Clemfield2622
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i've believed DL was going to be the pick all along. this only reinforces it...
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I absolutely love Kyle. I knew he was the best player on our defense in his 2nd year.
Wall of Famer....no doubt.
Retired jersey? Not quite.
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Per the team on Twitter
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if my GM of the Bills what?
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"Are you still a believer in Santa Claus? 'Cuz at seven it's marginal, right?"
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11 minutes ago, Magox said:
This is going to be one of the most anticipated exciting off seasons that I can remember in a very long time.
$100 Million in cap space with 10 draft picks! If managed properly you can address a lot of needs with that.
Don't get me wrong, I'm excited about the cap room, but there are several other, BETTER teams, with a ton of cap room as well.
Playoff teams like Indy, Houston, and Dallas all have 50 + mil.
As far as 10 picks go, all the extra picks are day 3, so not going to get overly excited for that. They blew 2 2's and 3 3's in trades for Benjamin, Zay, Allen and Edmunds. That's 5 potential impact starters.Let's hope those guys develop to make it worth it.
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Uh, they're going to get 4.5 savings for cutting Clay after the year.
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6 hours ago, cba fan said:
yes every player picked cost a pick. This is all semantics, however, we should use it in the same context that the vast majority of teams and fans and media use it as.
did Maybin cost a 1st ?
did Dareus cost a 1st ?
no one ever states a player cost a 1st round pick when team uses the pick to pick the player. It cost nothing as they have the player that that pick was used for.
Watkins cost an extra 1st. So a premium was paid to draft him and a 2nd 1st round pick the next year was the cost (in addition to the 4th)
However context is needed: a pick traded in a later season is worth one less round than the round it is due to time value. So that 1st rd pick traded for Watkins the following year was worth a 2nd rd pick at the time of the trade.
Bills also gained value by moving up 5 spots with the swap of picks in 1st. So the trade of Bills 1st that year was traded for more than what #9 pick was worth if they stayed at 9.
Watkins was not Bills 1st rd pick in 2015. Bills had no 1st rd pick in 2015.
Double sigh
If you spend $1 on gum, how much did the gum cost?
This isn't rocket science. Yes, Maybin and Dareus cost a 1st. That was the price to secure their service.
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1 hour ago, Buffalo03 said:
Yes, but the 9th overall pick was was just moved up 5 spots. It technically wasn't given up. We still had a 1st round pick
Sigh. He was our 1st round pick in 2014 and 2015
That's 2 1st round picks.
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7 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:
Really? They hated each other so much, they stayed together for an unprecedented run of 4 straight AFC championships which not even the GOAT has ever replicated (not even 3 in a row actually), 6 AFC East titles and 8 playoff years during that run? They still hate each other so much, they constantly have to hang out with each other willingly at each others' charity functions, or you know, when one of them has cancer and they show up bedside at the hospital? Are you really saying team chemistry doesn't matter, only individual talent, and that was the only thing that team had going for it? C'mon man, you're better than this. Those Bills teams had plenty of all of it, talent, clapping, praying, you name it! Don't try to discount or lessen any of those factors, that's all I'm saying.
Quoteyes, because the run happened before/at the dawn of free agency, they had no choice
i guess you forgot about the Bickering Bills....
they grew to love each other and are extremely close now, but if you're remembering it being like that at the beginning, you are dead wrong.
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16 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:
This may sound petty, but I think it's his voice that I find grating--always sounds like he just finished wolfing down Thanksgiving dinner for some reason--that sounds mean but I don't know how else to describe it
. In terms of overall content for that time slot, I feel like I get better analysis on these boards half the time, but that's just me.
yes, bash your head against the wall while having a Jim Kelly avatar.
Those players on those teams basically hated each other. They were a tremendous team because they had several elite talents.
Would clapping and praying have won them the SB?
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3 minutes ago, Da webster guy said:
This is a very different draft than last year. We'll end up in the 7-12 draft slot and be fine getting the dudes we need.
You'll see the top teams looking hard to move back because a lot of them already have their qb.
Last year the scouting department had a big lull between Tremaine in the 1st and Harry in the 3rd. This draft should be a little more consistent and then heat up with our double picks starting in the 4th round.
Exciting when you know we're taking a RB and WR somewhere in there. Probably two of each.
Unless of course they decide to use those extra picks in trade ups...again.
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I think Sal is good at what he does, but he is a homer. It's funny listening to him and Jeremy talk in the mornings because you know they're friends, but absolutely disagree about what is important in building a team.
Sal is like many of you, he thinks all wins matter, and would just generally feel good after a win.
Jeremy on the other hand understands that there is no such thing as momentum carrying over from season to season and that good players make a team good, not clapping and prayers.
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4 minutes ago, SCBills said:
I'd have no problem cutting them but I don't think we will. Clay is a wash financially and I think they A) Hope Shady still has another year left in him behind a better OL and B) like the vet leadership he provides for the offensive side of the ball.
Clay is not a wash financially. he saves 4.5mil. Even on a team with a ton of cap room, does it makes sense to carry 2 veterans who have been minimal contributors who next year would cost 18 million?
or you could cut them both and add another 10.5 mil to the pile. I think it's worth it to move on from both. Remember, cap space rolls over. So savings are savings. It is not use it or lose it.
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because you can never have too many good young cheap players. to assume the Bills are going to get a good OL, WR or TE in free agency at this point is wishful thinking. They are not the only team with cap room. Jets, Browns, Colts, Dallas, Raiders, Cards, Texans, Seahawks, Niners, Bengals all have over 50m in cap room.
There is going to be a lot of competition for the players who do get to market. That's likely going to cause most of these players to get paid more than they're worth. That's why drafted players are preferable, because of cost control.
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1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:
And which QB is going to have teams giving up that kind of bounty? and Qhich teams are going to be looking for a QB?
Because REALLY that's where the big "trade-down" bounties are manufactured, as you said.Have you ever looked at mock drafts even this time of year against what ends up happening? There are guys being projected as 1st rounders today that might end up going in the 5th round in 6 months, and vice versa.
For the record, McShay does have 2 QB's going in his top 10. But as of now, 7 of the teams picking in the top 10 have either young QB's or QB's making a butt ton of money. Jax, Tampa and NYG would likely be looking QB. Those teams could be willing to pay to move up to secure a QB knowing a team looking for a defender would take the extra assets while pushing D prospects down the board.
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Just now, NoHuddleKelly12 said:
I don’t care about draft position right now. I do care about establishing a winning culture, JA’s confidence (and by extension, that of his young wideouts), and momentum to flash for potential established FA’s so maybe the overpayments aren’t as bad. For the draft, it’s a highly speculative science even in the best of slots (just ask the Brownies over the past decade until finally hitting the lotto this year) and I have a feeling we won’t stay pat wherever we end up regardless. Too many unknowns right now to worry about. Just win baby!!
Sorry, don't buy it. Never have.
Remember when the Bills were 0-8 and had the inside track to the #1 pick in possibly the best draft in NFL history? They brought Fitz in, went 4-4 and ended up picking Dareus, who was about the only non QB bust in the top 11 that year.
Did those 4 big wins carry over to the next year, or did it just stop them from drafting their franchise QB for 7 more years?
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1 minute ago, Joe in Winslow said:
Key word there. Takes two to tango. Four if you're talking two trade downs.
Yep.
Again, it was for QB's, so it was different, but look at last year. The Colts added 2 2nd's and went from 3 to 6
The Bills traded 2 2nd's to go from 12 to 7.
So THEORETICALLY, a team like the Colts could have gone from 3 to 12 and added 4 2nd round picks. Obviously they chose not to and added Nelson, and they have been much improved. But the ability to do it was there. There is really no better chance to stock your cupboards than to be picking high and know you DON'T need a QB.
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4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:
Well, all things being equal, I'd rather not live with the risk of a reach for an offensive player or the drafting of a defender.
Beane has already stated he is BPA. They will not reach for need.
As unpopular as it may be, if a defender is the top player on the board, they're taking a defender. That's where trading down factors in. If they have 3-4 guys rated the same and can trade down, add assets and still get a guy they like at say 16 as they would at 10, that's a win-win.
This is not a year where the draft prospects align with our needs. My desire to be at the top of the board is purely for trade down reasons. Would you rather finish 6-10 and pick 14 , or have finished 4-12, and pick 4th? And then theoretically trade down 1 or 2 times to 14 and add 3 or 4 more assets? That's how you fill the holes in the roster.
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4 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:
Follow up question: in any of those circumstances, do you feel the trade up was worth it for the drafted player?
Do you think that will stop teams from doing it? McBeane has traded up 4 times in 2 drafts.
They gave up a 5,3,2,2,3 for Zay, Dawkins, Allen and Edmunds. That's 4 potential guys who would likely be contributing. The Allen deal "had to" be done. The others didn't. They traded up because they thought those guys were better than other guys they could have gotten in their original spots.
Draft picks are lottery tickets, and GM's will always treat them as such. Sometimes you'd rather have more tickets, and sometimes you will trade extra tickets for a guy you feel is a sure winner.
That will never stop.
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2 minutes ago, Joe in Winslow said:
to the top 10?
do better.
Chicago 2016 Leonard Floyd
Cleveland 2014 Justin Gilbert
Miami 2013 Dion Jordan
Dallas 2012 Morris Claiborne
Is it common, no. Are we asking for a ridiculously specific example, yes.
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12 minutes ago, billspro said:
Also, let’s best the Pats. We could use some confidence against those guys going into next season.
If we beat the Pats then everyone above can kick me in the junk for my statement above. THAT win would be worth it.
As others are saying, yes, this is a D heavy draft and Beane has stated he will take BPA. But on a team with a lot of holes, how much would you love a Colts-esque trade down from 3 to 6 to add 2 2nd's? I know that was for a QB, but when you're talking top 5 picks, all bets are off.
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4 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:
winning/playing well is more important than a few draft spots. Sorry but it is. Lets keep the JA train rolling.
No, it's not.
Don't get me wrong, while I am excited to see Allen develop, the draft position never stops being important. 3 days after the season ends, you will not remember these useless victories, but you will then immediately wish we picked higher.
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1 hour ago, Josh "Real Deal" Allen said:
Anyone have a link for the game?- I live just outside Ithaca. Thanks in advance.
Are you sure you're not getting it? My guide on DirecTV says I'm getting it and I'm in Horseheads
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Remember when people thought Robert Woods getting 5/34 was outrageous?