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  1. 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

    I’m not familiar with how rape investigations go. I know they can take a long time. The pretext calls happened not long after the alleged rape.

     

    The police first questioned Matt Araiza in late July. Araiza’s reaction to the questioning was to hire a criminal defense attorney. 
     

    So the police questioned Araiza 9 months after this video. We’re not trained detectives. There’s a reason those 3 football players were under investigation. I’m sure the girl lied about some stuff. She probably also believes some details happened that didn’t. Who hasn’t tried to piece together what they did after a night of heavy drinking?

     

    I think most people believed she was lying about her age at the party. It doesn’t explain why witnesses told her Matt Araiza was one of the guys that was in the room. If that is also a lie then there’s no charges and no case. We’ll find out soon enough. The video clips do not solve the case.

     

     

    That is not what she says in the interviews. She was told by witnesses who the guys were. 
     

    There are different versions. Araiza’s lawyer said they have witnesses. That’s the version you’re mentioning. 

    You again don't know because the ,( alleged tapes) have not been released 

  2. 23 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

    Time frame is impossible to know from the video. But an important thing is she says witnesses told her who everyone involved was. She claims she didn’t know.

     

    This case will come down to witnesses. Witnesses said Matt Araiza and the 2 other players were in the room when the rape happened. The girl didn’t know. 

    Wrong again. Witnesses said arazia was not in the house. Including friends and aquiantences of Jane doe. 

  3. 1 hour ago, JESSEFEFFER said:

    That's her at :07 too.

     

    Also odd that in both those brief clips she puts her age at 18 which would be a lie from what we know.  I don't think anyone else in the video mentions their age at all.  Tough to get the statutory rape charge filed with this video hanging out there. If there were charges filed, the sum total of all the video evidence would need to support them.  That may be why there haven't been charges filed yet.

    It's still very much possible she was obviously being very flirty, drinking and hours after arazia left she was raped. 

     

    I remember at a bar years ago this girl was drunk and acting very much the same. A couple guys lost control and basically started groping her ridiculously and she screamed for them stop. If she was in private with them I 100% believe they would've raped her. 

     

    There was a very similar movie in 80s with Jodi foster in it that portrayed a similar context 

  4. 7 minutes ago, Beerball said:

    Wanting to know why is normal, we're inquisitive creatures. Demanding that we have the right to know is something else altogether. (not intimating that you did that)

    Nobody is demanding we know. 

     

    Wanting to know, demanding. Two different things 

    7 minutes ago, muppy said:

    my final word on this topic is I am a parent. I cannot empathize with they having lost a child. But I have had tragic loss within my sons friends group. Magnify That by how many tens of thousands of people with vested interest in Luke Id be keeping my private life private too.  I'm out.

     I agree and understand this perspective 100%

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  5. 15 minutes ago, muppy said:

    can you not imagine how a family revealing in public something already so painful (losing a young son)  would increase not only the exposure but possible trolls and idiot low lives who would/could exacerbate their pain with nasty remarks in social media? It is Their family business. Just my opinion. It may be too painful for them to talk about.  And when they think it's right make more information public *shrugs* Or not. 

     

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    Can you imagine losing multiple family members and friends and not being able to talk about it. 

     

    Can you imagine losing your job and livelihood, businesses destroyed. 

     

    Can you imagine violating a multitude of civil rights, privacy rights, being ostracized from people. 

     

    But knowing all this, the anger people feel, we still respect the Knox family and their rights. If only that same approach was given the past two years...

     

    In some respect I'm glad it happened because it revealed to me a lot about people and their true character 

     

     

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  6. 7 minutes ago, muppy said:

    can you not imagine how a family revealing in public something already so painful (losing a young son)  would increase not only the exposure but possible trolls and idiot low lives who would/could exacerbate their pain with nasty remarks in social media? It is Their family business. Just my opinion. It may be too painful for them to talk about.  And when they think it's right make more information public *shrugs* Or not. 

     

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    Why do you keep bringing up the issue of privacy as if people disagree or don't understand the the issues with revealing what happened. 

     

    Everyone knows. It's why I and others respect the right to privacy and other rights. I and others kept our principles and valued those rights. The irony here is the same people who are talking about privacy rights, didn't respect them earlier. They went where the wind blew 

    5 minutes ago, Buffalo ill said:

    I applaud them for keeping it private. Don't give in to the internet mob.

    You should applaud any decision they make regarding their privacy. Not what you want 

  7. Everything comes to an end. It's imo as hard as it is to admit the greatest dynasty in sports history for a myriad of reasons. 

     

    Patriots fans are having a hard time coming back to reality. Like the hilarious comparison between Jones and Brady... It's like dude Mac may be a decent QB, but you're never going back to what you had. 

     

    It's like Celtic fans thinking they could replace bird after he retired right away. 

     

    It's insane to think like that 

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  8. 4 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

    You got that bass ackwards there. 

     

    Uncle Bill affects you and your family. 

     

    That's not gossip, that's sharing personal information within your family of a legitimate concern. 

     

    Knowing about the death of someone else that will have a very small chance of impacting anything that you do in your daily life is gossip.

    Again you're either ignoring what we've said 3x now or just didn't see it...

     

    Everyone agrees if the Knox family wants to keep this private that should be respected. Nobody disagrees with that. 

     

    Why ppl want to know is a different issue and you're ass backwards because it effects everyone

     

    Two different issues, not mutually exclusive 

    Wanting to know the facts ( if available) is the opposite of gossiping 

    Again this is a legitimate concern. Trying to say it's not is evil and disgusting

     

    But again it's truly ironic you talking about this being a private issue. We never wanted privacy violated....

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  9. 55 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

    You are spot on,  mostly is not anyone else’s business, people who insist on a false need to know are just gossipy folk who feel entitled to nose into some other persons/families business, those people basically suck at this aspect of being decent humans, jmo.

    It's literally the opposite of gossiping. Ppl have a legitimate concern. Therefore they want to know the cause of death. If it was gossip it would be a Thanksgiving party and talking about uncle bills gambling problem.... Trying to make illegitimate people's concerns are pretty ridiculous at this point. 

     

    Again everyone also understands the Knox family and the need for privacy. Nobody is disagreeing with that. 

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  10. 1 hour ago, Rocky Landing said:

    The Knox family is entitled to their privacy. 

    Nobody said they weren't. Again that's not the point being made. 

     

    Everyone is sad and cares about Dawson. Everyone respects his privacy. The concern ppl have is not mutually exclusive to that

    16 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

    Do you not understand that maybe the family wants to grieve in peace? Or they do not want a bunch of strangers passing judgment on their son on Twitter? If the family truly believes there's something to be gained by releasing information, then they'll do it. They shouldn't do it to satisfy the macabre curiosity of a bunch of strangers.

    Ironic ...

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  11. 49 minutes ago, In Summary said:

    Makes me wonder if the Bills will vary or evolve their defense this year or leave it as it has been. Primarily thinking about using 3 LBs and playing man coverage more.

    I think getting Elam and the emergence of Benford will allow them to play more man. More blitzing. Terrell Bernard was extremely dangerous blitzing at Baylor 

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  12. On 8/31/2022 at 1:28 PM, The Frankish Reich said:

    Thanks. As the old saying goes: never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. 
    There is no legal doctrine that would ever make the Bills liable for damages. None. So maybe this was an attempt to put a squeeze on the deep pocket - the Bills - since without an NFL punting job Araiza is just a 22 year old kid with no real job prospects. I guess the theory would be “you are not legally liable, but if you give us money anyway my client may sign a non disclosure agreement and you can keep the Punt God on your roster without fear of this blowing up later.” If so, the Bills made a prudent business decision and just extricated themselves from a mess that was not of their making. 
    I can’t help but thing this poor girl is being used by an unscrupulous operator, in it for his own publicity rather than his client’s best interest. If anything, going full fiasco mode here makes a prosecution less likely, not more likely, and the poor girl is left with no one to collect damages from (a judgment against an unemployable punter?) and no criminal charges against him either. 

     

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  13. On 9/1/2022 at 4:24 PM, BullBuchanan said:


    I imagine if we as a society put in a sliver as much effort to trying to solve sexual assault cases as some people do in trying to find any possible way to discredit a rape victim, there probably wouldn't be 100s of thousands of unprocessed rape kits in this country and thousands->millions of sexual predators walking around our streets. It's a shame we have no control over that. A damn shame.

    Nobody is trying to go into a potential sexual assault/ rape case discrediting the alleged victim. That's literally not a real thing.

     

    Nobody is implying or thinks if she said all kinds of ridiculous stuff on tape, that it means she deserved to be raped. That's a psychotic and strange thing to think ...  

     

    She's clearly flirting on tape and she's clearly telling everyone she is 18. All it does it paint a more clear context on her senses and what the atmosphere was like before an alleged rape took place.

     

    It's completely normal for ppl to judge others ( especially in context of previous statements and reputation) on how we do or don't take what ppl say seriously or not. Was this person lying before? Is this person known for x y or z? If this person did lie before, is it relevant to the actual case? Does arazia have a past reputation of abuse? What do his friends, aquiantences say about him? Past gfs?  Etc etc

     

    To simply believe anyone on anything on it's face , it's not only stupid and naive, it's extremely dangerous

     

     

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