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  1. Burrow and Herbert are more traditional picket passers who had success at the college level. They both throw a very pretty ball and run traditional NFL offenses. Coaches and GMs understand how they are doing what they are doing, so they can project that success going forward. Burrow gets love from fans because people saw him dominate in college. Also, people don't have to admit that they were wrong in praising Burrow; he was a can't-miss prospect who is making everyone's projections come to fruition.

     

    Even after what he did in those two playoff games, a lot of people can't believe what they are seeing with Josh. It defies everything they know about scouting and player development. They say that you can't teach accuracy. Well, he's well over 60% now and he threw only 4 incomplete passes in a playoff game. Even the way he players defies belief. He can run like Cam but he throws like Mahomes. This should not be possible. So, in order to admit that Josh is better than BUrrow or Herbert NFL scouts and GM's would have to admit that the entire way that they scout and evaluate players is wrong. Think about it from their point of view. If you are a GM or a coach on a team that needs a QB, do you want to think that the path to success is to take the top QB in the SEC or PAC12, or go out and find a unicorn and hope he develops? 

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  2. Right after the game, I thought that this was the worst loss in our history. But, upon further reflection, it’s not even close. To me, the worst losses were whatever game knocked us from playoff contention for 18 straight years. And before the Kelly teams 1984 and 1985 were even worse. We were the worst team in the NFL. The stadium was empty and people wore bags on their heads. As a kid, sitting in Rich Stadium in September 1984 watching us get beat by the Vikings in Kay Stevenson’s last game as coach was far worse than Sunday night because things felt so hopeless. 

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  3. 43 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

    He’s kind of a tom Brady clone on his personality. He’s very confident in himself and extremely competitive and that will rub some people the wrong way, but he’s not a jerk like Rodgers and backs it up unlike mayfield. 

    Burrow has a really sarcastic sense of humor, and some of that boasting that rubs people the wrong way is done tongue in cheek. 

  4. Just now, Livinginthepast said:

    It was very similar to the Pats victory over KC in 2018 and the Pats OT victory over the Falcons in the SB. In both cases and tonight, the defense had nothing left and was gassed so the coin toss wins the game.  You would think the NFL would change the OT rules but they are more conservative about rule changes than the Catholic church.

    At least in the playoffs

  5. 5 minutes ago, DrPJax said:

    Well, it’s possible to reach all of our pre season goals with a win today propelling is to a home AFC championship game !  Feeling nervous so o am rewatching last years afc tile game in KC.   Things I am noticing, in using several things going against us last year.  This is not your last years Bills team! 
     

       We were obviously not close to full strength.  I had forgotten. One of our main Cbs was Josh norman !   He was terrible   In addition our o line was Williams at right tackle with Feliciano and Ike with Dawkins and Morse.    The line was really overmatched with jones having his way with Feliciano.    Also our rbs were motor on a very limited basis with YELDON ( not even in the league this year I believe, certainly didn’t play meaningful min ) playing significant time.  Our wr of course were mostly injured and Brown was limping after most plays.  We actually started with a 9-0 lead that quickly went to 21-12 in the second quarter.  Bass missed his first extra point. ( after last week , this has me a little concerned)  
     

    Our d was undermanned with Norman , and players like Love and Butler playing significant time. The Frazier scheme of sitting in soft zones was too easy for Kc to beat with speed and it was an abysmal failure. The Chiefs went 4/4 I. The red zone by 3:29 left in the third quater!  Romo kept pointing out how Kelce and the receivers came off the line untouched and it was a huge error in our d philosophy!   We actually missed several sacks that ended up with Mahomes breaking several tackles and completing passes ( once even with Milano draped on him).  Our LBs and dbs  missed many tackles as the KC players came off the line untouched at full speed and there were many huge chunk plays as we kept in soft zones the whole game and we NEVER HIT KELCE as he came off the line , allowing him to catch 8 or 9 balls uncontested in the first half. It was crazy watching them just let him run free and then Settle either in front of a deep dropping Edmunds or in the zones vacated as Mahomes scrambled.  It looked like no one was ever assigned to hit him or really check him.  White actually looked average in that game as Hill beat him for big plays several times and Tre really did not play a physical game.  He was not good in run support that game either. Also oir d line never contained Mahomes and we never held the outside leverage on runs like we so now with GROOT!    We.we’re abused in the run game and I still can’t believe how soft we were as a team not hitting guys , esp Kelce and the receivers as they CRUISED TO AN EASY 38-15  lead with 8 min left in the game.  We were NEVER DEFENSIVELY EFFECTIVE I. THAT GAME!  
     

     Our O was not much better.   Brown disappeared and Allen really kept making bad choices.  He continued to AVOID throwing to open receivers short , and I watched him look off them when initially open and then he would try coming back after they were no longer open. He had many passes broken up and at least three should have been picked by KC  dbs who were just not  used to his velocity.  He was also inaccurate early in the game.   The big issue tho was he was rarely used to run the ball ( until they were desperately behind!)  and he kept playing the hero ball we have all come to dread as he held the ball way too long , and that’s a big part of what made the line look so bad.  He really has not looked that bad since the jags game this year.  He was a 180 version of himself in KC compared to last weeks New England game.    
     

    He was never confident with reads and it just looked like he never had any answers that day. We were down 31-15 beginning the  4 th quarter.  Like Romo stated ,” it feels like everything is hard” regarding the offense.  Allen was playing from behind and his play looked frantic as he was not setting his feet to throw.  It was not until the late third quarter that McKenzie got involved ( he did catch a TD I’m the late 4 th quarter with only 4 min to play ,)  and Josh started to run a little. All the players began to press and Brown tipped a catchable ball into a KC db for an easy pick in the early 4 th.    THERE WAS NO EFFECTIVE USE OF MOTOR OR CALLS BY DABOLL to help take pressure off Josh by running the ball.  As I watched this game for the first time since that loss, I am encouraged because as bad as some of our games have been, I have a hard time saying Josh ever played as poorly in this year ( with his choices ) as he did in that game.  Until you go back and actually see the growth Josh has shown , it’s hard to believe how poorly he really played in that game. If we see anywhere close to the Josh we saw last week , KC has no idea how much he has progressed over this year !  McDermott also made many coaching errors including going for a failed 2 point conversion when the score was 38-21  resulting in the game remaining a 3 possession game.  It was even made a worse decision as we recovered the onside kick the next play and we’re down 7 as opposed to 16 with 3 time outs left and almost 4 min left !  
     

     Wow , it was hard to rewatch !  So how do we beat this team today. We play like last week and please don’t be out coached as badly as we were that game.  
    1) we have to play physically.  Quit just dropping into soft zones and not punishing their receivers. Press the receivers!  Hit them and effect the timing of the pass game!  We don’t have to blotz but we have to send different guys and mix it up from the first game!   We are better stopping the run and maintaining the edge.  We have to make Mahomes throw from the pocket because he is just too accurate when he starts scrambling.   Keep the fresh guys rolling in and keep lane and gap integrity.  SMACK THEIR RECEIVERS IN THE MOUTH EARLY AND LET THEM KNOW IT WILL BE A LONG DAY !  When you don’t hit guys , they are fresher than you and the speed is Allowed to have its full effect !   ThIS is a huge game for Frazier; Is this truly a good defense , or will he call a game where he doesn’t trust his talent and tries to soft zone his way to a win. If he has a game plan like last years, we will lose and he will prove he is not really head coach material. You have to WIN THE BIG GAMES AND HIS SCHEME Last year was ONE OF THE REASONS WE WERE NEVER IN THAT GAME!

     

     
    2].  Daboll also has to keep the gas pedal down from last week.  Run the ball, call early runs for Josh and use play action from under the center, EARLY.   Daboll has to get across to Josh to get the ball out of his hands early and take the short open receivers!   It will open up later.   Last year Josh took too many bad sacks that WERE HIS FAULT , as the o line play was at least average.  We have a much better line so use it to drive block , gap run , pin and pull , and we can maul the KC defense !  As long as Josh gets rid of the ball quickly early in the game , we will see a different Josh than the one KC easily beat last year.   Don’t be afraid to motion or issue mckenzie early ; he has speed and creates mismatches and he can have a huge game if Daboll will use him ! Use Beasley on third downs mixed in with McKenzie.  This year we will have knox as a mismatch as well.  We had ALMOST NONE of that last year!    Gabe is a difference maker , while Sanders may make 3-4 important catches. Of course we have to hit Diggs early in the short game and with those weapons , we can score even if FraZier refuses to be aggressive!  Get physical , run with motor , Josh , mckenzie , and then hit knox behind the lbs when they come up to stop the run.  COACH TO WIN MCD!  We don’t need no punter except to hold on PATS!  
     

    We are a much better team than last year. We have done this once this year !   The Chiefs are really still the same Chiefs.  Everybody is touting how patient Mahomes is now after this years Bills loss.  Make him patient in a collapsing pocket ! We can do this !  It’s up to the coaches resolving the tactical errors from last year by doing press coverage and make them beat our dbs only to face Hyde/ poyer  there for back up; , being physical and wanting it more!  We need Josh playing up  to his potential.  He has to play error free and he needs to be that extra weapon running because he is so talented at it.   We can have a HOME AFC Championship game and pound the BENGALS. ITS THERE IF THE COACHS ARE AGGRESSIVE AND we prove EARLY ON this is not last years Bills.   We have the talent to beat KC , but like we learned earlier this year, you have to take it from them and not just sit back hoping Mahomes makes a mistake and gives it to you!   GO TAKE IT BUFFALO!     Hardly anyone believes we can do it , the coaches and players are the only ones who have to believe, and last week they proved they are confident and I think we can win this if we hit them and don’t play like a finesse defense.  That worked against the Bills in SB 25, it can work for us now. Go Bills! 

     

    Motor dropped an easy screen pass early in the game with a lot of green in front of him. He rarely saw the ball after that.

  6. 2 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:


    i love the debates and trash talking leading up to games. It’s all a big psychological pacifier— trying to come up with the reasons to make us fans feel less nervous about the game! 
     

    Every pundit I have seen has picked either the Bills or KC to win by like 4

    points or less. No one can predict this game. Gotta live with the nerves! 

    We all care a lot about something over which we have no control.

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  7. The predictions in this thread are interesting. For one, I don’t think any other fan base in the NFL would have as many people pick against their own team as the Bills. And I’m right there with you all. I have a hard time trusting this team because of a lifetime of disappointment.

     

    Secondly, fans and analysts want certainty. They want to analyse matchups and players and predict the outcome. Both games yesterday  show that you can’t really do that in the NFL. People will blame Tannehill because of the three INTs on the stat sheet, but that game ending interception hit the receiver right in the hands and popped straight up. And SF won on a blocked punt in the snow. It just goes to show that winning a SB requires a good deal of luck. 

     

    All they being said, my picks for today 

     

    Rams- that pass rush is just too much for Brady to handle with a hobbled OL

     

    Bills- what do I get for picking against them? I will say that I would never bet on this game because I just don’t know.

  8. 2 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

    Interesting stat was brought up on the Rich Eisen show:

     

    There have been 6 previous occasions where a team has played both a Belichick coached team and an Andy Reid coached team in the playoffs in the same year. Not once did those teams manage wins against both coaches.

     

    Records are meant to be broken.

    But how many of those instances were teams that beat the Chiefs pre-Mahomes and then lost to Tom Brady in New England?

  9. 6 minutes ago, Doc said:

    I can see how Jones looking at Agholor, or at least in his direction, led Hyde to go that way.  Versus Josh looking right first and keeping the safety away.

    Very true, but also by my rough estimation looking at the video above Josh's ball gets there a full second faster. Mac's took three mississippis and Josh's took two mississippis.

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