just1hugheser
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What about trading him for 5 picks; a 1st, 2nd, 4th and 4th and 6th rounders the next year, ??
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Against good teams and in the playoffs it all comes down to the 'dudes' and the Bills have no dudes on their offensive line with maybe the only exception being a fully healthy Dawkins, other than that our Oline is journeymen/undersized technical players. We have no dominant(physically or technically) offensive linemen and it will show up in the regular season against front 7's like this and if we make the playoffs it will definitely be exposed there.
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4 hours ago, Big Blitz said:
It's the trenches. Always.
It never ever changes in the NFL. If you have a great to elite QB and the best team in the trenches, you win.
Last year the Dline cost us.
This year, it looks like interior Oline is going to be an issue - against great fronts. That interior line has to protect and open holes for running backs I'm not convinced are good enough to worry defenses at all.
Always the trenches, if the line plays well no blocked punt, and you force the defense to rush more than 3-4 players and then you can start to implement a gameplan, if not well just re-watch today's game the offense never had a chance unless Allen was playing at his highest level. He's worked a lot on his chemistry with his targets, his mechanics, imo he still needs to drill the mental aspects continually to have a better mental comfortability against any defense like you see in guys who have the mental part down 2nd nature(brady, manning, brees, wilson).
I was worried all off-season that we were too complacent about what we had upfront,(was shocked they didnt bring in a better guard and a more physically competent center, not to mention the tackle position which was basically ignored aside from the draft and there were a lot of quality tackles being moved around this offseason but we're ok with Dion and Daryl and two rookies) yes they had an excellent season last year(the offense as a whole), I'd still argue that we have a serious talent deficiency on the offensive line especially when compared to the other playoff/super bowl contenders.
Can anyone honestly say that our OLine is in the same league as say, Chiefs, Bucs, Browns, Ravens, Indy, Packers, Pats, Saints, Cowboys, Rams, 49ers, Lions, Philly, Tenn. ?
Ok maybe we can be considered in the same league as Philly and Tenn but the rest of the list is head and shoulders better than the Bills and the rest of the league, I can almost guarantee the super bowl champ in on that list the only other way to be that effective in the playoffs without a top 5-10 Oline is to have a top 5 Dline/Defense.
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I am pretty much against these types of questions, not because they shouldnt be asked but because in most situations its a mutualism.
Meaning that if you take any part by itself it is still functional but as part of the whole its becomes something greater. (sumthing about parts being greater than wholes or soemthing like that). Same with like any head coach and great QB, they are probably still successful apart but do not reach even near the heights they reach when together. If people would stop looking to blame or praise just one person or one side and see that everything is connected and important no matter what the role in the system that is being filled, however large or small a part without each the whole thing eventually collapses or at least doesn't reach its full potential. Its just that only the sith deal in absolutes. . .
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9 hours ago, P Riv said:
Agreed on all. I haven't seen it pointed out yet, but to me the most obvious coaching issue was the overall gameplan going in to all 4 match ups. If you have a smaller, fast defense that is going against the road grader O-lines of the NFC East... WHY TF do you run a no huddle offense and leave your defense out there???????????? The Bills O-line was just as good, just as big and just as capable of smash mouth as the NFC East teams and Levy couldn't identify the obvious. The obvious being in the Giants game, we got in the red zone and ran a conventional offense with a FB (Mueller) and deliberately rammed it down the Giants throats and they couldn't do a damn thing about it. We should have beat them at their own game and forced them to pass to keep up.
The Redskins game....They were on a different level of physicality than us, not talent. They punched us in the mouth and we complained rather than punch back harder. Again, coaching and preparation.
Go to YouTube, see for yourselves.
I agree about the physicality and washington, the giants secondary did the same thing in the first one at least according to our wr's.
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I F'ing LOVED those golden years teams(88-99), I was especially awed by the Front Office/Polian and how they were able to amass so much talent, also was inspired by how close those players became with each other after some initial adversity which points toward efficient and smart leadership and management(captains and coaches).
When I looked back some years later the thing that really I still have trouble reconciling is how poorly those teams/coaches were at the X's and O's of the game, superb leadership, good time management, good organization, middling to poor at scheming and counter scheming.
1990 Bills- HC> Marv Levy DC> Walt Corey OC> Ted Marchibroda
nyg- HC> Bill Parcells DC> Bill Belichek OC> Ron Erhardt (also Ray Handley, Charlie Weis, Al Groh, Tom Coughlin, Romeo Crennel)
-anyone who argues they weren't out coached by a mile in this game is just not facing reality, easily the worst of the 4 especially with the talent differential
The next year they get a Charlie Casserly built Redskins led by Joe Gibbs whose staff was not nearly as loaded as the giants and who were more on par with the Bills staff, I actually thought the refs had a huge affect on this game when I re-watched it years later but I'd also say Marv and them got out gameplanned in this one too though not as bad. Really that Redskins teams hammered everyone that year, their only close games were against two good ass teams in the Bengals and Cowboys.
Then of course the two vs dallas both times we looked like we were tired of going and afraid to lose again especially in the 4th where they had a lead at halftime but still looked and acted like they had already lost then they don't even try and counter dallas halftime adjustments i meam c'mon tim tim
For the record 1992/3 cowboys- HC> Jim Johnson DC> Dave Wannestedt/Butch Davis OC> Norv Turner (dave campo, jim eddy, cant seem to find any other position coaches).
Coaching matters a lot, a lot a lot
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10 hours ago, Rico said:
Stay away from Rochester, they serve puke on a plate there.
This is only case if you don't know where to go.
See- Wind Jammers by the lake, O'Cals on Monroe, Kithnos @ridge n clinton, some might say the Jeremiahs/MacGregors but they're hit or miss, Murphs in I-Town are up there and Sal's/ Country Sweet have their fans, Bobo's/ChurchBoyz/R's are some would say in the ghetto locations but are good if they know you're from the neighborhood. There's a few other places depending on what Burb your in or what section of the city and depending on how down home or fancy you're trying to get.
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Nice post, totally agree
Arent you glad I added something so profound to the thread?
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'i dont want the vaccine because they made it too fast'- so you are not getting something that you know will reduce your chance of infection and of infecting other people, as well as significantly reduce the severity and strength of infection because you are afraid of some thing that may or may not happen in the future or long term because they made the vaccine too fast and your scared something might happen in the future when all current evidence suggests otherwise
'i dont want the vaccine because i feel like people/my employer/the govt are trying to force my decision'- same principle as above only not being led necessarily by fear but out of oppositional defiance aka spite.
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18 hours ago, thurst44 said:
I cannot narrow it down to one player and that has a lot to do with why I'm so excited about this team--they were 13-3 yet have a bevy of players who could take a huge jump forward (my list in order of):
Ed Oliver
Dawson Knox
Tremaine Edmunds (from marginal Pro Bowler to potential DPoY)
AJ Epenesa
Gabriel Davis
Dane Jackson
Cody Ford
Devin Singletary and/or Zach Moss
There are even players on the bubble like Efe Obada and Justin Zimmer who harbor the potential to make a jump.
I'm giddy for this season!
I was making a similar list, my top two are Oliver and Knox from within and Obada from without.
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17 hours ago, Blainorama5 said:
Not gonna happen, but nice thought.
Midway thru page 2 and no... "Get er done!" comments ??
Folks are slacking in the offseason here.
lol 'our' roster isn't what it used to be (ironically in a good way)
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From my younger years as gifts for a kid who made it readily obvious to anyone that sports and specifically the Buffalo Bills were the most important/only serious concerns in my life> #12 Home Kelly jersey, #34 Away Thomas, #97 Biscuit custom, #78 Smtih, #37 Odomes not really all that strange
Later on in the lost years my go to jersey's were my #24 home Terrence McGee and #26 away Antoine Winfield, and #93 udfa big Pat Williams
Currently #55 Hughes is the go to, for lots of reasons both obvious and not
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This season is very impotant for his development, now its mostly going to come down to mental development> decision making, timing, audibles, a big thing for me will be his decision making/timing when to use his legs because teams will blanket our wrs and dare us to run and he will have to break teams playing this way with his legs(i thought he should have ran a lot more early on and throughout the afc champ game when they were doubling everyone). This will be even more true if we don't get the expected improvement in the run game like we all hope with a continuous starting five on the line.
WIth his physical tools the sky is really the limit but the only way to maximize physical potential is by continual and constant pushing/learning the mental parts of the game.
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On 6/30/2021 at 8:33 PM, Doc said:
Not really opinion: that's where he played in college. Obviously McD and co. know a hell of a lot more than I do, but I think they're trying to find their Kuechly and pounding a square peg into a round hole (that part is opinion). I'd just hate to have tried him at MLB for the first 4 years, (potentially) give up on him and see him excel elsewhere at OLB.
I totally understand this, and feel this a lot of times too, I just keep telling myself to realize that the defense I want us to run(more aggressive as opposed to keep everything in front of you) is NOT THE DEFENSE THIS TEAM WANTS TO RUN/USES, and thats perfectly ok but imo if thats the case you better have a top 5 DLine because the front 4 will have to be able to create havoc against the likes of OLines such as KC's, NE's, DAL's, TEN's, INDY's, GB's, because we are super bowl or bust at this point and going forward simply because of JA. And imo the only way to beat top QBs is to get pressure/hits like moving a shooter off his spot. I am fingers crossed that they have timed the development of Epenesa, Oliver, Johnson, etc. and got a steal in Efe to go with the top two picks this year and we have a nasty rotation and defense.
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16 hours ago, Patrick_Duffy said:
I don't think when it comes to Cam it may not even take an injury to make them decide to go with Jones.
Definitely agree, just thought from a strategic standpoint if they think they can still get a couple wins with cam under center using primarily their oline/run game and defense that way teams dont have as much to work with a far as Jones goes and I figure BB for taking any edge he can get. But they might just decide cam is too much of a liability and they go with Jones either way I hope BB retires soon and McDaniels either leaves or flops as his replacement.
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Tua's a joke, Wilson will be a joke unless they baby him, Jones I think will fit what BB and McDaniels like to do more than Cam and he will takeover, but they will take some wins on Cam's legs the Oline and Defense first to keep defenses from having tape on Jones then when Cam gets hurt later in the season they will transfer over.
The Dolphins have a good roster but Tua limits them so unless we beat ourselves im not worried.
The Jets need a least year before we even know what they have, I think Saleh will be good for them but he's gonna need at least 2 years.
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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Nothing surprising about it. You didn't have to do much research into him to know he was a predictable failure as a head coach.
lol ur right, we all knew he was going to fail, i meant i was surprised to the degree to which he failed/was awful and just mostly because they actually had some talent.
15 hours ago, BillnutinHouston said:Surprisingly?
haha yea i meant i was surprised to the degree of his awfulness/failure. it was like he was actively trying, like someone who took a bet and was throwing a fight
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it depends on what strengths you prioritze in your head coach, some guys are better 'schemers' and some guys are better organizers/managers/leaders and the best are a blend of all that.
I would say McD is more of a bringer together of guys he knows are the best at what they do and hopefully with experience he himself can get better at the specifically head coach things.
Reid and Belichek were schemers first who learned how to be better organizers/leaders etc. imo
Flores is overrated right now, I think they have given him pretty good talent.
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Excellent burn, he was surprisingly awful at being a head coach.
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what QB's and WR's has Ertz played with through this point in his career?
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On 6/25/2021 at 11:26 AM, H2o said:
Ref: "I told you the check cleared this morning and we weren't going to call PI, or Defensive Holding, and let your guys get away with a few cheap shots"
Dude ya, F'ing Romo's 'Sticky Coverage' the only sort of solace was that the exact same thing happened to them when the played Brady in the Super Bowl.
Suprise NFL wanted Mahomes/Reid/KC over Allen/McDermott/Buffalo and then they wanted Brady to get it especially at home in his first season away from NE. It's revolting especially since if they hadnt done anything the results probably would have been the same but even more exciting.
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true hasnt shown much isnt appropriate, i meant hasnt seen the field enough for me to say what we have, the draft profiles are just a place to start if film isnt available, Douglas seems to be like many others this regime leans toward prototypical size and athleticism but was raw and needed development.
1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:Lots of good info in your post, Thanks for all that!
Just going to hone in one one point - for the rookies, it's entirely appropriate to hone in on their draft reports and college film.
But for a guy who's been around the league going on 7 years, my guess is it's not too illuminating. Douglas washed out in his second year on the Dolphins, his draft team. That's a pretty strong argument that he wasn't ready then.
But when a guy manages to stick around the league on the practice squads of good teams - NE won the Superbowl in 2016, Falcons were a 10-6 playoff team in 2017, Titans were a solid team in 2018, and a top rushing team in 2019 and 2020 - it's probably a good bet that he's "shown something".
I'm not even sure what one means when one says "hasn't shown much". Hasn't won himself a starting role, certainly, but he's been fighting his way into some starting time the last couple years. In general, playing guard in the NFL seems to me a position where "no news is good news" and people have to either love OL play or love the team to do a deep dive.
true hasnt shown much isnt appropriate, i meant hasnt seen the field enough for me to say what we have, the draft profiles are just a place to start if film isnt available, Douglas seems to be like many others this regime leans toward prototypical size and athleticism but was raw and needed development.
You make good points with the teams that did try to keep him around, however I personally have not seen enough of him.
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I think the Bills believe Boogs can provide an edge setter/run stuffer when he plays DE and a pocket collapser/stuntman(sets up teammates and has good awareness when stunting) when he lines up on the interior, and imo because of his burst if he works on his hand play a lot he could improve greatly as a pass rusher specifically on the inside but to some degree also on the outside.
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9 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
I, too, wanted Creed Humphrey. But if you look at Daryl Williams contract, it's essentially a $9.75M/yr contract for 1 year (top-6 for a RT), structured as a 3 yr deal.
I think the Beane-meister's thinking is: We used two draft picks as two "shots on goal" towards replacing Williams at RT at a lower cap hit.
We can either move on from Williams next year, if either Brown or Doyle look ready to "step up" and take over at RT for a manageable $3.6M dead cap hit which essentially, is a deferral of this season's salary cap.
Or, we have Williams locked down for 3 years if neither of them look "prime time" ready.
Feliciano can play on either side and at center without missing a beat. He's not the greatest, but he's "rock steady"
Ford, IMHO, they need to decide where they think he slots and leave him there.
I'm by no means an expert, but I think this is conflating gap run blocking with power. And I don't think that's quite right. I think both blocking styles can involve power, but possibly zone more than gap since it's "block whoever comes into your orbit" But I'd rather hang up and listen while someone with more "sauce" explains. For example, Morse is no way a power guy, but was evaluated as a very effective Gap run blocker by the Cover1 guys last season.
I think the Bills are pretty determined to have better run blocking however they get it. Morse job is probably safe this year bar injury, but I don't think either Feliciano or Ford are sho-ins.
In addition to Lamp (who started 16 games at LG for the Bolts last year and 2 the year before) and Boettger (started 7 games for us last season) as returning vets, don't forget Jamil Douglas. Well, everyone else does, but don't you follow the crowd. 😆 He played >50% of the OL snaps for the Titans in 6 games of 2019 and 2 games of 2020 (5 starts). In between being a 4th round draft pick for the Dolphins in 2015 (who got cut next season), he kicked around on the Patriots***, Falcons, and Colts, which argues that he showed enough potential that teams kept keeping him around. And the Titans had a very good run blocking OL last season.
Then there's Jordan Devey, who has actually started more games in the NFL than either Douglas or Lamp (21 starts, for NWE, SFO in '15, KC, and Oak)
Then there's the plethera of rookie interior lineman - not only Jack Anderson, but UDFA Steven Gonzales (Penn State) and Syrus Tuitele (Fresno).
Beane is clearly following the mantra "throw enough at the wall and something will stick" at OL as well as DL.
I too was/is a Creed fan but thought Logic's post in repsonse pretty well covered what I think.
As for the sleepers;
Jamil Douglas(ja-mil doug-las)> I didnt necessarily forget about him its just that he hasnt shown much in some 49 career games and 11 starts.
https://alchetron.com/Jamil-Douglas
Jordan Devey> see above
Jack Anderson(no idea)> not much info, got called soft by one, and a potential inline mauler on the inside by another.
Tommy Doyle(tom-my doy-le)>Same as Syrus needs to put in a ton of technique work and the Bills might not have enough roster spots.
https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Tommy-Doyle-OL-Miami(OH)
https://walterfootball.com/draft2021OT.php
Spencer Brown(spence-r brow-n)> I think he'll surprise a bit being a consistent backup his first year to contending reliable starter in years 2-3.
https://walterfootball.com/draft2021OT.php
Syrus Tuitele(prounouced sy-rus tu-i-tele)>Practice Squad, will have to put in hours and hours drilling footwork and technique but if he does that he could be a steal, but he does need a lot of work.
https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Syrus-Tuitele-OL-FresnoState (check out the right side prosepect #10)
https://walterfootball.com/draft2021OT.php
https://mwwire.com/2021/04/27/2021-nfl-draft-profile-fresno-state-ol-syrus-tuitele/
If I remember correctly Ford is more comfortable at the LG spot and Feliciano the RG spot so I thinnk if Ford wins the competition thats where he ends up.
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