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    Jordan Palmer on Allen - It’s more about the loss Brian Daboll, who Bellicheck says is elite

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    10 hours ago, Mango said:

    The more I sit with this the more I see it similar to Michael Irvin. You can tell Josh to play smart. You can yell at him. But you can’t signal to the public that he’s dumb (pointing at your head).

     

    Palmer doesn’t help here. By publicly saying  “He misses Daboll” he’s also saying “Josh is broken and needs help”.

     

    But also…WTF does Josh pay this guy for. It’s week 1 and this was a mess. How can a private QB coach be like “It’s the OC” after spending more time with him than anybody in the offseason? And then be like “The real secret sauce isn’t me or his current OC, it’s the HC of the Giants?

    Exactly. Palmer saying this a) diminishes Josh's abilities (the greatness could only be harnessed by one man who isn't Josh and b) makes Palmer's influence seem insignificant.

     

    Josh IS responsible for his poor play week 1 and league-leading turnover over long stretches of time and needs to be held accountable. But Palmer should be more careful when discussing his clients in public.

    What will happen with Josh over the next month?

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    1 hour ago, Lieutenant Aldo Raine said:

    Too many cooks in the kitchen and by trying to appease them all, he's getting away from his game.  Now his head is all messed up and he's not processing correctly in my opinion.  Say what you will about Dabol, but i do believe he was the one constant in Josh's head.  Now it seems he has too many cooks in the kitchen.  We know Diggs stated just get in the air and I'll make the play - well what did Josh do, forced prayers to Diggs that had no reason to be thrown.  And then you got both McDermott and Diggs pointing at their head to Josh on national Tv to use his head and be smart.   

     

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/michael-irvin-blasts-bills-stefon-diggs-sean-mcdermott-for-how-they-treat-josh-allen/ar-AA1gCG18

     

    So I agree with Simon that he needs to get out of his own head, but he needs to cut out all the outside cooks - to include trying to appease Diggs and let it come naturally.  

    Wow, respect for Irvin... Never would have anticipated that. 


    Maybe he's right, at least about Diggs doing that. There's a time and a place to tell your QB he's being dumb. Then again, losing your season opener maybe waiting to get to the dressing room is too late. But I respect Irvin for what he said.

    Where is the data to suggest that things will change?

    in The Stadium Wall

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    Reasonable logical conclusions need to be drawn on a dataset that has a large enough sample size. 

    Josh has the most turnovers (and overall touchdowns) in the last five years or so, I heard in a video today.

     

    And Beast's thread on his TD/INT ratio since last year's KC game is a large sample of very recent evidence that Josh has been a turnover machine for a long stretch now.

     

    He played poorly against Miami and Cincy in the playoffs.

     

    And then, after all the talk and off-season resetting and "focus," he played a horrible game last night. The sample size is large and it absolutely recent.

     

    Is his elbow to blame? His O-line? His coaching? His head-space?

    I don't know. And I hope I'm wrong but until Josh starts to play at an elite level for a good stretch and including against elite teams, I think at the moment he is no longer an elite QB. An elite athlete, yes, but he has not shown elite game processing for a long time time.


    I hope I'm wrong and/or it turns around. I'm not super confident. 😕

     

     

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