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2 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:
I swear. Most Bills fans are like whipped dogs.
What's funny and sad is I agree with you. I literally said "I'm broken" in an above post with ample evidence to support why.
It's curious people taking umbridge with my perspective aren't acknowledging the many hilarious and sad Bills failures against New England since high speed internet access.
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9 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:
SO surprised that the cheerios urinators are out in full force in this thread. There's been entirely too much fun had by fans this year. YOU SHOULD ALL CONTAIN YOUR ENTHUSIASM.
Starting 3-0 is bleak times?Crime in Italy, man, grow a pair.
I meant like, in our actual world at large.
3-0 is fun or whatever.
Just beat Tennessee and 4-1 at the bye.
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1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said:
But they also played the 3 worst teams in the NFL. They have yet to play a team at the Bills level. But Simon, along with many here, are willing to roll over without a fight. You know what the Patriots record is against this 2019 Bills team? 0-0!
I appreciate the positivity. It's admirable in these bleak times. I really mean that.
Just speaking for myself here, I've been burned too many damn times by Greek-tragic level near-wins and close losses to this team to ever think it's gonna get better. Sorry man. I don't know what else to say.
There's this depressing play:
And this one:
And this one - cue to 3:15
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000093727/GameDay-Bills-vs-Patriots-highlights
And these are just simply off the top of my head. We could do a full draft of "Horrific Ways to Lose to the Patriots" games. It's ENDLESS.
I'm broken, dawg. I can't be hopeful with this game anymore. My brain literally cannot comprehend the concept of a winning outcome.
There's freedom in hopelessness. I'm 32. Brady has been dominating my team since I was 14 years old. It will never end.
Someone explain to me why I shouldn't think like this. I'm not even being sarcastic. It's toxic.
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I don't know what Sal's getting at here.
Howard is right. It's likely, if not indeed certain, the Patriots will win. They are 7 point favorites for a reason.
Howard's job, and any person who's job it is to be objective about sports, is to be RIGHT. He may WANT the Bills to win. We all WANT the Bills to win. But wanting it, and expecting it are two different things.
It's RIGHT to say the Bills are likely to lose the game.
"Conceding the game" as some sort of biting critique is nonsense. The Patriots are objectively the better team in every statistical category, this season. Take history out of the formula, and the Patriots remain the favorite.
I'll never understand "fans" calling other people out for being right. It's not "hating your team" for being objective. We'd all stand to be more objective about our place in life. You're not a hater, you're not a jerk, you're not a bandwagon fan for being right. I'd love to be wrong about this. I want the Bills to win. Can people on this board appreciate nuance?
I value objectivity, fact-based opinion, and accurate predictions over blatant, embarrassing "whatever bro #BillsMafia" fandom. Tell me the truth. Our country is falling the ***** apart because people don't want to hear, read, or consume the truth.
Walter Cronkite helped end Vietnam because he told the truth. We need more Walter Cronkites.
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I'd agree. The fact that a team that was outscored 102-10 is still going with Fitz at QB can't bode well for Rosen's chances. Or it could simply be the Dolphins are terrible and don't want Rosen getting destroyed every play.
But as it stands, it's hard to argue with the list as is.
Rudolph's getting the rest of 2019 to show his stuff, and he looked pretty good yesterday. The AFC may be wide open, should the Bills keep winning.
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So many fans are so afraid of change. It is telling.
I'd absolutely lobby for 2 conferences, open field/round robin style. It forces teams to actually play all of the competition, and would likely create more "just" results ie: the best teams tend to be ranked top to bottom. Isn't that what we want?
This will NEVER happen, but there should be some sort of equivalent promotion/relegation system too. There needs to be a system that disincentivizes tanking for high draft picks. Especially since it seems so often the same 5 teams are always drafting in the top 5, and don't seem to actually improve.
I want even competition, that would likely create entertaining games with few blowouts. In order to do this, you can't have Buffalo playing New England twice a year. The Bills, along with Cleveland, Jax, and some others, are de facto minor league teams anyway. Why not just recognize that and embrace it?
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Again, don't be surprised if training camp slowly devolves to a completely closed, team only event.
The Eagles have only 1 open practice for fans this year. 1!
The NFL doesn't care about its fans the way we think they do. I
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1 hour ago, eball said:
Yep, they're doing the minimal required until the contract is done. Since I don't live up there it doesn't matter to me either way, but I completely understand wanting to keep camp in Orchard Park given what they've done to enhance the facilities there.
Probably right. $20 million for a state of the art indoor training/rehab room needs to be used as much as possible.
The team is barely in Rochester more than a week now. It's not worth all the work.Who's getting off of work to drive to Rochester bright and early, to watch your team shuffle around on the field for 90 minutes? The night workouts at least had some flare, some pizzazz. Go downtown, get dinner, make a night of it. Now McDermott's "night practice" at 6:15 pm in early August is back at OBD.
Training Camp as an entertainment product is no longer any sort of event. It's just an obligatory thing to appease corporate sponsors Connors & Ferris.
Futhermore, the SJF campus is NOT welcoming to fans. Come on, you can't even park in their dozens of lots in the middle of summer when there's no regular classes? You have to drive 20 minutes away in a public school lot to wait in line for a bus, to wait in line to get in, to not get a seat, to stand over a hill, to sorta see for 10 minutes. Practice is over. Drive home at 12 pm. it's pretty stupid, to be honest.
There's no middle ground either. Let's move it to, where? UB North? Why do that when you can just do it at One Bills Drive? Plenty of parking, fans can tailgate. Better sight lines.
Don't be surprised to see Training Camp eventually move back to Orchard Park, and even become fully closed practices. The team has 5 open practices in 11 days or whatever it is. You really need "tickets" to attend a workout at 9:45 AM on a Sunday?
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They're in a tough spot. Firing Housley will receive harsh criticism. "The Sabres are still paying Dan Bylsma not to coach and now they're doing the same for Housley" or something to that effect.
Keeping Housley will receive harsh criticism. "How can a team fail to win back to back games since December retain its coach and be taken seriously?"
They're in a lose-lose hopelessness spiral.
All I want from these people is honesty, which fans rarely receive.
Just what the hell ACTUALLY happened when Pat Lafontaine left in mystery following the 2014 trade deadline? Their organizational plan was flawed from the start.
Losing is hard enough on the fans. Having no real understanding of who is making what decisions is worse.
For instance, Tim Murray was a loose cannon and poorly represented the team, or did he? Paul Hamilton of WGR told the "I heard him chew up an NHL official in ear shot of the press box for all of us to hear" story at least 75 times after he was fired. Convenient that that story was never reported to fans WHILE HE WAS EMPLOYED BY THE TEAM. If I'm a paying customer, wouldnt I want to know the GM of my overpriced, ***** team is chewing officials out in public?
Rex Ryan was a hot head who did embarrassing crap like the Clemson helmet thing, despite having a decent team that had a positive point differential. So the team overcorrects and hires straight laced Sean McDermott, a family, faith, football Lifetime movie 2 dimensional character trope.
The whole thing is a toxic mess. They have no answers. It's completely hopeless. Until Brady retires there really is no hope here.
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23 minutes ago, RalphWilson'sNewWar said:
I would say the Mike Schoop is strictly a Numbers and Vegas Betting Line Guy. That is how he presents himself. He actually owns that he doesn’t attempt to try to be be or learn the X’s and O’s.
so I completely can see how a guy whose opinions are dirived solely from spreadsheets and Vegas woudl irk people.the optics of it aren’t great either
It's a way to appear objective in the eyes of people who profiteer off of correct predictions. Vegas is cold, unapologetic, and oftentimes, painfully accurate. The stories of "sports books lost $750,000 on X game" last week are stories simply because sports books losing money is a rarity. They profit because they are correct almost all of the time.
Bills fans will complain when Vegas has the Bills as heavy underdogs, or a poor preseason Win/Loss record. "No one respects the Bills". "Hey here's another media idiot bagging on Buffalo". We're all so defensive about our loser football team. We're not losers because the Bills are losers! And yes, they ARE losers. Per ProFootballReference.com - Record (W-L-T): 415-477-8. #SorryNotSorry.
Are you willing to bet your income that the Bills WILL win more than 8 games? I'm not. I don't gamble, but I must honestly say it's hard to put your money where your mouth is until we see consistent success.
What Mike Schopp tries to do EVERY DAY his mic turns on is be right, and be objective. It's RIGHT to say "The Bills are unlikely to make the playoffs". Some of this is NOT their fault. It's a function of living in the hopelessness of the AFC East. He is paid to be RIGHT not a fan. Does this make sense?
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3 hours ago, cwater10 said:
Your question may have been best answered by Roger Waters and David Gilmour in 1979
"I don't need no arms around me
And I dont need no drugs to calm me.
I have seen the writing on the wall.
Don't think I need anything at all.
No! Don't think I'll need anything at all.
All in all it was all just bricks in the wall.
All in all you were all just bricks in the wall."
It was easily the most dispiriting time ever to be a Bills fan. The drought of 2000 -2017 was mind numbing mediocrity for the most part. This was something quite different. For Baby Boomer Bills fans, the 10 year period from 1976 - 1986, the experience of waking up every day to read the Courier Express, watching a 4 minute local sports report (or 3) every evening, just trying to live the good life of being a Bills fan, was brutal. And strangely, it was also wonderful. It was, as Marv would eventually say, exactly where and when we wanted to be. It was like a twisted dream that drew on emotions that would have been expected from... let's say: The Great Depression, Woodstock, and some other horrific historical reference that was so inhumane, that a football metaphor would be completely and irresistibly inappropriate for. By the time Jim opted for the USFL and declared that being drafted by Buffalo made him cry, it was just another brick in the wall. Still, it somehow made viscous cosmic sense to Bills fans just like losing that 4th Super Bowl did.
In 1976, we came crashing to earth from the euphoric ride of the OJ era. First OJ held out and demanded to be traded to LA. Then, on the eve of the opener, he signed with Buffalo once again, and all seemed normal. We all exhaled that the thrill ride of OJ would continue and at least the offense would keep us on the edge of our seats. After a 2-2 start, Fergy suffered a broken back somewhere in that haze, and they never won again. 2 -12 in 1976 led directly to 2-12 in 1977. OJ tore up his knee, and would never again be relevant (until he was again... in ways that we could not believe, until we had to believe it). Because of prior trades and expansion, those twin 2-12 finishes did not even net us a #1 overall pick. Instead we drafted Phil Dokes. Remember him? If you do, it's just scar tissue. If you don't, there is good reason.
Finally, 1979 brought us a good break and the OJ trade gifted us the #1 pick overall. After much fanfare, we selected a linebacker, Tom Cousineau from Ohio State. Cousineau was apparently a role model for future Buffalo highly drafted stars. He said thanks, but no thanks and opted to sign with the freakin' Montreal Allouettes of the CFL. Seriously... we lost the #1 overall pick to the CFL. Can you imagine the Twitter meltdown if that happened today? Yep, it was another brick in the wall to feed tortured Bills fans souls. More hemlock please!
Somehow the Bills landed on their feet and had a great draft anyway, landing foundational players in Jerry Butler, Fred Smerlas, Jim Haslett, Jeff Nixon and good depth in Rod Kush and Ken "Baby" Johnson. A pleasant 1979 turnaround to an encouraging 7 - 9 (sound familiar), actually did usher in a brief period of Woodstock like euphoria for Bills fans. 1980 began with breaking the Miami "curse" of the 1970's (0-20). The curse was every bit as vile in the 70's as "The Drought" was for modern day Bills fans. Soon the city was all singing "Talking Proud" and players were dancing and partying on field. Goal posts came down. Chuck Knox was the football messiah that we had been dreaming of. With the # 1 defense and Ferguson in a groove, Super Bowl dreams were real, even likely. And then more bricks.... Fergy with a gruesome ankle injury on the eve on the playoffs followed by an apparent playoff victory in San Diego blown up in shocking and sudden Billsy fashion as Rod Smith (who?) goes like 85 yards with a minute left. WTF? Another playoff season followed in 1981. 1982 arrived with promise of more playoff fun, and the Bills started 2-0 after a thrilling come from behind home victory over Minnesota on Thursday night. Times were good, right. Look out! INCOMING BRICKS!
At that point the NFL Players went on strike for a month or two, and nothing was ever the same for Bills fans. For added foreshadowing effect, 3 days after that thrilling Bills victory over Minnesota, the beloved Courier Express just went out of business. The player strike followed a day later. Bricks everywhere! When the smoke cleared the Bills were a mess and just tanked the rest of the abbreviated season. After the season ended in misery, Chuck Knox said "get me outta here" and decided that Seattle would be a nice place to live. An angry Joe Cribbs would soon decide to spend what seemed like an eternity demanding more money or a trade, while checking in daily with reporters from "his mother's home in Sulligent, Alabama", instead of on the field with The Bills. He would soon take his talents to Birmingham, Alabama of the USFL. One last ray of hope was that The Bills had recouped some measure of compensation for the Tom Cousineau debacle in the form of an extra first round pick in the upcoming draft when Cousineau decided that The CFL was not so cool and he wanted back into the NFL. Buffalo traded his rights to Cleveland for a first. Yes, Cleveland Rocks!
That pick, of course, became Jim Kelly. A moment of silence to digest the kick in the gut that we all felt when, almost on queue, Kelly turned around and pulled a "Cousineau" and refused to come to town. It really was the final brick in the wall. 1984 brought 2-14. 1985 brought 2-14. Darcy Regier never imagined this kind of suffering.
So, in summary... for those of you that were not around, don't remember or maybe don't care, this should give you a sense of why we lined the streets in welcome when Kelly finally came to town in 1986. The 4 Super Bowls that followed were so great and so Buffalo! I would not have missed a minute of any of this.
God bless Tim Russert's soul, and "GO BILLS!"
Wow, and I thought we Millennials had it bad with the 2000's drought.
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2 hours ago, Captain Murica said:
He has to be the only Sox fan that does that. No true Sox or Yankees would root for the other after losing to them. As a Mets fan that'd be like me rooting for the Phillies, Braves, Nats, Marlins. Hell, I still despise the Giants and Dodgers, so, I root against them as well. One of the best elements of being a fan of a team is also having villains that go against your team of interest. It's fun to root against in our perceived minds the "bad guy".
Personally, I don't like the Pats mainly due to their fans along with the Jets, Phins, Cowgirls, and Giants. We have some pats fans that dwell here and they come across as condescending when talking to the Bills fans just because their team has been dominant it's almost as they feel whatever they a spew out their pie hole is gold, and since our team has been doo doo butter for the past 18 years we have no clue.
But, let's be real for second the entire division has been shot. The closest thing to a franchise QB during the Brady/BB era has been Chad Pennington, and maybe one yeah of Bledsoe with us in 2002. Yet, he still couldn't get it done in 2004 with that defense.
That graphic embodies nearly the entirety of my football watching life. I'm 31, so Brady started dominating the AFC East when I was a freshman in high school.
It's effectively what abject football hopelessness feels like. Tell me again why NFL divisional realignment is a bad idea? Why have divisions at all? If every team in the AFC played every other team, I think the playoff matchups would be a lot different.
Let's have some fun with two distinct football conferences/identities. There could be separate rules for AFC/NFC, like the DH in the American League.
Every team plays each other once, 15 games. Then you face one NFC team a year, based on ranking, like overall points for/points against/record, whatever.
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1 hour ago, May Day 10 said:
Since Donahoe, Bills purposely muddied the management structure so accountability of the media and fans was always scatter-shot. When things got too hot, they would simply sacrifice someone, much of the blame for the bad moves would go out with that individual, and everyone remaining would take a half step to the left with a slightly different job title or promotion.
Decisions were absolutely made by Brandon, Littman, Overdorf, Ralph, Whaley, Rex, Jauron, Modrak, Guy, Pegulas, Pegulas' dog, and god knows who else. They suffered for years from not having a centralized power structure, and if it was centralized, it was on Russ Brandon for years. Whaley would have probably done his NFL career some good if he resigned. Maybe he knew that this job was his only shot he would ever get at GM?
We really do not know what we had with Whaley, as the team had such a collaborative philosophy and information about who made what decisions were so overlapped and foggy. I do know his public persona on camera and behind a mic was pretty poor, and listening to him, he doesn't seem like a leader of an organization, nor a guy who is detail oriented to a fault. You listen to Beane, McDermott, Botterill, etc and a number of other executives and even modern day NFL coaches and they come off so well put together. Whaley and Tim Murray are basically scouts upjumped to General Managers, they sounded like scouts publicly, and I do not see either of them holding an NFL or NHL GM job again.
Well put. Again, this remains Ralph Wilson's biggest scar on his legacy, in my opinion.
The team also restricted access to these people to a point where there was limited to no oversight from "the fourth branch of government".
It's frustrating not one outlet, from The Buffalo News, WGR, or any local TV stations ever once did the "who are any of these people?" feature.
We talk a lot about what fans are "owed" from their perennially losing pro sports franchises. All I want is honesty, which we never get.
Not to pivot, but whatever the hell happened on July 1st, 2007 with the Sabres? It's been 12 years. Chris Drury SHOULD speak on the record to the fans. It's more than deserved. The Sabres have not recovered from that fateful day. The least they could do is get us closure.
To this day, there's not 1 quote on record from the former Sabres captain about it. This is abhorrent.
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On 1/1/2019 at 11:40 PM, Straight Hucklebuck said:
I think the key in all of this was Whaley didn’t have the whole scope/vision of what a GM had to do. First he was never the face of the franchise, Russ was, then Marrone. He didn’t pick any of the three coaches (Gailey, Marrone or Rex - Pegula’s fell in love with him). I don’t think the upper management ever really gave him 100% control of the organization on the football side.
Two, in those days Overdorf managed all the contracts, Whaley had no say in any of that. He didn’t know the in and out. Whaley existed in the final days of the Ralph Wilson dysfunction with Littman, Russ, Berchold, Overdorf, and then new ownership came in and he was forced down another peg.
This is so spot on.
The post Mularkey era was peak walking corpse level Ralph. Not to denigrate the man's frailty, more so symptomatic of an unwillingness to address the future of his team while he was alive and more capable of making decisions.
So in walk Ralph's cadre of self-interested sycophants, eager to absolve themselves of any blame for the team's many failures while also somehow remain employed at executive level income.
It frustrates me that to this day, we still don't honestly know who made what terrible decisions.
Who traded Jason Peters? Was it Russ Brandon? Or Jim Overdorf?
Who drafted Aaron Maybin? Was it Jauron, Modrak?
The team was either incapable or incompetent in their ability to explain who is in power, with what responsibilities, and with whom they report. Modrak, Guy, Overdorf, Brandon, Berchtold. Who are these people, what are their qualifications, and why do they work for you, Ralph?
This remains a great scar on Wilson's legacy, and the team remains weak at several positions because of damaging decisions from over a decade ago.
The Bills traded a Hall of Fame left tackle in the prime of his career who IS STILL PLAYING AT AN ELITE LEVEL NOW.
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18 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:
The number 1 most important thing for any QB to develop is: Opportunity.
Once Marrone decided to play Orton because he wanted a Vet, EJ lost his chance to be a young QB who will be afforded the opportunity to make mistakes and grow from it.
He was thrown out there before he was ready and yetshowed some promise. Then despite being 2-2 he had his opportunity taken from him because Marrone wanted to start a bad vet. Funny, he stubbornly stuck with another bad bet in Jax too despite there being several upgrades available since him being there.
By the time EJ got another opportunity two things happened. Rex got who had been the apple of his eye for several years, and that was Tyrod. EJ out played Tyrod that preseason yet still didn’t get the job. So now EJ still hasn’t gotten another opportunity, and confidence is surely being affected as well. But from this point on, he has NO ROOM for mistakes. He can’t make a mistake, review film, and improve anymore. Now he makes a mistake and doesn’t get to play anymore.
So for me, what damaged him the most was the loss of the opportunity to go out and both make good and bad plays without losing his chance to keep playing. Doesn’t mean he would have ever gotten there, but I think there is definite reason to believe his development was significantly impacted negatively by losing his chance early to play and learn from the good and the bad plays.
This is also true. It's always seemed like from literally Day 1 Marrone and Whaley weren't on the same page. Since we NEVER get true answers as to who makes decisions, why they were made, and with what input, we're all left to speculate and read between lines in reports from years later. As if any of this information would hurt them in anyway, and only help to repair a maligned relationship between the fans and the team. What a thought.
It's frustrating. Who drafted Aaron Maybin? Was it Modrak? Jauron? Brandon? There is an answer to this question. The Bills simply will NEVER answer it. Who cut Troy Vincent? Was it Jim Overdorf? Again, who are these people, what are their qualifications, why did they make these decisions, who is making these decisions, and why? It's actually quite simple.
It's a combination of lack of overall leadership at the very top, this being 2013 and at the very end of Ralph's life. Russ Brandon is given full control of the team in January, 2013, and he hires Marrone, what, 5 days after an "exhaustive" search. So this dude that WE HAD TO HAVE doesn't have any actual say in the football players his GM is drafting?
So heading into a full-scale rebuild, and every one knows they're gonna address QB in April of 2013, and the guy that could help reset the future of the franchise is just some average schlub the coach didn't really like or want? How is that a way to build a program? It's Marrone's rookie head coaching season, with a rookie QB, and rookie playcaller. And NONE of them are ever on the same page.
Irrespective of Manuel's (many) flaws, this is just a terrible way to build a professional football program.
It's a combination of a LOT of problems. But Ralph's cadre of self-interested sycophants at the top made the drought insurmountably worse. Modrak, Jauron, Guy, Jim Overdorf, Brandon, et cetera. WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? We still literally don't know, to this day, what any of those people did. Isn't this a problem?
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It's a frustrating labor of self-inflicted pain. To be a Buffalo sports fan is to experience pain. There is simply no other way to explain. We choose to experience pain on a daily, weekly, yearly basis. It is unhealthy.
I think some fans, myself included, were cautiously optimistic that McDermott and co could build something, but this crucifixion to "in Buffalo, you have to run the ball", play defense, keep it close mantra is stale, old, and quite frankly poor strategy.
Other teams use the passing rules to their advantage. How often are we gonna see Brady on a 3rd and 4 throw deep, incomplete, and draw a holding or PI? This rarely happens to the Bills.
Until we have a management and coaching staff in place that understands the present and future of this sport is in the passing game, they're never really gonna be any good.
Sure, you wanna win close games, go 7-9 every year? (Hey at least we're not the Browns right?) I define "any good" as winning division titles, winning playoff games, hosting playoff games, and winning championships. I do not have confidence the Jauron-ball of run, punt, kick FGs, hold to FGs and maybe win 18-13 in the end is sound long term strategy.
As an entertainment product, the Bills are sorely behind. Simply "being an NFL team" is not enough for a generation of consumers used to click, click, fun. More people watch other people play video games than watched the Stanley Cup Finals. Sports is aging fast, folks. Its all coming to an end soon enough.
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It's all about potential for revenue.
The Bills fall behind because they only charge so much, as we all know Bills tickets remain among the cheapest in the league
The "answer" gets murkier when we widdle down, a) who and how will this be paid for, b) what kind of stadium do we (meaning Buffalo taxpayers) want vs what the NFL wants, and c) location, infrastructure and mixed use capabilities.
The league wants Buffalo to get a new stadium so they can charge more money and make more money for themselves, and thus increase Buffalo's valuation and the overall league as well.
This is monetarily impossible with the current stadium. Its as renovated as it can be barring a complete retrofit/overall that would take years, and that possibility raises further logistical issues, namely, where does Buffalo play while under construction.
So there remains a disconnect between local public opinion, spending money, and what the NFL fully expects Bills ownership to accomplish in the next 5-10 years.
Buffalo will get a new stadium folks, it's just a matter of when.
This will test and strain the market's ability to support the team like never before.
I fully expect the overall gameday experience to change for what most Bills game attendees would consider for the worst.
If you want a team, how much are you willing to pay for it?
This is by no means me arguing that taxpayer funded stadia is a good thing. It's just unfortunately the price of doing business in the 21st century NFL.
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Anyone have a quick-hits version of the article?
Highlights/notable quotes, etc?
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12 hours ago, tumaro02 said:
I can't ever remember in my many years of life had my thoughts characterized as being ridiculous. But now being blessed by your very superior intellect I see you as a bastion of correct thought: a master of common sense: the epitome of name calling. A very great human being sic. Everyone has a right to their opinion for sure. Since you are not a Bills fan (Allen is THEIR QB) you are on the wrong forum. For that I will forgive your arrogant remark. I am a Josh Allen supporter and have been since before the draft. I defend him when he gets slammed and roasted. Time will tell. If you believe whatever the media says because you believe them as being "honest" beware...
MAGA, bro.
Also, I too am a Bills fan and can post whenever I want to.
I said your argument is ridiculous, the non-gender specific identifier "this", not "you" are ridiculous.
So no, I didn't resort to name calling. I simply pointed out how completely ridiculous claiming you can no longer be a fan of your team if one preferred they select one player over another.
To be fair, you still haven't addressed my original criticism. I am a Bills fan, and preferred Josh Rosen.
According to "tumaro02" that means I can or cannot root for their success, or not?
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On 8/4/2018 at 11:02 PM, tumaro02 said:
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7. Allen also suffers from the "Allen derangement disorder" by many Bills fans and local media. Even Howard Simon who was "disappointed" by the pick at first claims to have come around to "support" the pick. But his next words talk about Allen's accuracy issues, footwork needs, and every other slam Allen has gotten from the pro "Rosen" supporters. Comical.
On 8/4/2018 at 11:02 PM, tumaro02 said:8. Allen has been a trooper throughout when I would seriously question his head coach's motives and treatment. He has not "demanded" to be a starter which others have slammed as an indictment of Allen's drive.
9. Allen cannot win until he wins the starting job, games, playoff games, and then Superbowl if that can ever happen. He will always have his "should have been Rosen" critics, and all types of critics with agendas largely because his head coach in very naive fashion allowed him to continually get criticized for everything he does. If I were Allen I would call out his coach for his "cute little plan" that allows constant criticism of him. He has kept quiet however and let his head coach look like a smirking clown IMO.
This is ridiculous.
Criticizing a media member for being honest about his reservations is not "derangement disorder". It's being honest. You can support a team and still be objective and disagree with their decisions or opinions.
I'm a Rosen supporter. Sorry, uh, "Rosen" supporter. I'm not expecting Allen to fail, but I'm not very confident he will.
But does that mean I can't root for my team now that Allen is their QB?
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1 hour ago, brianthomas said:
Maybe 10 years ago I was in the camp of lets build a new stadium downtown, it'll help bring back the city.
But now I think it just makes more sense to upgrade the current one.
Our Country is bankrupt, our State is essentially bankrupt. We could spend billions on a new stadium but it just seems like a colossal waste of money, for a stadium only used 8 Sundays a season. Yes it could be mixed use & it would have to be. But for a city like Buffalo I just don't think it makes much sense at this point.
This is essentially correct. All of the research backs the conclusion that taxpayer funded stadia rarely results in a boon to taxpayers.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/sports-jobs-taxes-are-new-stadiums-worth-the-cost/
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/10/how-the-nfl-fleeces-taxpayers/309448/
Buffalo is in a tough spot. They have stable, well-funded ownership that's committed to infrastructural, societal, and cultural improvements of the western New York market.
However, the profit margins are very slim on a market with limited corporate resources, and an exhausted pool of "regional" fans in Southern Ontario, Rochester, et cetera.This writer works in media, almost exclusively funded via advertising sales. Trust me when I say this, every single possible client that would have any money to spend, already does. There are only so many $100,000 Cellino & Barnes accounts to go around.
Effectively Buffalo has tapped out whatever advertising/sponsorship that they possibly can. There's no money left. And of course we always hear that Buffalo's tickets are among the cheapest consistently in the NFL.
It is ironic that the NFL has grown to be the most popular sport among the "big 4" North American sports using socialism - taxing the "rich" to give to the "poor"- ie - revenue sharing benefits from the big markets giving to the small markets. That the most profitable sport in the country can use tactics reviled by the political right is a dark and sad reality that rich, old, white men who don't want to pay any taxes have become older, richer, and whiter, via policies that are consistently touted as dangerous by hardcore conservative wonks.
The NFL wants Buffalo to build a new stadium so it can increase its profits, and ensure more money in the pool for all the teams. Football is based on a completely unsustainable business model. "Enough is never enough". They must always make more revenue than the season previous. At some point, supply will exceed demand. It's only a matter of time before sports fails just like the big banks. Give it another 15 years or so. We've already seen about a 10% decline in youth football enrollment. Once that generation of players comes of age, and we realize there just aren't enough talented players to sustain the product at its current entertainment price (billions a year for nearly every TV broadcaster), sports is done.
What does all this mean? I think eventually political leadership in NYS will cave and give the Pegulas (multi-billiionaires), their fancy new stadium, likely 80% give or take publicly funded.
It'll be touted as an economic "win" for Buffalo. Another notch in the massively over-hyped "Buffalo resurgence". Yet the results will be the same. It'll be a waste of government spending at the highest level.
If NYS spent $1 billion on a community center on the east side of the city that ended up being used 10 times a year, that would be an outrage at the highest level. Angry old white guy would cry from the highest mountain, or more appropriately, a microphone on WBEN, about how government only knows how to waste your money. Yet when a football team wastes your money on billionaires who can afford it, we're all ok with it, because we love the Bills for some stupid reason.
This is all very long and stupid. Ultimately, we all want our team, and we're gonna do whatever we can to keep them here. Give it 3 years and Pegula will start crying about "competitive balances", "market size", "profitability", "viability" and any stupid !@#$ing buzzword Russ Brandon kept touting before he finally got the boot.
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4 hours ago, colin said:
Tyrod regressed because we took away his Greggggg Roman O, which made colin Kap look like an all star. It was a pretty interesting system, with insane formations and a run game that kept the entire front 7 of the D guessing and resulted in huge run plays and provided some deep passing chances. it also lead to penalties, no rhythm, and plays took SOOOOO LONGGG to get in. 8 million formations and 35 substitutions per drive. the RB coach now in SD ran it better than roman did, but it was his creation.
anyhow, tyrod has huge limitations as a passer, and even tho some fans give him excuses comparing him to brees or whever from 15 years ago, passing production is up all around and tyrod just couldn't deliver because he struggles to read a d and make an accurate throw. he was IMO maybe the best QB ever at not turning it over tho, and ran well.
I look at tyrod as a perfect guy to add onto a team with a sick D, solid run game, and no passing O, because he make some plays out of thin air, but he can't work within the offensive system and implement a dynamic passing attack. I think houston 2 years ago when they had osweiler and savage at qb would have a shot at the chip with him, or some of the pre flacco baltimore teams, or even the jets in ryan's first days there. he's just too limited and we have seen what he can do, and more importantly what he cannot do.
He was also an awesome pro, great to his teammates, solid attitude, and a quiet type of leader. IMO he is the ideal back up QB for most any team because he can leg it out and will not make the bad turnover, but he simply cannot be relied upon to score, or even avoid killer 3 and outs in his own end.
we are going a totally different direction with the team now, with tyrod we more or less needed the opponents to incorrectly defend against us or make a big mistake so we could get a few big plays and we had trouble sustaining drives due to the lack of efficiency in passing. now that we are going all out stud talent at QB (and adding pieces like that on D) we are trying to have a team that can score against any D from any spot on the field (with a higher risk of turnovers). basically the opposite of the gregg roman tyrod bills, which was money in the redzone, but stalled out so often in key situations you wanted to pull your hair out.
i give tyrod a partial pass for last season, because the talent level on O fell off and the OC was junk and get his walking papers over it, but tyrod's flaws were just emphasized, and we saw the entire O just vanish for long stretches, including a frankly embarrassing string of games mid season.
What really frustrated me about the Bills offense, for the better part of the drought, but especially under Taylor was a lack of command and control.
If Bills fans were honest with themselves (a rarity), did you ever feel confident down 4 points with the ball under 2 minutes the Bills would go ahead?
I recall the '16 Miami game clearly, as the only situation where this was the case, and the Bills still failed to score in OT with 2 possessions to win!
He has maybe 2 impressive performances in 3 years starting, both losses. @ Sea, vs Miami in 16.
We're all so warped from years of tragic, heartbreaking defeats we all lose sight in the fact Taylor had plenty of opportunities to be the hero and failed almost always.
Here's to improving on the 31st passing offense, 181 yards/game. Laughable in NFL.
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23 hours ago, ndirish1978 said:
Times change. Remember when 411 was a thing and you had to pay per search for information you can get for free in about a second now? That's what these sports columnists at TBN are. They don't provide inside information, they just posted click-bait drivel to try and drive traffic to the site in order to justify getting paid for being professional trolls. Newspapers are/were important because they provided information to an uninformed public. Some time in the 90s when personality-driven content became the trendy thing a bunch of sports columnists stopped including insider info in their writing and decided to just make "hot takes" in order to grow their personal brands. People are no longer willing to pay for that crap. TBN sports desk doomed itself when it ostracized itself from the teams it covered and started getting scooped by the national media. I don't need a TBN sub to get Bills news, I just need a twitter feed. Why would I pay money to read poorly written troll pieces by Bucky and Sullivan? The only way for local journalists to maintain relevancy is to provide the local audience with information that national reporters don't have access to. TBN has failed in that and has only themselves to blame for it.
Points for nuance and creativity.
Some definite truths of the state of the media consumption business here.
As an employee of a corporate media company, I too am gravely concerned for the long term viability of "old media."
While social media is going nowhere, it was and will never be "free". We sell our data to the lowest bidder every time we click "agree to the terms and conditions".
Sometimes, paying for a product has merit too, and too few see the merit in "yesterday's news".
At its core, we are seeing the death of strong writing. Writing is a skill. A challenging one that requires effort, time and a knowledge of accepted rules.
Does The Stadium Wall need to follow the AP Style Guide 2018? No. Do we all need a Columbia or Missouri J school degree to post about or football team? No.
But it'd sure read better.
I think the ability to convey information, emotion, or opinion via poetry and prose is both a difficult and dying artform, with a very lax acceptable standard at very high levels of media production.
There ought be at least proper sentence structure in everyday written English.
Apparently none of us want to read it though.
Bear in mind, this is just sports department cuts. More is coming from more important floors of that newsroom.
Feel free to rip on Sully, Vogl, Gleason all you want. It's just sports.
I'm concerned about the future of a free press if this continues in news and political coverage. The lack of an informed electorate is dangerous for a democracy.
Too many people think angels are real already.
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Sal Capaccio Scolds Howard Simon For “Conceding Victory” to NE!!!
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Sean McDermott is 0-4 against NE. The closet margin of loss was 12 points in 4 games.
What do you mean, "a decade ago?"