[Hillary's Campaign Kickoff]

LA says he won because he's black. Period. He says Obama would be a stoner in Hawaii if white. He says Hillary will win because she's a woman. He cuts through all of their appeal and boils them down to race. You're all missing that point.

 

When your daughters, moms, sisters become CEOs and you overhear some douchebag say, "She got that job because she's a woman," maybe you'll get it. When your black friend becomes chief of the fire department and some white firefighters at a bar say "He's there because of affirmative action," maybe you'll get it. When your son in law gets a promotion over a co-worker and the co-worker tells his buddy that "We all know why he got that job" and you hear it, maybe you'll get it.

 

Or maybe not.

 

Obama is flawed. Hillary is flawed. Their flaws are not their skin color or sex.

 

Peace out.

[Hillary's Campaign Kickoff]

 

Read what I wrote again and try to respond with something relevant, okay?

 

Let me put in in Crayola in hopes you can digest it: none of those people you listed above ran against Hillary. Only Obama did. And if he were white, at that time and in that situation, he loses because...say it with me now...

 

 

Continue diminishing him based on his race. You return to it. He won because he was and is an amazing campaigner.

 

This is a weak response. Bush & Carter were popular governors and Truman was a Veep.

 

 

Bush and Carter were single term minimal experience governors. And the others had even less experience.

 

Truman was a bad choice.

[Hillary's Campaign Kickoff]

 

If Barack Obama was white, absolutely NO ONE in the press would have paid any attention to a first-term senator with literally NO actual accomplishments in his entire freaking life other than getting elected to office by having people's divorce records unsealed. Especially a white first-term senator running against what could be the first FEMALE president.

 

 

 

Jimmy Carter says hi.

 

George W says hi.

 

Abe Lincoln says hi.

 

Harry Truman says hi.

 

Benjamin Harrison says hi.

 

Obama got elected because he was a master at the political game. You discredit yourself by attributing so much to his race. He didn't get elected for the sake of electing a black guy. He got elected because he was a top notch campaigner and speech-giver who connected with a lot of people and frankly as much as it pains you to admit it, still does. He'd mop up any person alive except maybe Bill Clinton.

 

Race is only a part of the stew and mostly works against minorities, at least according to 43 white dudes.

[Hillary's Campaign Kickoff]

Obama and Hillary are constantly playing the race and gender cards. Anytime someone disagrees with them they pull them out and get the left to agree with them and echo that sentiment. All one has to do is disagree with one of them and that person will be denigrated as a racist or as someone perpetuating the "war on women". Your posts here in this thread as they refer to LA's posts show that you've really mastered the fine art of being obtuse.

 

Thanks for the absurd overstatement.

[Trump Alone at the Top]

Yes, I've noticed that myself. Many of the accurate charges leveled against him, he's trying to deflect them on Hillary. He's such a putz.

 

PPP running for president.

[Hillary's Campaign Kickoff]

 

He got ahead because he got ahead? I'm not even sure you know what that means. But what has become increasingly clear through this discussion is that you are precisely the kind of people I am talking about.

 

I've been very clear in my reasoning. You can look up and confirm everything I posted about Obama, and how he got to where he is. And yet you are left arguing against it by explaining that I am either (a) stupid or (b) a racist. You're literally taking the one-hit-wonder line that the DNC has lived off of for the past seven years.

 

Since I'm just another stupid racist, please break down for me all of Barack Obama's collegiate and employment accomplishments before he became a US Senator. Show me how he earned everything. Show me his grades. Tell me about his law degree. List all the things he got done as an Illinois senator.

 

Break it down.

 

We'll wait.

 

You say he's president because he's black. Period.

 

Got a wife, daughter, sister who has heard that they got their position because they are a woman? That's the demeaning argument you're making. You don't get the presidency by race, especially minority race. He worked hard, played politics, and rose.

 

I never voted for him so I don't have to do your dance.

[Hillary's Campaign Kickoff]

 

Like Hussein, you mean?

 

Nice.

[Hillary's Campaign Kickoff]

 

Do you think she's the most qualified person to ever seek the office of President?

 

Irrelevant. I've already said I despise her. Based purely on her resume and not her competence, she certainly has the qualifications. Senator. Sec State. Been many less qualified presidents.

[Hillary's Campaign Kickoff]

 

I haven't seen anyone claiming HRC relied upon her sex to get the nomination or any of the things she's achieved.

 

Try a search on this board for the beautiful keyword "vagina."

 

Or try this quote:

 

"Hillary will win for being a woman like Obama won for being black."

[Hillary's Campaign Kickoff]

 

 

 

I specifically stuck to 'liberal' sites..........................to avoid the inevitable 'racist' tag towards the articles....

 

 

No..........not everyone voted for Barack because.................but to claim that it is a weak factor.................is laughable

 

I Only Voted For Obama 'Cause He's Black. Now What? - Huffington Post

www.huffingtonpost.com/.../voted-for-obama-cause-hes-black

I Voted For Barack Obama Because He Was Black! - Ebony

www.ebony.com/black.../samuel-l-jackson-says-i-voted-for-barack-obama-because-h

Tina Brown, via transcript from MSNBC

Brown suggested that in 2008, when it looked like Clinton had it, “Being the first black president in the end got more traction than being the first woman president.”

 

 

 

I'm a big fan of Obama,” Larry Wilmore said. “But I didn’t vote for his policy, I voted for him because he’s black. The policy I agree with is the policy that he’s black.”

 

 

I said it's a weak argument and one that LA in particular brings up often. Racism is always a factor in any election. 200 years of white male presidents agree.

 

When you often harp on race being the reason he's president, it diminishes how he got there. "She got there because she's a woman" or "He got there because he's a minority" is how people diminish the accomplishments of minorities. It's a common arrow in the quiver of the people who got passed by or the armchair racist. If you don't see that, you're living in a world of ignorance. One I know exists, but it's still ignorant.

 

If we had been talking about a moment when Obama played the race card or an instance Hillary overplayed her woman card, this would be a different conversation. But this didn't come up in that context and LA brings this up frequently.

 

You can backfit the arguments to support claims that she relies on her sex (I haven't followed your links...Samuel L. Jackson really?) but that's not what happened here.

[Trump Alone at the Top]

Will Trump spook enough voters to change which party has the majority in Congress ?

 

Yes. Congressman are already contemplating running ads encouraging people to stay away from Trump but vote for them. It might be their only hope to retain power. Anyone in a tight district who rides the Trump bandwagon is making a bad decision.

[Hillary's Campaign Kickoff]

 

And here's my ultimate point that you seem to miss: the minute anyone questioned Obama for his actions, it was because they were racist. Period. Just ask the Clintons.

 

...

 

I'll end this by giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're ignorant, and not as racist as you constantly hitting this drum makes you sound.

 

Obama got ahead because he got ahead. He's an extremely smart guy who played the political game well, maybe not as well as Bill Clinton, but pretty well in his own right. In the process, he got a lot of people to believe in his message of "hope." How you can't look at this election and the rise of Trump and not see that people loved "Obama the outsider" is beyond me.

 

Attributing his success to race is weak.

[Hillary's Campaign Kickoff]

How did Rubio do in this primary season?

 

Relevant how?

 

Rubio was doing well until he showed a lack of maturity under fire. He was holding his own until Christie skewered him in the debate. Then he went on a crash and burn.

 

See how you can discuss a candidate without attributing their success or failure to race? Just like that.

[Hillary's Campaign Kickoff]

 

Looks like it's time for Huma to get pregnant again.

 

What the hell are you talking about? I don't criticize Barry or Hillary over their race or gender. I criticize them for using their race/gender as a reason people don't like them or their policies.

 

You discredit them (and yourself) by attributing their success to race/sex. It's an ignorant point to make.

 

"Obama wouldn't be president if he were white" ignores his success and appeal as a candidate. Attributing Clinton's success to "vagina" is the same ignorant argument.

 

If the argument were being made in the moment that Clinton was hiding behind her sex, it would be relevant. It's not here. And as I said, you've brought this up often.

[Hillary's Campaign Kickoff]

 

He's absolutely correct in his assessment. If you think for a second that supporters of both Obama and Hillary don't use the race/gender card as a first line of defense against critics, then you're on some pretty powerful prescriptions.

 

 

But he played the card. It didn't come up in this thread. LA plays it often and it's stupid. There are plenty of reasons to attack Obama and Clinton. Attack them for those reasons.

[Hillary's Campaign Kickoff]

 

I can't tell you how much I look forward to four or eight years of people explaining that the reason people don't like Hillary's policies is because they hate women.

 

Worked for the black guy. Should work for the vagina.

You continue to be small minded and stupid on this line of reasoning. Obama had plenty of support that had nothing to do with race. Clinton too.

 

Attack the ideas not the chromosome and genetic hand.

[Trump Alone at the Top]

There are more than 8,000,000 illegal immigrants working in this country. That's hurting employment for many American workers.

The effect of illegals on good jobs in the US is a huge red herring issue hat feeds uninformed fears. It's a better story than reality and plays to passion and not reason.

 

The left plays the same game with climate change. Whip up a frenzy over something that we're more likely to solve with technology than tax and regulate to any solution.

[Trump Alone at the Top]

Like I said GG, come November. I realize the data doesn't support my claim. The data has been wrong before.

It's not the bumper stickers. But carry on.

 

Like I said GG, come November. I realize the data doesn't support my claim. The data has been wrong before.

It's not the bumper stickers. But carry on.

 

We had a guy here in 2012 who dedicated a novel's worth of posts to debunking the polls. He was 100% wrong.

 

Good to see history repeating itself. Unless Clinton threatens to chut down Disney World and defund social security, she'll do just fine in Florida.

 

Doesn't look like Florida will be necessary for her at this point.

[Trump Alone at the Top]

Actually I do, and based on that trump is not as successful as he claims to be.

 

You rate trump compared you an average Joe

 

I compare him to his supposed real estate peers in NYC, and if I start in the early 80s from when he built the Grand Hyatt to where he is now, he is a failure. Looking at the properties that he's been involved with, his real estate empire alone should be worth well over $20 billion, not $2 billion. But he managed to get kicked out of most high profile properties.

 

And it shouldn't surprise anyone that trump failed in real estate development in the same way he's screwing up the election. He can't help being trump, running his mouth, alienating supporters and burning bridges.

 

There's a big reason that he's not doing real estate development anymore. It's not because he now avoids risk. It's because nobody wants to work with him.

 

It's not a good sign when only your children can testify to your character.

[Trump Alone at the Top]

Delusional not to buy what the media sells? The media is controlled and coordinated to defeat Trump on the behalf of the single party system we have now. How do I know it's not just another delusion? Because every morning on my start up page I see something negative about Trump on my Google feed. Like this morning they are pushing some 3rd party schmuck to siphon votes away from Trump. Yesterday it was something else. And the day before that something else. Pay no mind that former Google ceo Schmidt now works for Barry and some other 250 former Google employees now work for the dems in some capacity or the other. More delusions yes? Anyway, Google is just one . USA Today all the MSM sing the same old coordinated tune. Like Trumps "dark" acceptance speech described the same way on every msm outlet. More examples of course but hard to explain to people that have been programmed from birth to listen to scripted news and culture.

 

The media doesn't feed Trump his stupidity. He brings that all on his own.

[Trump Alone at the Top]

 

Implying revolution if she wins. "Second Amendment" is code to his core Sovereign Citizen/Right-Wing Militia support for "armed insurrection."

 

If you think Trump says "Second Amendment" and thinks about the deeper implications of second amendment meaning revolution, you're out of your mind.

 

His train of thought doesn't run that deep. Ever.

[Hillary's Campaign Kickoff]

Does it matter? Why isn't the MSM themselves talking about the latter in lieu of the former?

 

Well, a presidential candidate suggested that people shoot his opponent. That's moderately newsworthy.

Shes a f*ing POS. Shame on all America is she gets elected.

 

Agreed. We are all responsible.

[Trump Alone at the Top]

They cooked that poll and the ones here to make the opposition think they are behind and give losers like Hillary and her loser supporters momentum. They just poll in areas where they know there are 10-15% more democrats. Most people are programmed to believe whatever garbage is shoveled on them. Whatever comes out of that idiot box or if it's printed on paper they believe it.

 

No end to Trump supporters' delusions.

 

Think what you want, but these numbers suggest a mass flight away from Trump by moderates.

 

Not sure if moderates were ever really in his corner. They just hated the establishment and no one is more establishment than Clinton.

[Trump Alone at the Top]

The hits keep on coming with big name defections from Trump support. Those who blame the media miss the point: You get who you choose.

 

Atrocious that the choice on the other side is Clinton. I keep thinking about what could have been if Romney had come now instead of against Obama.

[Cargo shorts - yes or no]

If you're working as an HVAC repairman, cargo shorts are functional. Totally different argument.

 

90% of people are not working as the HVAC repairmen and therefore look like total morons. Just like all the people driving pickup trucks "because."