Lori
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We need a front page story on how a 11th grader who writes for their school newspaper could write better and more interesting articles than tim graham. And we were sad to see him whine and take his ball and go home?
You know, I was sitting here wondering whether or not I should keep bothering to slap together the previews. Between this and some of your previous cheapshots at a friend of mine, thanks for making my decision for me. !@#$ it.
Later.
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That is the whole point. If you bring your name and job to an Internet message board (particularly one as tame as TSW), you shouldn't act surprised when you get more attention than some randoms (read: criticism). Most of us choose not to use our real identities for just that reason.
Which is precisely why the owner of this site issued a point of emphasis on this topic earlier this year:
I would like to state upfront what the policy is here, and I'm embarrassed that it has to be spelled out for some of you.
We have some special guests here that provide their time, knowledge and insight to us and for that we are grateful. They do this for free. We welcome their participation and we will do what we need to do in order to facilitate that.
Feel free to engage these individuals with your questions and your comments in a reasoned, tactful manner. You don't have to like what they report. You don't have to agree with what they report. But I can assure you that from this point forward your engagement with them on THIS forum will be respectful.
If you can't phrase your comment or objection as if these individuals were sitting across the dinner table from you - then just keep it to yourself. Plain and simple. Just don't write it.
If you lack restraint - we will quickly provide that for you. We wish you luck in your future endeavors. This goes for old-timers and newbies alike.
For those of you wanting to argue this - don't bother. I will not side with your lack of civility, I will not side with ignorant ramblings over professionalism.
Let me reiterate, tactful criticism and skepticism are welcomed. Being a rude jackass is not.
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Some of this stuff really makes me wonder what portion of the posters here have never been on other Internet-based message boards.
I suspect that John Wawrow posts here to get his name out there more, so that his writings reach a wider audience. Or maybe just for fun, who knows. Most people "bother" continuing to participate here because they enjoy the back and forth that these Internet-based message boards offer.
"You are a dummy" has grown to mean "I disagree with the opinion that you expressed in your previous posting" on Internet-based message boards. This may offend your humanistic sensibilities, but it's just the nature of the beast. You can try to keep your corner of the Internet from changing to meet these modern communicative norms, but you'll just end up with smaller debate amongst a hold-out crew of like-minded folks. That is a choice to be made by the owners of this domain, but successful Internet-based message boards and their posters have adapted to this style.
I'd like to think that after 12 years and with more than 10,000 registered users, The Stadium Wall would qualify as successful. And since you were replying to me, I've been here (and on several other boards) since the mid-'90s.
And suggesting that, because John isn't a "columnist", his pieces are devoid of opinion rings hollow with me. So, I'll simply say that I disagree with the opinion that you expressed in your previous posting. Every writer injects their own style (which is generally colored by their opinions and life experiences) into their work, and people may or may not enjoy it and may or may not criticize it.I just generally dislike the whole notion of, "I was personally attacked for posting my opinions on an Internet-based message board! It isn't worth it to post here because my feelings were hurt!".
Frankly, it isn't "worth" anything to post on a message board such as this. It's just a fun thing that we do to engender debate among a community of individuals sharing a similar interest. If you have any experience on such message boards, you should fully expect that you will catch some heat when you post things that others disagree with. You should expect criticism in the manner that it is generally delivered in this medium - with a bit of bite. You should also expect a bit stronger bite if you separate yourself from the "regular" contributors by positioning yourself as an authority or give yourself a bit of "celebrity". To not expect that to place a target on yourself for extra criticism seems foolish.
Just my opinion, hopefully in a style that doesn't violate the Terms of Service
To think that anyone deserves to be attacked merely because of their job description is what seems foolish to me.
As for John and Tim "choosing" to post under their own names, using a pseudonym to write about a subject they cover is simply not an option. It would be unethical at best -- and in fact, under the current ESPN social-media policy, it might be a fireable offense.
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If you can't handle criticism, you shouldn't be a writer producing opinion pieces for the public to consume.
If you can't handle what happens on an Internet-based message board, you shouldn't post on one.
If you think that someone saying that the opinion pieces you write and produce for public consumption are bad and feel that is "attacking" you, you probably aren't cut out for that line of work.
Don't put yourself in the public eye if you can't handle people disagreeing with your opinions/style/work product. How this is rocket science is beyond me.
1. Wawrow is not a columnist, and doesn't write opinion pieces.
2. There's a difference between legitimate criticism and personal attacks.
3. The latter are prohibited in the TBD Terms of Service, which some people choose to ignore.
Over 20 has it right: why bother continuing to participate?
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That was my line about Bentley, not Badol's, ya galoot.
Good seeing both you and Kevin, as always. (He probably appreciated me not trying to monopolize his day with shoptalk this time.
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Just hope he understands that after THIRTEEN YEARS (and counting) without a home playoff game, our patience has long since worn threadbare.
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So if it's going to take three more years to rebuild, he's cool with me dumping my season tix till then, right?
Thanks for the heads-up, jw. Look forward to reading the full story sted the brief.
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I really don't get how you cut Ellis before McCargo. How in the world is McCargo still on this team? He should have been cut in training camp.
...in 2008.
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Leaving home in less than an hour. See ya at Lot 1 Pole 5
Laggard.
Seeya there.
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Where are all of the geniuses that ran these guys out of town because they thought the Oline was the reason why Edturds stunk. Great job! We are in much better shape now. I'm sure Ralph appreciates your support of his decision to pinch some pennies, save some money and keep us WAY under the cap.
Let's see: Russ Brandon is still in the Bills front office (although with a vastly reduced role), and I believe Dick Jauron is now the DBs coach in Philadelphia. You were talking about the gentlemen who actually decided to trade one player and release the other, weren't you?
Brandon talking about Peters:“Here’s a player that we brought in as a undrafted free agent, we developed, we signed to an over-market contract,” Brandon said. “And the one misnomer in that contract was, he had an escalator clause if he would ever move to left tackle. He was not making bottom money at all. He was paid very handsomely. And we told Jason – I personally told Jason – that we would not renegotiate his contract with three years left on it, because he was not our priority. Lee Evans was our priority. I said, ‘You come back to camp, and once we get Lee done, you become a priority.’ The day that we signed Lee, I had him come to my office, and I said, ‘You are now the priority.’ We worked on that for five or six months, and we offered Jason an enormous contract – the largest contract in Bills history – and he had no interest in it. None. That was right at the conclusion of the season.
“From our standpoint, history is the greatest predictor. We felt very strongly that Jason was not going to come back to camp, was not going to participate, and we were going to be in the same situation. And we felt as an organization that we should not do that to you the fans, and to our organization. Coach Jauron mentioned the word cohesion on the offensive line It’s the most important part of our operation, the cohesion in that line. And with that type of atmosphere, you don’t have that cohesion.
“Quite frankly, I was somewhat stunned when you look at some of the trades that happened in the offseason, with Matt Cassel and Mike Vrabel going for a second-rounder and some of the other moves that were made. When that first-rounder came available, along with a few other picks, we felt it was the right move, and we were able to do some things along the offensive line. We think we have the offensive line together now for the next five to seven years, if some of our draft picks pan out the way we anticipate they will.”
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That's what I would've assumed, but I don't get the implication that OBD's press conference was setup because of Sully. Nor do I get why the poster implied News would "leak" it.
It was set up because multiple writers requested to speak to him Wednesday morning. Sullivan's take from his ongoing chat:
Jason:Hey so you call out Nix for talking, then he talks and you don't show. What gives?
Sully:
I expected that, Jason. I worked Wednesday. I write columns every Wednesday off media day. All the media are there on Wednesdays. There was a request for Buddy put in at 9 a.m. He never showed. I was off Thursday. I don't come running just because Buddy decides to do it on his terms. I've been doing this for a long time and sparred with much better football men than him.
Then he gives the media eight minutes.
http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sully_on_sports/2010/10/live-chat-with-sully-1.html
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I'd bet the farm he finished it before 6 pm. Once it's written, I'm presuming it has to be copyedited, formatted, etc.
Correct; if at all possible, they'd want that proofed and paginated well before they started getting stuff from the evening games. The special Sabres section due out on Thursday would've added to the desk's workload, and at some point that night, they probably had to rip up their front page for the Halladay no-hitter. For those asking about the 11:12 p.m. timestamp on the online version, the website isn't updated until after the print edition has been put to bed. (In English, sent to the pressroom.) Think they have a 10:30 p.m. deadline.
Following its own round of editing and post-production, the News' Jax preview video was posted at 5:45 p.m. Wednesday. Guessing they did that on the way out, and that Sully's column had already been filed at that point.
I've also heard from a couple of other guys who cover the team that not everyone got the memo for the session with Nix. Entirely possible that the regular beat writers, the ones who are there every day instead of just the Wednesday sessions, were the only ones informed. (That's just a guess, though.)
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When was the last time they couldn't sell out a home game in October?
Halloween '04. Arizona.
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hmmm...sullivan likely was as well. do morning columns usually get written after 6pm?
No, unless they're written off an evening game or breaking news. In fact, I'm guessing Sullivan wrote it before he left One Bills Drive yesterday afternoon.
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with all due respect, and to be fair to all, must point out that i was informed by the Bills at around 6 p.m. last night that Nix was going to be made available some time today.
jw
Thanks for the info. That certainly does cast his sudden reappearance in a different light.
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Lori, Isn't it standard practice for most normal teams (not Bills) that whenever a personnel transaction or even organizational change such as coaching change is made that the GM comments on that change to the press?
With respect to the Bills do they regularly meet with the press on certain days, as many other teams do, or do they do it on an ad hoc basis?
If you or Tim G or Jerry S or Allen W wanted some information from the organization who do you all talk to or what office do you call for information or a clarification?
In my view the Bills are a very opaque organization. They must be trying to hide the dysfunction which is very visible to most people.
Whoa, now -- don't lump me in with the guys who are actually accredited by the team. Doubt anyone in that building (outside the ticket office or Guest Services) would answer my call.
But to answer your question, VP/Communications Scott Berchtold is in charge of the PR staff -- when "the Bills" release an official statement, for example -- but I think Director of Media Relations Chris Jenkins and Manager of Media Services Matt Heidt handle most of the day-to-day stuff. Believe Jenkins was the one who discussed the training-camp sideline restriction with various members of the media, whose concerns led to the policy being revised to allow better access.
Add: Should also note that many GMs -- Bill Polian and Mike Tannenbaum spring immediately to mind -- make regularly-scheduled radio appearances. Guess we were spoiled by all those years of the "Polian (and later Butler) Show."
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Looks like someone inside One Bills Drive read the paper this morning.
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Not buying the town line argument - do EMS services stop at the town line? I don't see how this is much different - it is a public safety issue and falls within the common good of the municipality. Yeah, they may be rural, but obviously not rural enough to not make any fire service impractical - the neighbors were covered (if you have a cabin way out in the wilds of Montana or Alaska I can see your point).
The problem is that nobody wants to do what should be done and actually tax people to provide this type of service. I can bet some tax cutting politicians cut the service so that each person in town could save $23 a year and anybody who thought about doing the right thing and taxing for it would have been blasted as some evil monster who wanted to raise your taxes. This is what happens when you let politics dictate public safety policy and have people who believe the only benefits government should provide are those they directly use, common good be damned.
South Fulton, TN doesn't have its own EMS. Looks like the hospital in Union City, 20 miles away, has the only ambulance service in the entire county. Closest one appears to be across the state line, Twin Cities in Fulton, KY, which is the one that responded to the fire hall when Cranick's son assaulted the chief. And from what I've read, nobody cut fire service to outlying areas -- it was never there to begin with.
For reference, this is the "street" address: http://www.411.com/maps/directions?lower=5&search_id=40071371122758141100
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It should be mandatory in whatever he pays via taxes. He probably paid something in taxes, just not the "added protection." ?? If nobody pays, then they make it mandatory or a lien is slapped on the house or whatever... People still pay their taxes all the time. I am surprised the insurance company didn't make it mandatory. They gotta be fuming.
As previously explained in the stories I posted, that would be zero. No Obion County taxes go to fire protection, and he did not live in the municipality he called to come put the fire out.
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Time for Obion County to set up fire protection districts to make sure every part of the county is covered ... like the eight fire departments in the county, including the one in South Fulton, suggested they do in 2008. Someone want to ring up the county commissioners and see what happened to that proposal?
Oh, gee, guess what?
http://www.ucmessenger.com/news.php?viewStory=46976Posted: Tuesday, October 5, 2010 1:07 pm
By CHRIS MENEES
Staff Reporter
An interlocal agreement for county-wide fire protection that has been two years in the making is being sent to the Obion County Commission for a vote.
The Obion County Budget Committee voted at its session Monday morning at the Obion County Court-house to send the Interlocal Agreement for County Wide Fire Protection to the full commission for a vote when it convenes Oct. 18.
The lengthy and detailed agreement was presented to the budget committee by fire committee vice chairman Tim Doyle, who explained the committee met as recently as last week and “tweaked it a little.”
Barn door, horse, et cetera, et cetera.
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Interesting debate. Curious as to the logistics at work here, I looked up the "city" of South Fulton, and discovered that not only is it smaller than my own tiny rural town, their entire department consists of two engines, a pumper, a brush truck, a cascade system (to refill SCBA), and 17 volunteer firefighters (of which only five had achieved basic FF1 certification in 2008). Seriously, it's remarkable that a department of that size could even survive, much less provide coverage outside the city limits.
But in the end, once they DID respond ...
Washington, DC – International Association of Fire Fighters General President Harold Schaitbergertoday issued the following statement on the September 29 fire in Obion County, Tennessee:
“The decision by the South Fulton Fire Department to allow a family’s home to burn to the ground was
incredibly irresponsible. This tragic loss of property was completely avoidable. Because of South
Fulton’s pay-to-play policy, fire fighters were ordered to stand and watch a family lose its home.
“Everyone deserves fire protection because providing public safety is among a municipality’s highest
priorities.
“Instead, South Fulton wants to charge citizens outside the city for fire protection. We condemn South
Fulton’s ill-advised, unsafe policy. Professional, career fire fighters shouldn’t be forced to check a list
before running out the door to see which homeowners have paid up. They get in their trucks and go.”
Agreed, pay-to-play EMS services are untenable. Time for Obion County to set up fire protection districts to make sure every part of the county is covered ... like the eight fire departments in the county, including the one in South Fulton, suggested they do in 2008. Someone want to ring up the county commissioners and see what happened to that proposal?
Adding one more note from the local newspaper: http://www.nwtntoday.com/news.php?viewStory=46801
Vowell said people always think they will never be in a situation where they will need rural fire protection, but he said City of South Fulton personnel actually go above and beyond in trying to offer the service. He said the city mails out notices to customers in the specified rural coverage area, with coverage running from July 1 of one year to July 1 the next year.At the end of the enrollment month of July, the city goes a step further and makes phone calls to rural residents who have not responded to the mail-out.
“These folks were called and notified,” Vowell said. “I want to make sure everybody has the opportunity to get it and be aware it’s available. It’s been there for 20 years, but it’s very important to follow up.”
Mayor Crocker added, “It’s my understanding with talking with the firefighters that these folks had received their bill and they had also contacted them by phone.”
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Y'know, I see other posts urging visitors to "pop their posting cherry".
I remember when I finally started posting after several years reading, I got responses like "why should we care about your opinion" to questions and providing facts where they seemed appropriate and such.
Might be a little discouraging to a newbie to read that, just saying.
On the other hand, sometimes old hands create a new profile just to have more of the same say.
You mean like the post below? I agree, unnecessary.
Just what this board needs. Another whiner. Gee this is a unique post. Haven't heard those opinions before. Thank you for your brilliant insight.
Any more wisdom you'd care to share with us?
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Probably should've checked his previous tweets:
"I have to say I'm sorry for calling people names. My daughter @oliviajade34 just got on my case... Just blocking idiots from now on..."
"There is going to be MAJOR BLOCKING TODAY......."
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It's going to be ugly with the Steelers in town. There will be more of their fans than Bill's fans in the seats.
To be fair, that happens EVERY time they play here. But yeah, there's definitely a reason why that one sold out as soon as it did, one which will be readily apparent when all those friggin' Terrible Towels start twirling.
[OT] Lori's stepfather passed away on Friday....
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Been meaning to get over here ever since I found out about this thread, but it's been a long week, as y'all can imagine. A long year, for that matter. It hurt like hell to say goodbye, but there comes a point when all you can do is wish someone an peaceful end to their suffering.
Thanks for all of your kind words, with special thoughts to SDS, who just went through the same heartache with his own mother.
Cancer sucks.