this how?

 

Haslett would do no better then Dick Jauron IMO, no matter how much he likes Buffalo he doesn't know how to develop a QB.

Wasn't Sam Wyche, a proven success story at QB development, brought in at one time to do that? How'd that go?

 

It's not the head coach's job to develop QBs, and Cam Cameron is already employed as an O.C.