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the Bills are having a phone conference today....after listening to both Nix and Gailey...i'm inclined to believe the following:
#1- the Bills are Trading out of the #3 pick...but no farther than #10.
#2- if a Franchise QB is there, they will take him.
#3- i think Von Miller is the most likely pick.
#4- Patrick Peterson is viewed as a "nickel" back, so i don't think they take him.
#5- Gailey said "most" picks will be defensive.
Sounds like Quinn, Jordan or Watt is the pick if they indeed are trading out of that #3 spot. Depending on the spot, Miller will most likely be off the board.
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First off, bottom end is not the same thing as dead last. Secondly, look at the actual stats and you will see my statement was true.
Again, twist it all you want...I was talking about very specific categories, the categories people look at the most when evaluating the play of a QB, and what I said was 100% correct and not fabricated...he is the bottom part of the league in almost all of them. But rather than discuss that, posters like you try discredit it by manipulating it sound like I said something else.
- Fitz ranked 22nd in QB rating.
- Fitz ranked 22nd in the league in passing yards.
- Fitz ranked 27th in completion percentage.
- Fitz ranked 21st in yards per attempt.
- Fitz ranked 16th in passing yards per game.
- Fitz ranked 9th in interceptions (despite only 13 games and had 5 additional lost fumbles)
Not only was Fitz lowly ranked in all these categories, but he also was in the top 10 in pass attemtps, meaning even though he played "13 games" he still had more pass attempts than 2/3's of the other QB's.
So show me how the statement, that outside of his TD total, "he is near the bottom end in just about every other important category" is not a 100% accurate statement? If you are in the bottom third, then that is near the bottom and is not very good. If anyone knows anything about football, they know the above categories are the ones that are more critically analyzed than any others for QB's along with 3rd down efficiency, TD's and record.
10th in TD%
10th in Sack%
15th in TDs (13 games)
16th Yards per game
17th Yards per catch
21st in Completions (13 games)
22nd in Yards (13 games)
In one year Fitzpatrick went from being an ok backup to being right in the middle of starting NFL quarterbacks in this league. This was AFTER he came in off the bench two games into the season no less. In one year he improved his QB rating by 12 points. But just keep on trying to pretend he's a bottom of the league QB with no chance of further improvements given a full training camp, a running game and a good defense like the top guys have had.
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You forgot to mention is terrible pocket presence and awareness.
Mike Mayock has jumped the shark with his praise of Gabbert and trashing of Newton. I've seriously lost all respect for this guy the last few months. I really don't know what his deal is, but I don't think he's right in the head.
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That statement makes me LOL pretty hard...
WOW!
That's not half as funny as you (and many here like you) wanting the Bills to pick Blaine Gabbert. He of the 16 TDs in the spread offense against college competition. He of the 69th QB rating ranking. He of the 3.25 YPA on 3rd and 8-10. He of the 30% completion rate on throws over 15 yards. Clearly you guys didn't have your fill of Trent Edwards...LOL
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The key point to understand is that Gabbert put up crappy stats in an offense designed for big numbers, and in which Chase
Daniels complied with huge numbers. Even with the gaudy stats, Daniels wasn't even drafted.
Gabbert did less in his one season and now he's a top 3 pick
I don't think so
It's weird, I listen to the experts talk about him and it's as if they are brainless drones. They generally don't talk about his play on the field, they talk more about his attitude, his personality, his leadership skills, his work ethic. All important traits, but that obviously should be discussed AFTER you have displayed GREAT ability on the field against college competition.
There was a guy drafted a long time ago because he had everything going for him except his play on the field…Todd Marinovich. He's obviously not a psycho like Marinovich, but this is the last guy that I can remember that was promoted to such a degree that he was a 1st round QB pick with mid to late round on the field ability.
There was a thread about racism in regards to the rough media handling of Newton and the kid glove handling of Gabbert. It's crystal clear that Newton is getting wrongly stereotyped with failed black 1st round QBs, while Gabbert's skipping hand in hand through the daisies with the media and also with horrible numbers from his 2010 season. Has one media expert brought up Chase Daniels???? The opposing handling of these two guys is the story of this draft.
I'm glad that you brought up Chase Daniels. That right there breaks wide open the sham going on in the media's strange love affair with Gabbert. IMO, there's zero chance the Bills take Gabbert.
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I agree with you.
BUT The Guy is an athletic freak for his size.
The Good news is that I highly doubt that based on Buddy Nix' one year of being a GM for the Bills and drafting almost all 4 year players that were team captain's that Robert Quinn is on One Bills drive radar in the first round.
Robert Quinn has a better shot at going #23 imo over #3, real world GMs are going to be scared of this dude. Just think if he turns into a bust, its not just 1 red flag with this guy, and its not just comments at a press conference, there are multiple big red flags with this guy, it will be so easy for Owners and fans to lynch a GM if Quinn turns into a Top 10 bust. However if he falls to #15-#25 with a team that probably already has good coaching the GM looks like a genius if he pans out. If he he busts maybe the GM won't get killed if a team that is already stacked takes a flyer an athletic kid that on paper could be dominant.
What were these red flag "comments" at a press conference that you're referring to.
If he does drop and becomes the next Julius Peppers then there will be about 10-23 teams that will being asking themselves what they were so freaking scared about. The only red flag for me is the year off, but that was dissipated by his good (and by that I mean very acceptable for a top ten OLB pick) combine performance.
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Dareus cooling off. (I never warmed up to him...LOL)
Bills like Peterson and Miller a lot...
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/03/27/mmqb/index.html
Take it for what it's worth I guess.
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I respect that everyone has their favorites, and I'm the first to recognize that nobody on this board knows who's going to end up a good player and who isn't (no matter how hard they may thump their chest). However, I can't believe the amount of love that Robert Quinn gets on this board; it's baffling to me. I have several issues with Quinn:
- Hasn't played football since January of 2010
- Had only 1 productive season in college (as a sophomore)
- In his 1 productive season, 8 of his 11 sacks came in 3 games (against teams like E. Carolina, Virginia, and Duke)
- Played against inferior competition (i.e. Citadel, UConn, Virginia, Ga. Southern, Duke)
- He only had 22 strength lifts at the combine...now, before all you "workouts don't matter" folks jump on me, hear me out...the combine was the first chance in 13 months that Quinn had to display his abilities for NFL scouts, and he only comes up with 22 bench press reps at 265 lbs. It's not as though the guy had just come off a long season, where he had to build his body back up; he was suspended. He literally had months to prepare for this one event with no football obligations, which to me says one of 2 things: (1) he simply isn't very strong, or (2) he didn't spend a lot of time in the weight room
- He's never played in a 3-4, and his short shuttle and 3-cone would indicate that he isn't the naturally fluid athlete that you'd like to see at OLB
- Lastly, and I know I'm in the minority, he showed poor judgement in accepting benefits that resulted in a suspension.
I just don't know how many of you folks can look at all of those red flags and be convinced that the team should spend the #3 overall pick on him. I'm more than willing to hear you out if you care to explain...
Just my 1 cent.
Other than Patrick Peterson or AJ Green, I could do the exact same thing with all of the other potential #3 picks. Give me a name and I'll gladly do it.
That was a very impressive sophomore season. Let me repeat, SOPHOMORE season. There's a youtube clip of Quinn going to town on BC's Constonzo, making three huge plays with the last one of him being double teamed and still making a crucial play. Dude's a scary football player and while the year off is a concern he still did good at the combine. People here always wanted a Julius Peppers type pass rushing OLB, well this guy is it IMO.
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I'd be incredibly discouraged if we take a QB outside of round 1. To me it almost like a wasted draft pick because chances are , the qb you pick in rounds 2-7 will not become a true franchise qb. Brees and Plummer (to a lesser extent) are the exception not the rule.
There's that, and theres also about a 95% chance that none of these 2-7th round guys will ever be as good as Ryan Fitzpatrick is right now. So it would be a wasted pick.
If they want to take that 5% lottery ticket chance on Taylor in the 4th or 5th, then I wouldn't get crazy upset over something like that.
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Yes, because the word of Wes Bunting is the football gospel.
This thing that I like and find interesting about this guy's "big board" is that he's completely off the map with regards to all the other draft experts' seemingly consensus opinions. Example Danny Watkins is listed as #14 and Marcell Dareus is listed at #15...
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/scouting_department.html
I think this is what the real NFL teams draft boards look like. There are some guys that the experts have high that the teams don't, and vise versa.
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You are setting the War Room Draft Board
Who are the top three picks for the Bills?
No trades in the first round.....
You have to be right...
In what order would you pick and why......
1. Cam Newton - Let me preface this by saying that this pick is coming from not knowing much about his personality. If he's a jerk then I don't want him, if he's not and he's a dedicated and super-competitive guy wanting to be the Michael Jordan of football then it's go big or go home. IMO, we'll never be back in this position for another decade or so. The guy would learn professionalism and smart play under Fitzpatrick for a year. As much as I like Fitzpatrick a lot and think he can actually win us a Superbowl in two or three years when the team takes shape, I have to go with a potential franchise dynasty move for our team. It will suck not drafting for that defense though, ouch!!!!
2. Robert Quinn - I have a gut feeling he and Peterson will be neck and neck for who's the best defensive player from this draft. I've got to get pressure on the QB (and stop the run) and this is the all-purpose superstar guy for me. A bit risky, but there have been a rotation of about 10 guys mentioned in the top three positions. That means they all have question marks.
3. Patrick Peterson - Well except maybe for this guy, if Newton and Quinn are off the board (very doubtful Quinn is taken top two), then I would take Peterson the lock down solid pick of the draft. McKlevin is stupid and McGee is starting to get dinged up.
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- Neither one of these guys are small guys
- Gabbart is a ACCURATE QB which in the end ends up becoming very important
- Newton is the more all around threat.....but Gabbart has showing good scrambling ability as well
- Both have big arms
I would take either one of them and feel comfortable we have a franchise QB for the future......but I would choose Gabbart because of the accuracy....to me.....he is Fitz with a bigger arm and accuracy which would make Buffalo love him.
Stay away from Blaine "The Bust" Gabbert. I'll post this again...
Gabbert:
#69 in QB rating
16TDs / 9 INTs (horrible numbers for a spread offense)
6.7 YPA
3rd and 8-10 yards: 3.25 YPA (that's worse than Trent Edwards)
Newton:
#2 in QB rating
30TDs / 7 iINTs (20 rushing TDs)
10.2 YPA
3rd and 8-10 yards: 12.5 YPA
Please read "The Bad," we've seen enough of this kind of performance the last 10 years thank you...
http://atomicteeth.fantake.com/2010/11/07/mizzoutexas-tech-post-mortem-time-to-jump/
Having a 3.25 YPA on 3rd and 8-10 says that to me that he won't be anybodies franchise guy let alone our beloved Buffalo Bills. This is worse than Trent Edwards and this was in his senior season of college! This guy so reeks of Joey Harrington, Alex Smith, JP Losman, Rick Mirer...well you get the point.
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Pretty Worrisome Gabbert stats
Yet there's 55 people (Gabbert's current total) who apparently didn't get their fill of Trent Edwards and his magical 3 yard passes on 3rd and 8...LOL
I'm truly amazed at the totals for Gabbert. I feel like Bills fans will have to consider relinquishing their "smartest fans in the league" cards soon with these poll results.
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Who's George Edwards?
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I love the idiot comments of people saying things like, "that's all he did?"...LOL
Yes dumb people, just go ahead and refuse to turn down your car stereo when a cop tells you to. We need a 12th Edition of "COPS: Idiots on Parade" ...LOL
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So apparently you've never heard of Blaine Gabbert...
I think Blaine Gappert is the biggest sham going and some team is going to ruin their franchise for the next 3-5 years picking him in the top 10. Ever hear of Alex Smith? Joey Harrington? JP Losman? Tim Couch? Rick Mirer?
Gabbert:
#69 in QB rating
16TDs / 9 INTs (horrible numbers for a spread offense)
6.7 YPA
3rd and 8-10 yards: 3.25 YPA (that's worse than Trent Edwards)
Newton:
#2 in QB rating
30TDs / 7 iINTs (20 rushing TDs)
10.2 YPA
3rd and 8-10 yards: 12.5 YPA
I will be LMAO if the Panthers pick Gabbert. I found this random link that was shocking in it's descriptions of Gabbert:
http://atomicteeth.fantake.com/2010/11/07/mizzoutexas-tech-post-mortem-time-to-jump/
"• Gabbert has to be the worst third down quarterback in college. One of 12. Throw in an 0 for 2 on fourth downs and you get the feeling why it never really felt like the Tigers were going to get back in it once down by 7.
• Texas Tech did not get any appreciable pressure on Gabbert, yet he was running around scared all night. Gabbert got sacked once.
• 12 of 30 passing. Remember when we could liken Gabbert’s accuracy to that of pre-Okie State Chase Daniel? Now he’s more like Ricky Vaughn.
• 3.2 yards per passing attempt.
• Under 100 yards passing against the 117th ranked passing defense."
Yikes!!!! So yes, I've heard of him enough to not want him any where near the Buffalo Bills unless he's on the opposing sideline…LOL
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Really? I have addressed it dozens of threads, in fact, many threads on the front page of the board now.
My preference is to go D at #3 and then go QB in the 2nd as I dont see Mallet, Locker, Ponder, or Kaepernick having any more risk than Newton or Gabbert with just as high of an upside. So would prefer we grab one of them in the 2nd and a stud D player with the #3 pick...win win in my book. I am ok with Newton/Gabbert at 3 if the FO thinks they are the guy for us, but still not my preference.
I want Fitz to start next year, maybe even for 2 years, while our prospects develops. I have said many times, I like Fitz as a guy to lead while we bring someone along slowly.
In all honestly, you are getting a bit pathetic with the lies/manipulation stuff. Just stop, I have not lied about anything...you like to change what I said to make it look like a lie, but nothing I said was. You on the other hand are the king of that in most of your posts and threads and have been called out on it by many posters in multiple threads. Again, we will continue to have to agree to disagree on the quality of Fitzs season and leave it at that.
I dont hate Fitz, I love how he plays with heart and wish we had more people like that on this team. I just do not think he is good enough to build this team around and that we need to upgrade his position now becuase its going to take a year or two to develop a rookie properly.
I read somewhere where the failure rate of 2nd round QBs is around 85%. Just sayin'.
BTW, I think the only QB who will end up being a better NFL quarterback than Ryan Fitzpatrick when all is said and done is Cam Newton. Spending a second round pick on this rag tag group (remember 85%) would be throwing a high pick away IMO. I'd like them getting Tyrod Taylor in the fourth.
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No offense taken, and totally understand.
I hear what you are saying, but if you read the posts of the people I am responding too with those, the LMAO is directly targeted at a pure manipulation of information, flat out lie, name calling, ignoring the actual posts, or complete disregard for what was actually asked of the poster. For instance, you would get a LMAO by the sheer fact you, like the other poster who got it, just again misquoted what I said...I never at any point in any thread have ever said Fitz was "last in every category" let alone last in a single category.
Thats where the frustration comes in those posts when someone changes what I said to make it look wrong so they can attack that statement rather than discuss the points presented to them. For instance, what I have said is that he is in the bottom part of the league in many of key categories QB's are judged on. I have never even said he was last in a single category, let alone every one, because its not true. Some of the categories he is closer to the middle of the pack but still on the wrong side of it, and some others he is in the bottom third of the league or near the bottom.
You will notice, that the comments you are referring to are also predominantly with the same poster who continues to dodge factual information then manipulate stuff to try and make it look false.
I have agreed on many occassions with people who disagreed with what I think about Fitzs season, those just get lost in the shuffle because they dont go on and on like the ones where someone just keeps going on and on with lies, BS, manipulation, or insults.
When it comes to Ryan Fitzpatrick, you're all about lies, BS, manipulation...LOL
Let me ask you something, if the Panthers take Newton (which I think they will), what do you want the Bills to do to rectify the QB position? Seriously, what is your plan? Who do you take or try to get? Stop with the Fitzpatrick bashing and get down to who you want for the Bills future elite, franchise QB? Have you even addressed this yet? We get that you don't like Fitzpatrick and you don't think he's the answer. Stop with the passive aggressive stuff about liking Fitzpatrick then beating him in the head a few times the rest of the paragraphs and tell us who you want!!!!!
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Geeze man, you've been riding Quinn all day everyday on these boards.
If it's Cam #1, and Dareus #2...we would have to go with Fairley, IMO.
Everyone has their favorites. I could change my mind and go back to Fairley. I've changed my mind a few times already...LOL
I just like the look of Quinn. He just seems to fit all of the requirements (except the one that he didn't play last season). He's big (we're looking to get bigger, right?), he looks great in the clips I've seen of him, he's got those long arms you look for in a pass rusher, natural deep bending moves, he seems like a serious and mature kid who has his head on straight, he's a football player and not a guy looking to be celebrity, he would help out both the pass and rush defense. Like I said though, I'd be very happy with Fairley, I'm just a little worried about the "serious, mature, professional, put the necessary work in" football attitude with him.
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I am absolutely trading down for more picks if your scenario plays out. If I am stuck with the pick, I probably take Peterson as best player available. McGee is probably finished, McKelvin is average at best, Corner and Bouty will never be starters and our CBs need to be shut down in the 3-4. It's a passing league, I expect our run D to be better simply because Batten and Carrington will be full go plus Troup is prepping big time. Secondary will prob be our weak spot within 1 or 2 years, believe it or not. Jets and Pats are very good passing teams and you know Miami will get a QB to throw to their good WRs. Sounds crazy, but if cannot trade down and get more good bodies in a very very deep draft, I take Peterson as a sure thing.
Some team will trade up for Gabbert at some point in this draft. Will it be us trading out? The Bengals if they don't like him? The Browns trading back?
There are just too many teams in need of a QB in and around the top ten picks, that a trade up for Gabbert is almost certain to happen at some point.
My dream draft would be the Bills trading back and still having the opportunity to take Robert Quinn.
If they stay at #3, I'd be very happy with Quinn or Fairley and I'd live with the Peterson pick.
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1. I was reading a Carolina forum and I get the distinct feeling that the skids are being greased for Cam Newton.
2. There's almost a 100% chance that the Broncos will select Dareus.
This is a very hard decision. For me, I'm picking from the group of Fairley, Quinn, Peterson, Miller, Green and Jones. These are true "impact" type guys. My gut feeling is that Quinn is going to be a star at the next level, he's a passionate football player, he has his head on straight, and he helps us in both the run and pass defense. I know his bust factor is higher than Peterson's and Green's, but I have to go with my gut for this pick, Robert Quinn.
Who do you pick (doesn't have to be from my group) if those two are gone?...
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I thought bree's had a breakout year the year they drafted rivers. but i have done no fact checking and i'm not as sharp as i used to be.
I agree with you on your draft preference though. IMO we need a mean defender first.
That's right, it was 2004. Drew Brees was a pretty bad QB until his 29th start which was the first game of the 2004 season (River's rookie year). It was literally as if a light turned on in his head...
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00/gamelog//'>http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00/gamelog//
I see Fitzpatrick as having that same kind of "light being turned on" moment in his 28th start which was the second to last game of 2009. Not as dramatic as Brees, but dramatic none the less...
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BreeDr00/gamelog//
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Hahahaha...you are priceless. Nice try
We will just have to agree to disagree, because you either really dont know what people hold in high regard when evaluating a QB or you will just say anything to get people to support your man crush. Either way, we already had our discussion in another thread, no need to relive it here.I gave you 7 real categories, and you gave me 3 real ones. I won the argument.
We're cool...just stop making stuff up or you'll get called out for it.
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So you dislike him because you're either a partisan hack or because you're racist. I say that with confidence because there is no tangible measurable by which the economy has not improved since he was sworn in.
But keep spouting your talking points. I'm sure others incapable of critical thought will find you quite interesting. The rest of us are just watching you embarrass yourself.
I guess we no longer have to wonder about what ever happened to Keith Olbermann...LMAO
Coahces and FO stance on Fitz
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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"Do you even realize that I could literally lead the league in five or those 7 categories with enough pass attempts?"
With that silly statement, you have proven yourself to be someone who's not be taken seriously. I'll refrain from commenting any further.