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Bob Jones

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  1. 24 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

    And we are still where we were when all this started.  A player has the right to say what he wants, people reading or hearing it have the right to express their opinions if they be negative or positive.  The league and the team have a responsibility to the other players and teams to indicate the player speaks only for himself.
     

    And of course as with seemingly everything these days it all comes down to political persuasion.  Some of the same people who lambasted Kaepernick for his stance fall all over themselves praising Butker.  And vice versa.  


    Speaking as an Independent, both these guys had the absolute right to express themselves however they wanted.  I was OK with Kaepernick kneeling because he cleared it with a Green Beret as being appropriate, and I understand those who hated it.  To me the flag stands for freedom, and what you do with your freedom may be repugnant to me but that’s the way it goes.  


    Same with Butker.  But with Butker I am less understanding because of his views about the LGBTQ community.  Comments like his get like minded folks charged up and that can result in direct harm to folks who simply want to live their lives.  His comments about women?  Women I know waver between being pissed at the guy and laughing at him, and they are OK with someone wanting to be a homemaker.  That’s not a choice the vast majority of women I know would make, but to each her own.

    One big, BIG difference between Kap and Butker is that Kap did his thing on “company time.” To me, and to many others, that makes a world of difference. An analogy would be if right after the SB win, down on the field in post game interviews, Butker would have said some of the stuff he said at the college commencement speech.

  2. Unfortunately, my pool’s water right now. LOL Just added HTH’s “Green to Blue” chemical mix to it about a half hour ago. We’ll see what happens overnight !

  3. One thing that was very interesting to me was the NFL's need to come out with a (puzzling) response for this.

     

    First off, is there EVER a time when a player speaks on behalf of the NFL? Or for that matter, even on behalf of their respective teams? I don’t think so, although maybe somebody can correct me. Both the NFL and all teams have PR departments that speak for them. My belief is that players ALWAYS  speak just for themselves.

     

    Secondly, the NFL made a point to say that they are "inclusive" to everybody. My reading of Butker's speech sees nothing that says certain people shouldn't be NFL fans, or NFL refs, or NFL/team employees. The main complaint was that he wants women to be "barefoot and pregnant, and in the kitchen." I'm pretty sure that even if the latter accusation was true (it's not), he'd still want them to be NFL fans, and watch games on Sundays, Mondays, Thursday, Saturdays, and Christmas, or buy NFL gear. LOL  Also, you can opine that transgenderism is wrong and is a mental illness, but that doesn’t mean you dislike those folks, or that you don't want them to be fans.

     

    Finally, the biggest criticism of the NFL was that were very quick to respond to this while they stay silent on many other  cases where their players are doing things FAR WORSE than what Butker did. IMO, that criticism is justly deserved.

  4. Somewhat pertinent to this matter. Edit to Add: Seems that in this case, as in many other similar cases over the past several years, the pitchfork carrying mob coming after Butker has taken his comments out of context and/or “read between the lines” to infer something he never said. That’s the gist of this tweet below. And I’d bet the farm that 90% of the people signing petitions, and who are “outraged” over this, have NOT even listened to his whole speech.

     

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  5. 14 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

    They entertain the masses. Everyone spends money on something that removes them from the reality of life. A lot of people choose sports.

    I agree, and that is a good point.

     

    My point is that the cost for the average guy is getting way too high….as we’re seeing with the PSLs/new stadium….folks are getting “priced out.” The latter also applies to other big time sports too….people’s discretionary spending is way down currently too. And regular Joes/Janes put in 40-50 hours a week of real work get paid a pittance to what most athletes are getting nowadays. There comes a point when the resentment/jealousy/envy boils over and you’re done with being a fan.

     

    Like somebody else surmised, if I wasn’t a 50+ years suffering Bills fan, who is hoping for them to win a SB, I’d be done watching the NFL right now.

  6. On 5/13/2024 at 6:05 PM, Buffalo_Stampede said:

    Yeah I’ve been seeing people celebrating Josh’s contract. He’s going to get more than everyone. Probably over $60

    million when it’s all done.

    It's just mind boggling, isn’t it? You ever step back and think about the big picture? Makes me wonder how we ever got to this point.

     

    Somebody could come out of college, get a "good" job paying $100k per year, get small increases for the next 44 years, work 50 weeks a year, 5 days a week, and make maybe $5-6 million.

     

    And then we have athletes who can make TEN TIMES that amount for roughly 7 month's work! I guess they'll keep getting paid even more, until the fans finally say "we've had enough and we don’t care anymore." Personally, I'm almost there.

  7. 3 hours ago, MJS said:

    And they act like a streaming service hosting a game is the worst thing in the world. What about the days of games being blacked out? Or having to spend an arm and a leg for NFL Sunday Ticket, which you had to have an expensive cable subscription on top of anyway?

    Pretty sure you need a high speed internet service for streaming video, no? That ain't cheap. And this is especially true if you have: multiple users, WFH users, security cameras using the connection, etc.

  8. 18 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

    General ticket revenue is split with the visiting team. Suite revenue stays with the home club. The other owners do have an interest. 

    So you make my point then, as the Bills (as long as they're good/JA is around) would have been selling out ALL seats in the current stadium. With as much as PSLs AND higher new tickets cost, they may not be selling out all the non-suite seats in the new place. We shall see.

     

    If I'm reading the signs correctly, and from perusing social media over the past week, I think I am, the Bills have overestimated their ability to get fans to buy in at these high costs.

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  9. 38 minutes ago, Gregg said:

     

    Different time and era. The league would probably pressure the Bills to move if they stayed in the current stadium. Many of the owners commented on the Bills in recent years that it is a great football market, but they need a new stadium to maximize revenues in the WNY. New stadiums, PSL fees, increased tickets prices is the way of life now in the NFL. The league has been marketing themselves in other countries to build their wealth. Sucks for the average fan who will be priced out but that is the reality now.

    Why would other owners care how much $$$ the owner(s) of the Bills rakes in? Shouldn't they mind their own effing business?

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  10. 6 minutes ago, Steptide said:

    Something is only worth what people will pay for it. If people will pay 20-50k, good on them. If not, those prices will drop really quick. Pegula just better hope this team is still good come 2026/27. People arnt gonna pay these prices with a crap product. This isn't 2007. We long held super low ticket prices, and that definitely helped the fan base keep coming to games. 

    That's why they're making people pay up front, even telling people to get a bank loan and pay it off in 10 years! They are hoping enough people will be OK with the initial PSLs, and they'll have all their PSL money by opening day in 2026. After that, they don’t care.

  11. 5 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

    Hockey is nothing close to the game I fell in love with as a kid anyway.  Much more boring product IMO.

    Same here....the French Connection, Don Luce and his backhands & shorthanded goals, Gerry Meehan knocking the Flyers out of the playoffs in 1972 with a weak shot from basically the blue line, Workman Jim Lorentz, Danny Gare the Sniper, the Fog game with the Flyers in 1975, Korab & Schoenfeld on the back line..."Have another donut, you fat pig" (said to referee Don Koharski), and real fights.

     

    Sadly, just like most everything else in today's world, the NHL was way better 40-50 years ago.

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  12. 38 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

    Point of the psls was for owners to recoup money at the end of the day... I don't think they care if the fan gets more chances or not to another event

     

    Every new stadium will have psls because the owner wants to get some of his money back

    This part is sort of mind boggling, and also maddening. So the owners want to make tens of millions in profit every year, and have their team increase by many millions in value every year, and not have to pay one dime for capital costs, such as a new stadium every 30-40 years!? They want to “get their money back”, and never have to have any cost for their business, like 99% of all other businesses?!
     

    I guess if there’s enough suckers to keep feeding them money, and paying ALL the costs for their businesses…..even though they’re billionaires who can afford it way more than everybody else…..they will happily take it, and will be laughing all the way to the bank.

     

    Honestly, it makes me sick, and makes me come very close to just say I’m done with it, and never watch the NFL again. As it  is, I’ve cut way back on how many games I watch every week, when I used to watch about 3x as many per week.

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  13. 2 hours ago, Ga boy said:

    Doubt there’s a correlation between his offseason and WR drops and route running and speed and contested catches.

    You seem to be implying that JA never makes a bad throw, or never makes a bad decision on where to go with his throws, which is nonsense. He certainly has *some room* for improvements.

  14. 55 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

    And some people cried over $7 to stream a game from the comfort of their own home last year.

    The notion of paying $400-$1000 a month to attend Bills games is just mind boggling. I guess if you got money to burn, have at it, but for most people I would think this would never be given more than 3 seconds of thought before they say (to the Bills organization) “Ha ha, Are you Nuts!?”

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  15. Unless this question is put to JA17 in say, July, AND he answers it honestly, there’s no possible way anybody knows the answer to this question.

     

    OK, maaaayyyyyybeee his Mom or Dad would know, or some other close family member, but even that’s not a sure thing.

     

    I definitely think he has some room for improvement, but I’m not sure that doing anything in the offseason will help him make better decisions as to where/who to throw the ball to in the season.

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