Hollywood Donahoe

Did someone say racial makeup?

The very best Bruno, IMO, is this one.

I knew he'd get me back for demeaning him.

Thanks. He was my best RB! I drafted poorly.

Is he going to be out? Should I drop him from my fantasy team?

Good idea. Time to sleep.

I actually agree. I'm not even sure what I'm arguing anymore.

I do not recall doing so. Enlighten me.

So you're saying that winning a game that gets you to the playoffs is more important than winning a game in the playoffs? No, I am not saying anything that even resembles that.

Never said that, either.

Yes, which is why I have never declared regular season games as unimportant.

I see you're struggling with the issue of causation. Good players CAUSE their teams to win championships. Championships don't CAUSE players to become good. Understand?

I should've known not to use symbolism in the presence of simplicity.

So you're saying that a week 9 regular season matchup is more important than the AFCC games? Can you confirm that as your position?

Right, don't answer the question or anything. Just call it "dumb." Regular season games are just as important as postseason games? You say that, and then call my words dumb? THERE IS NO TROPHY FOR REGULAR SEASON GAMES! That's what these guys are playing for! A TROPHY!

And as we all know, Manning doesn't.

Do they give away cars to guys who win regular season games? Do cities hold parades for a team after a regular season win? Regular season wins are important only insofar as they help a team improve its postseason positioning. This is why teams almost always sit starters in season finales that can't affect playoff seeding.

SB 36: TD, zero turnovers, game-winning FG drive, 86.2 rating. SB 38: 3 TDs, Super Bowl record 32 completions, 354 yards, game-winning FG drive, 100.5 rating. SB 39: 2 TDs, 236 yards, 110.1 rating. He obviously shined in the last two, and it could certainly be argued he shined in the first, given the theatrics of game-winning drive.

You're presupposing that Marino's stats make him greater than those who were able to win Super Bowls. presuppositions can be dangerous in debating origin (as we are debating origin of greatness). I am not, however, indicating that Marino wasn't great (for he was), or that stats play no role in determining who is great and who is not (they do). I am simply pointing out to you that greatness is determined by a wide range of factors, from statistics to postseason success to Super Bowl wins and beyond.

Because to Plato, both playing in the NFL and earning a wage are functions. Obviously, achieving excellence in both would be ideal, but if achieving excellence in only one of the two is all that is possible, it becomes more difficult. But in any case, the player is still seeking excellence of some function.

You're correct. SBs don't make a player better, but better players make SB wins happen.

Again, this is obvious. We're disagreeing on what the purpose of an NFL player is (that is, what makes one player better than another). If one recognizes that the ultimate goal of an NFL player is to be on the last team standing at the end of the season (the Super Bowl winner), then the better player is the one that does more to achieve that goal. If the better player to you is the one that accumulates the most statistics, that's okay. But I think a fantasy football board might be a more appropriate forum for such a discussion.

Actually, Plato, in defining justice, separated a task's purpose from any wage-earning associated with it. Thus, the earning of money by playing in the NFL is classified under the task of wage-earning, while the act of playing in the NFL is an act in itself, and the sole purpose of that act is to win Super Bowls.

Exactly. "I wonder what will happen if Brady wins his 4th and 5th Super Bowls..." Who cares? He hasn't!

Just saying something outlandish doesn't make it so. See above.