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  1. 11 minutes ago, racketmaster said:

    When discussing Josh Allen, inevitably his career  college completion percentage (56.2%) comes up in the conversation. Most analysts seem to be in agreement that there are very few examples in recent history of quarterbacks who have had sub 60% completion percentage and still had NFL success. Favre and Stafford seem to be the most cited examples of the anomalies. Therefore, Allen will have to be an “outlier” in order to have any measure of NFL. Allen is thought to end up being the next Jake Locker or Kyle Boller.  I tend to believe that completion percentage does not necessarily equal accuracy (many other factors come into play). But that discussion has been had many times before and I was just interested in seeing what other quarterbacks may be out there that had a sub 60% completion percentage and also a decent amount of NFL success. I went back to quarterbacks drafted 1990 and forward. I know the game has evolved since then and completion percentages tend to be much higher today because of the types of schemes teams tend to run at the college level. But I still think it was worth looking into especially since Allen has not run a gimmicky college offense but rather  he has operated in a pro style passing offense where he has been asked to make a higher percentage of difficult downfield throws (more like what quarterbacks were asked to do in the 1980’s and 1990’s).

     

    Below is a list of other quarterbacks who have had at least a decent career and also had a less than 60% completion percentage in college. I know “decent” is subjective but I was looking at quarterbacks who have at least stuck around a long time as high end backups or at least had brief periods of solid success as a starter. This is not a complete list but I think it covers most if not all of the quality starters drafted from 1990 to the Present.

     

    Brett Favre 52.4% Southern Miss. 1990

    Mark Brunell 52.0% Washington 1993

    Kerry Collins 56.3% Penn State 1995

    Drew Bledsoe 54.3% Washington State 1993

    Brian Griese 59.5% Michigan 1998

    Jeff George 58.8% Illinois 1990

    Jake Plummer 55.4% Arizona State 1996

    Jeff Garcia 56.8% San Jose State 1994

    Donovan McNabb 58.4% Syracuse 1999

    Neil O’Donnell 58.8% Maryland 1990

    Trent Dilfer 59.1% Fresno State 1994

    Trent Green 55.8% Indiana 1993

    Jake Delhomme 52.6% Louisiana 1997

    Matt Hasselbeck 55.6% Boston College 1998

    Mike Vick 56.0% Va Tech 2000

    Tyrod Taylor 57.2% Va Tech 2011

    Colin Kaepenick 58.2% 2011

    Matthew Stafford 57.1% Georgia 2009

    Josh McCown 51.2% SMU 2002

    Carson Palmer 59.1% USC 2003

    Kyle Orton 58.8% Purdue 2005

    David Garrard 57.0% East Carolina 2002

    Jay Cutler 57.2% Vanderbilt 2006

    Matt Ryan 59.9% Boston College 2008

    Brian Hoyer 55.8% Michigan State 2009

    Derek Anderson 50.7% Oregon State 2005

    Chad Henne 59.7% Michigan 2008

     

    After looking back at the quarterbacks, I was surprised to find so many that were sub 60% since 1990. I was under the impression that there were only a handful since Brett Favre came out but there were at least 6-7 high quality starters in the group. Hopefully, this gives those stuck on Allen’s lower completion percentage a little more hope. And the positive thing for Allen is that he has some rare physical traits that can help him overcome the perceived inaccuracy issue.

    Wow I expected this would be a troll post I would open only to find no names listed. Thanks for doing all of that work!

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  2. 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

     

    Ha.  Well, I think I made the point a while back that part of my problem with giving McDermott and Beane great trust is that it's actually been true of not one, but several, Buffalo GMs that a random fan taking a consensus of mock draft boards literally could have crafted a better draft than several the Bills have had.  Yes, these are new folks, but when trust is gone it's hard to get it back.

     

    Also that's, as I take it, the underlying theme behind Dilfer's comments on Josh Rosen and "fit".  Dilfer pretty much up and said a lot of QB rooms in the country don't have coaches there who can really fundamentally answer "why?" questions, they got their info from someone else and don't really understand it in depth (paraphrase).  I was flabbergasted - most people took it as critique of Rosen, but I took it as a pretty scathing indictment of NFL coaching, actually.

     

    I don't think the reporter is necessarily disreputable and misleading his readers.  I was exaggerating about EVP of ticket sales, and maybe I'm not ginned up on how reporters work, but I would think it's not always obvious by title who is or isn't "in the know" on the factors underlying a team's draft board vs. giving their personal take.

     

    Let's say it's true that Russ Brandon was not part of building the Bills draft board this year.  He has been in the past, and he was until a few days ago a real, live NFL CEO.  But if a reputable reporter talked to him, would that reporter say "so, with the new guys here and your new roles, how much were you really involved in the draft evaluation process this year?"  or would he encounter a tipsy Russ in a bar and just buy him a drink, ask for his take, and write down what he got?

     Well I do think you have a much more optimistic and understanding approach to deciding if somebody is full of it than I do. I think people lie a lot and I think somebody in this example is Bs-ing.   0:)

     

    I think homo sapiens lie a lot. Now I wasn't always this way and I don't want to come off as a fellow who hates everyone and thinks everybody is lying all of the time.

     

    But let me take you back in time to explain what I mean! Perhaps you will agree that we humans are a soft, sparsely furred, nearly defenseless creatures pathetically suited to survive in nearly any natural environment. This is why we lived in the trees, because coming down to the ground to compete with animals who had claws and fangs and other adaptations that enable them to survive would not work out very well for us. We had nothing going for us until we discovered deceit and deception. 

     

    Once our monkey-ish ancestors learned to trick mislead and deceive all the other animals we were able to come down from the trees and take over.

     

    So human beings are by far the most deceitful animal. It is our strength and what makes us human!  I will give you an example.

     

    Say you are getting ready to barbecue and you set the hot dogs on the table. A couple minutes later you notice 3 hot dogs are gone, and you confront your dog.

    He will be completely unable to hide his guilt. His attempt will be pathetic. And this after he and his species have had the opportunity to learn how to lie and deceive from us for tens of thousands of years.

     

    That is why God kicked Adman and Eve out of the garden. Now they went too far trying to lie to him about who stole the apple. But he was very impressed that humans had got so good at lying that they could even half convince God himself that they were not full of ****. So he knew we were ready to fend for ourselves and he sent us out into the larger world and the rest is history.

     

     

     

     

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  3. 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

     

    When the press is quoting anonymous "NFL execs" and "insiders", what does that mean, anyway? 

     

    My guess is that the people who really know a lot and are actually involved with building the draft boards and making the selections are now busy scouring the country for the best FA still remaining and processing intel on other team's rosters to predict who might get cut that could help their teams.

     

    The executive VP in charge of ticket sales, PR, and community relations technically count as "NFL execs" and "insiders", so who knows whether the guys being quoted in that article are actually Brandon Beane's peers (draft-day decision makers with the inside track on why) or guys high enough to get the perk of a seat in the War Room but out of the loop.

    OK that could be true. But that would mean the reporter is disreputable and misleading his readers. Which I suppose isn't unheard of.

     

    Be aware please that I know personally, from repeated experience, that NFL teams sometimes have no idea at all what they are doing at this or that thing. And they are so incredibly arrogant sometimes that they will not listen at all. 

     

    But I can 't say that has ever been true of actually football stuff so far as I have ever seen.

     

    Just that people think the NFL teams are so elite and so professional and so successful and have so much money that they always get things just right. Sometimes that has been the exact opposite of true. 

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  4. I just remembered something. It is weird, but a long time ago somebody said the old bills board went down like it did, suddenly, because it was being used to, set up dates you might say. When the team traveled or what not.

    I'm still not sure it made any sense but the idea was they could use the private messages on there, and whatever history in your phone or computer would say boards.bill.com so it looked like you were doing work related stuff. And then for some reason it had to go away fast, so away it went.

    Maybe that still doesn't make sense I don't know enough about technology to say. But now this happened it brought the memory of that back to me. 

     

     

     

     

    6 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

    Depends on your definition I guess. He broke the rules, he's paying the price.

    Yes he did.

     

    But in his place I would much rather be the guy who broke a corporate rule and got fired for it and who cheated on his wife.

     

    Than a sexual predator. 

     

    To me the second one is way worse.

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  5. 16 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

    He has destroyed himself and his family.  His wife and children deserve to be mortified.

    If what he is guilty of is philandering, he has not destroyed himself. 

     

    He is being painted as a predator. If he is not a predator then he is being destroyed by others.

     

    I will agree that if his family is destroyed by this then he is guilty of that part.

     

     

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  6. 24 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

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    I am sure I would enjoy much of the content on TBN Blitz, but this analogy seems a propos:  The other day, I was having a pleasant walk through a local garden when I encountered the most gawdawful stench.  It turned out to be a leaking portapotty brought on site for a construction team.  Man, was it ripe.  Needless to say, that small aspect of the totality of the garden rather spoiled my enjoyment of the rest of the beautiful spring blooms I would otherwise have lingered to observe.

     

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    I'm speechless. This is almost poetry. But you can't have proper poetry about a portapotty. It is a wonderful way to describe it and captures my exact sentiments in a way I didn't even understand until you put it so perfectly. You have helped me to grow and understand myself better. :) Plus it was very very funny.

     

     

     

    And to Mr Josh Barnett, I apologize for Hapless insensitive remark above. :mellow: Please believe me we are not all like that and I in no way endorse his callous metaphor to describe certain of your staff members' writings.

     

    In an effort to distance myself from those remarks, and to begin to heal the rift Hapless has created between the board annd TBN with his metaphor, I will say that Jay Skurski's recounting of Brandon Beane's draft counts for me as among the very best works I have ever read about the Bills. It was exceptionally well done. I was engaging, absorbing, and he made it suspenseful somehow even though we already know what happened.

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  7. Years ago I feel down an abandoned well and become lodged in there. I am not very photogenic you might say. And I fell head first so all the rescuers could see looking down the well was my backside.

     

    My plight didn't get much traction in the media because the images of the backside of a 52 year old man who isn't very photogenic to begin with, didn't tug very much at the public's heartstrings. 

     

    The authorties had determined that trying to dig me out would probably cause a cave in and I would be killed anyway. Plus they were concerned that the shifting earth from a cave in might damage the new poured foundation of a Chick fil A they were building next door. The bottom line is I was going to die down there.

     

    Then in stepped Terry Pegula with his fracking equipment. He drilled a nearby hole and they shot very high pressure water into the well below me that shot me up out of that well like the cork from a champagne bottle. Sure the landing hurt real bad, but I owe my life to Terry Pegula!

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  8. 37 minutes ago, JoshBarnett said:

    If BadLandsMeanie or others were offended by not getting an individual response, I apologize and will take that as a lesson learned moving forward. 

     

    I was not offended. I even said so. :( I wrote "No harm no foul".

     

    Poster Cripple Creek is the one who read my response to another poster, restated it as that I was offended, and posted that.

     

    Then I talked with him about my not being offended.

    Now I am talking to you about my not being offended. 

    I will now instead go plant some flowers.

     

    The take home message here to one and all is, I am not that easy to offend.

     

    Since that bit of my back and forth with Hapless Bills Fan, in my exchange with him addressing what he wrote, won't go away. I will explain then go plant my flowers.

     

    I spent a fair amount of time thinking up ideas to send along, and a fair amount of time typing it. Most of it was suggestions for your business model, suggestions that you did not ask for, that I posted in one of your previous threads. Another part was an email of suggestions about content and about possible contributors you might find helpful. You had asked for that information. There were no responses so I figured "Oh" that was't a rewarding enough experience that I will want to do that again.

     

    That isn't being offended, or annoyed, or even miffed. It was being "meh".

     

    OH! I almost forgot. What DID offend me was your paper publishing that big exclusive interview with the guy who cut his kids mom head off and left her on the sidewalk for his children to find in the morning. That was revolting. That did offend me. 

     

  9. 19 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

    I'm not the one irritated, I assure you I understand that.  Since you feel wronged by TBN and Barnett you can try a direct approach or you can try an indirect one. 

    Dude. You can't read. I had written " No harm no foul". That expression means precisely that I do not feel wronged.

     

    I keep having to answer responses from you that are not about what I wrote, and that don't make sense. 

     

    So please let me stop now. Thank you.

     

     

  10. 10 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

    I did receive a response to my one email inquiry.  I didn't agree with it, but the answer was thoughtful.  Perhaps you should try again.

     

    If that doesn't work for you then you could try a direct question here via the reply function.

     

    Or you can continue to B&M to no one in particular.

    See? You go a roundabout way to express that you were irritated. One might get the impression that you sir, are not a genuine sort of personality! :(

     

    And that you can't look, read and understand. Because if you Looked + Read + Understood the post that you quoted, you would have realized that I was replying to Hapless. 

     

    Run back and look and see! Then you came in and suggested that I direct my response to Josh Barnett instead, not  Hapless.

     

    That wouldn't make any sense, right? There is no sense in what you suggested. So let's get this cleared up right now so we, and the thread, can move forward in a positive direction.

     

    Go back and look, and read, and understand, and you will know why I did not send my reply to Hapless,  to Josh Barnett in an email. 

  11. 7 minutes ago, Cripple Creek said:

    Perhaps you could search for his email address, or maybe he even has an account here? If you're able to find either of those you could direct your question directly to him.  A good starting point would be his name, Josh Barnett, I believe.

    Well, not to moan about the past but since you had to jump in with your suggestion here...

     

    The last time he asked for emails of suggestions I did email him. He didn't answer. Notice that he says he will read everything he gets. He doesn't say he will respond with even a "thank you for your suggestion". He didn't respond, but he did not say he would.  No harm no foul. But I'm not about to do it again :)

     

    So, in response to your suggestion: Thank you for your suggestion. I will not be implementing it at this time, but I do thank you for your input. 

     

     

  12. 9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

     

    Where did the Buffalo Bills announce this? 

    Where did the Buffalo Bills or the Pegulas or a Bills PR person tell Tim Graham that Kim Pegula confronted him?

     

    They didn't.  It's "two sources".  Unnamed sources.  I don't know what their setup is, but in a typical office it could have been anyone within earshot

     

    This is the Pegulas statement:

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    Here is a problem the Buffalo Bills have faced all along: unnamed sources in the building leaking information to the press. 

     

     

    Wow thanks for clarifying.

     

    I will say if they did this with anyone  within "earshot" that was an intentional leak. You don't have a meeting like that where anyone not intended to be part of it, can hear it.

     

    But I did flat out remember it wrong I thought some of it was in an official release so thanks for that.

  13. 37 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

     

    Yes, he has been. 

     

    If that is all it is, it's a hard spot for the Bills... they're not the ones pillorying the guy, and that probably is in his contract.

    I think they are pillorying him. They didn't have to announce it was because of relationships with female staff. Or whatever else they added. It didn't have to be told to Tim Graham that Kim Pegula confronted him as that she said he lied to her. He could have just quit and nobody gets to know why. 

     

    So I do think they contributed to this here and I hope very much they had good reason to.

  14. The way I see it if a relationship with TBN benefits TBD then I am all for it. Because I get the benefit of this site being free! :D

     

    I hope TBN isn't too important to us here though because I don't think they are going to make it. They have to be really savvy and adapt and understand their business to make the transition. But they are owned by Warren Buffet and he knows nothing about newspapers aside from figures on a bank statement.

     

    Like a lot of companies they are built by a founder and then eventually the founder and his or her main helpers die off and then the business just chugs along under it's own momentum being owned by investors.

     

     Like here in Rochester Kodak and Xerox went on for decades after the founders died just getting bigger and bigger. But then the landscape changes and the companies are like the Titanic they just keep chugging right into the iceberg because at bottom the people running them don't know what they are doing. Kodak in particular crashed like a lead balloon. Digital photography. Everyone saw it coming, but they did nothing. They were bankers basically. I'm not even sure anybody said "Here comes an iceberg".

     

    TBN is like that. There is a digital iceberg and they have no idea how to steer a path around it.

     

     

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  15. 41 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

     

     

    Pollock compared him to Matt Lauer, Charlie Rose, Kevin Spacey and Garrison Keillor in terms of behavior. "It was the same type of behavior that sabotaged Matt Lauer ..."

     

    He only mentioned the others in this way ... "Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Roger Ailes, Bill O'Reilly, et al, and now ... Russ Brandon? The list of powerful men brought down by inappropriate behavior with women grew by one ..."

     

    http://www.oleantimesherald.com/sports/pollock-brandon-s-exit-wisely-staged-by-kim-pegula/article_cb7fd29e-4e5b-11e8-ad2c-3b2526f9cbbb.html

     

    He was only comparing Russ to Cosby and the criminals by saying they were brought down by inappropriate behavior. Not in terms of what that behavior consisted of.

    Ok. I didn't see the distinction when I read it.

     

    But still, Rose and Spacey  allegedly coerced and pressured people. 

  16. 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

     

    Meanie, have you had your morning coffee yet?

     

    Big Ben has never been the sort of QB who can totally carry a team.  There are only 2 (maybe 3 or 4) of them in the league. He benefits from a strong run game and an offensive scheme that suits him (most QB do)

     

    But there's only been 1 year where the Steelers had an effective, top 10 D and he didn't carry them into the playoffs - and that was 2012, when he missed 3 games and was arguably hampered afterwards.  In his 14 year career, there are only 3 years where his team hasn't had a winning record; their worst record was 8-8.

     

    He has played at a high level consistently for 14 years.  His stats such as completion percentage, #TD, TD/INT, passing yards, YPA etc have either improved or held steady.  He is in no way being carried by a "first impression" and become "less effective ever sense". 

     

    He does have his negatives for off-field behavior, but he got married in 2011 and has either stopped or kept any off-field crap out of the news since then.

    I think he's probably kept on with being a douche, based on his recent comments and his "maybe I'll retire/maybe I won't" schtick, but he's an excellent QB.

     

     

    I have had my coffee!

     

    I will say that I do not watch the Steelers games very often. But by way of supporting my opinion, The Steelers have been consistently good for about 30 years. Many of them with non-luminaries at quarterback. Here is a synopsis of Cowher's career there. (all from wiki)

     

     

    'In Cowher's 15 seasons as head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers, the team won eight division titles and made 10 playoff appearances. Cowher led the Steelers to the Super Bowl twice, winning one. He is the second coach in NFL history to reach the playoffs in each of his first six seasons as head coach, a feat previously accomplished by Paul Brown. Cowher resigned as head coach of the Steelers on January 5, 2007, 11 months after winning Super Bowl XL in 2006 over the Seattle Seahawks."

     

    Ben was only there for 2 of those years.

     

    The Steelers won again in Feb 2009.

     

    Here are Ben's stats from that season. "For the fifth year in a row the Steelers offense was led by quarterback Ben Roethlisberger,[16] who finished the season with 3,301 passing yards and 17 touchdowns, with 15 interceptions. "

     

    Here are Warner's : Warner posted one of his best seasons in 2008, throwing for 4,583 yards and 30 touchdowns, with only 14 interceptions

     

    Here are Ben's stats from the 2008-09 Superbowl. Roethlisberger completed 21 of 30 passes for 256 yards and a touchdown, with one interception.

     

    Here are Warner's : Warner completed 31 of 43 passes for 377 yards and three touchdowns, with one interception. His 377 yards was the second most in Super Bowl history behind his own record of 414 yards in Super Bowl XXXIV. Tom Brady passed Kurt Warner record by throwing for 466 yards during a 28-3 comeback in Super Bowl LI.

     

    So yes, Ben has played well enough that the team gets to the playoffs pretty often. But I am not so sure he "carries" them there. As I have shown, they got to the playoffs before him.  And last won a superbowl 9 years ago in a season and a game where he performed just ok.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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