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That’s all we need, bring in this nut bag and undo all the exhaustive background information that helped inform our draft and FA acquisitions for years. Especially after we removed the malcontent Diggs. He’s not a difference maker and the list of available receivers are pretty long and impressive.
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5 hours ago, DC Grid said:
It seems like the Bills keep getting the same guy at safety. Namely an in the box safety. Cole Bishop is now the 3rd in the box guy they’ve signed up for next year as Rapp and Edwards are also in the box safeties. So who on the roster can play deep center? Poyer was a phenomenal in the box saftey and they’ve replaced him in triplicate, but Hyde was a great center fielder (who had lost a step) and there doesn’t seem to be anyone on the roster who can even come close to filling this void. I realize there are a couple of other guys on the roster like Hamlin but none of these guys have ever put anything on tape that merits consideration as a starter at any position. This all seems particularly troubling in a league where the top teams all have great deep options that will run wild if the Bills don’t have a dependable deep center.
There’s a chance Hyde comes back and there will be available safeties after June. Edwards was deployed that way in KC, not necessarily unable to play another way. But Rapp played well against Pitt. In the playoffs, even put the game away with an INT.
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1 minute ago, Trogdor said:
As opposed to the San Diego Chargers East right now? They haven't won anything yet, and the 9/11 jokes weren't exactly helping.
What 911 jokes were you referring to? Do you mean no SBs ? Listen, they give us a great ride every season since we got our QB. It took Peyton, Brees, Stafford , more years than Josh to get theirs. Marino, Kelly , Tarkenton and Rivers never got one. You want to kill Sean for 13 seconds, I understand, but we were decimated the last few seasons on defense and got beat by better rosters. Nothing to whine about. I still think we’re right there.
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1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:
Every blue moon, an intrepid crime podcaster breaks a criminal case. But imagine your daughter was kidnapped and you had a binary choice: (A) You can have the FBI, with all its trained investigators, forensic scientists, labs, subpoena power, police connections, and other resources handle the investigation. (B) You can have Debi from Depew, who views herself as an investigative reporter because she podcasts from her mom’s basement, search for your daughter. I don’t know about you, but I’d choose A.
It's part of fandom to stand by our unfounded opinions, call the GM a moron, and generally spout nonsense. But, if we want to be honest about it, we’re all - to varying degrees - Debi from Depew.
Fans are notoriously lousy at assessing draft picks. Many of us criticized Beane when he picked Josh in the draft while few of us offered up flowers when he chose Milano. And, look, talent evaluation is hard. Go back and look at what sportswriters said five years ago about the draft. Their hit rate isn’t high. Even the analytic guys, armed with their algorithms and statistical analyses, aren’t good. They told us that if Josh became a successful NFL QB, it would shake the very foundations of all math, science, and human knowledge.
I doubt if there’s anyone on this board who knows as much about scouting college players as Tyler Pratt who starts researching and evaluating players at 5:30 am each day and keeps at it until 8pm. Tyler is an area scout for the Bills Personnel Department which includes 18 dedicated fulltime professionals, not including the admin folks, and is aided by 7 equally dedicated professionals in the Analytics & Football Research Department. While none of us matches Pratt hours and expertise, we don’t hesitate to act like we’re smarter than Beane and his entire, fantastically resourced organization.
So when someone starts spouting that Beane is an idiot because he drafted a slow wideout, a lineman with short arms, and a guy who never played football before, I just yawn. Debi from Depew doesn’t interest me. Beane and his team have spent millions of dollars, studied thousands of hours of tape, conducted hundreds of interviews. I just hope the Bills FBI (Foot Ball Investigative) unit is better than the FBI units at our rivals. Time will tell. But I trust Beane and his team of experts far more than Debi from Depew.
After saying to myself after reading one or two of the imbecilic posts breaking down the draft and calling for Beane’s ouster, is this nonsense worth looking at as a fan? And then a post like yours comes along on a white charger from the sky. Beautifully written.
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3 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:
The extra second and extra fourth along with Tre money and a Josh restructure could net a real WR1!!!!
A stud WR, a vet RB, and a vet safety (Hyde/Simmons) would end all this ridiculous talk of a rebuild and we would be talking Superbowl once again.
Excellent points, full agreement. I personally think we’ll be acquiring a vertical threat receiver after June and we will be good to go.
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17 hours ago, oldschoolfootball1963 said:
Bean smashed it, this one will go down as one of the Bills all time draft classes.
Be careful, posting positive reviews of
management decisions gets uniformly rejected by the elite talent evaluators on this board. Drafting at 28 with no 3rd round pick should at least net you 6 starters and at least a probowl receiver. Full agreement on 3 picks (Coleman, Bishop and the center, the DT and Cornerback should be ST and possible rotational depth if they make the cut and the RB could possibly be a compliment to Cook and Johnson. All in all, Beane did well with what he had to work with. Also got some draft capital for 25. -
8 hours ago, mrags said:
And they could have just as easily missed the playoffs with a few less plays. So I guess we’re gonna argue about that. They made it tho. Great. Then did nothing with it. Decided to start AJ Klein at LB to cover the best TE in the history of the league after spending the year on his couch. Guess we’re just gonna have to disagree with how close we are.
I got it, you’re just a glass half empty kind of guy. You’re perfect for the 30 year pre-Josh Bills, where you could wear a bag over your head to the games and enjoy being the national punchline of poorly run organizations. You should consider a support group.
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10 minutes ago, mrags said:
Yeah and they’ve lost in every game that matters in the playoffs too. I’ll defer to it trusting McD and his process. As they used to say…Show me the baby
Don’t give up, they’re right there. They could’ve won last year with a few more plays and without a decimated defense. They absolutely should’ve won the 13 seconds game. It’ll happen sooner than later.
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Just now, mrags said:
Yeah. That’s it.
we won’t make the playoffs this year. And yes, next year we’ll be in the market for another WR. Like we are EVERY SINGLE YEAR. For whatever reason we just can’t find one
Don’t you understand, Josh makes everyone better. Diggs just got broken down because targeting him overwhelmingly at the expense of winning football , didn’t work and he couldn’t promote himself anymore. You don’t have any idea how these receivers ( 2 good TEs, Shakir,who’s really good, Samuel, who’s produced with a rookie QB, and Coleman) along with a vertical threat available after the June cuts , will pan out With a run heavy offense featuring Cook, who’s a matchup nightmare out of the backfield, there’s more than enough. Give these guys the benefit of trust because they’ve won the 2nd most games in the league the last four years and 4 straight divisions.
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16 minutes ago, mrags said:
Dude. What does this have to do with my post? I never said anything about Coleman. I was talking about next year and having an extra 2nd and 4th after trading back multiple times this weekend.
I just read your post and you intimated we got a crappy pick because the team would be missing the playoffs after winning 4 straight divisions and picking 15. Then you sarcastically suggested packaging all the picks for next season to get back in the top of the draft for a receiver.
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4 hours ago, mrags said:
Well we just got a next years 4th. That’s actually good value. Get another 4th. Package those with your 2nd from Diggs. Along with your own 2nd. Your 1st. Get into the top 5 and get an actual good WR next year.
hell, at the rate we’re going this year we’ll be somewhere around 15 next draft so it won’t be that much of a move.
Why would you presume to know how any of these receivers after the top 3 will pan out. 3 out of 4 drafted in the 1st round never get a 2nd contract the last 10 years. At this rate? What would you have done draft expert picking 28 with no 3rd round pick? I think successful drafts have more to do with coaching and creating an offense that maximizes the talent on the roster. Coleman was the best receiver on an undefeated team scoring 11TDs and catching 50 balls in 12 games for 700 yds. 3 of those games he had a 3rd string QB who stunk.
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20 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:
No. Granted they can still try to do something before the season starts but this draft was a huge missed opportunity for a front office that ALWAYS talks itself into addressing offense some future year. Always. These guys have rules in their heads.
What were you expecting drafting at 28 with no 3rd round pick? Did you want them to give up their 2nd round and 4th round pick for Brian Thomas if teams were even taking calls in the 1st round for top receivers. Did you want Worthy instead of Coleman or Mitchell. I didn’t especially if I add a 3rd rounder. They addressed offensie the last 2 years even moving up for Kincaid. No one knows how receivers will fit in. 3 out 4 never make their 2 nd contract the last 10 years. The RB and Coleman will be good additions if they stress the run game like they did the last half of the season.
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2 minutes ago, Trogdor said:
He had two good games but then a bunch of stinkers as well. He even had the coveted 0 reception 0 target game. You should really look at the game logs.
Who Diggs or Coleman?
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2 hours ago, harmonkillebrew said:
Beane has a real tendency for a certain type of player.
Ray Davis is a Zack Moss clone
Coleman isn't too far off from Kelvin Benjamin and Devin Funchess.
None of those guys panned out.
Seems Beane consistently under values speed in skill players. I was hoping we'd come out of this draft faster and more explosive on O, but instead it's more of the usual.
Coleman would have been a decent replacement for Gabe. Similar skill set. Is Samuel supposed to be the Diggs replacement? Hard to see us being better on offense.
Or defense for that matter. They don't seem to have a vision or plan for getting better than the Chiefs. Feels like a reset year.
What a surprise, an elite talent evaluator fan, dismissing Coleman,the best receiver on an undefeated team. Only 50 catches for just under 700 yds and 11 TDs in 12 games. If you watched a few of his games you’d see plenty of separation and a monster on 50/50 balls. Diggs had 27 yds, a fumble and 3 catches on 8 targets in the biggest game of the year. He was crap the last 7 games of the season. The Texans converted his deal to a one year contract, because they see him as the malcontent diva on the other side of his career. Coleman is gamer on a rookie contract. Getting Diggs out was a positive. You referenced Moss as a comp for Davis. We never used Moss correctly because Motor was Sean’s favorite. He was great with Indy and Cinci thought enough of him to let Mixon go , making him the featured back. Beane’s selections have netted us the 2nd most wins in the NFL the last 4 years. 4 division titles and arguably the best QB in football. The defense has been in the top 5 until we got decimated by injuries last season. The Chiefs could’ve been beaten last year with one or two more plays. No Milano, no White, Miller still recovering after surgery, and Diggs giving us nothing equals not beating KC. Josh still put us in position to win. We’ll be better this season.
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16 hours ago, NewEra said:
So we should have stayed at 28 and drafted a player we could’ve had later, while not getting an extra 3rd rd pick….just so KC wouldn’t be able to give us a free 3rd rd pick in order to select a player that may have been there when they picked at 32? 🤷🏻♂️
worrying about other teams = fail
worrying about building your own team = yes please
do what’s best for your team. Worrying about what other teams are doing is for losers. Jmo
Who can disagree with that take?
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3 minutes ago, PayDaBill$ said:
What’s the percentage in round 2?😉
Don’t know the % but it’s one of the 2 lowest position groups in terms of players that stay on their original teams and the league.
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All the draft specialists on this board should understand 73% of the receivers drafted in the 1st round since 2014 washed out and never got a 2nd contract. No one knows who translates into a productive player. I do know Keon is a physically tough receiver that will dominate on 50/50 balls and reminds me of Keenan Allen.
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3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Im not negative, I really like Deebo and watching him play. I pushed back on the over exaggeration though of Deebo and the reference to him being a generational talent.
I don't share the same outlook that he is a perfect fit for us though. We need a boundary WR that can attack all 3 phases of the field, especially downfield. That is not Deebo. He is ok WR whose value is in YAC and short areas of the field where you get the ball in his hands and let him see what he can do. We already have 3 guys who specialize in that area and out of the slot in Shakir, Samuel, and Kincaid. And quite frankly, Shakir is quite good at YAC and has been referenced as being "Deebo lite" last year.
For as good as Deebo is as a football player, he isn't that special as an actual WR downfield. It is why him and Aiyuk compliment each other so well. He needs to be next to an Aiyuk not a Shakir or Samuel IMHO.
Who says we can’t design an offense that can use Deebo in the same way SF did? I don’t think Shakir would take away from the bubble screen and underneath pass game Deebo would be great at. We could always use a vertical receiver in the draft and there are an abundance of them. Shakir is a solid #2 and Curtis is versatile multi usage threat. Remember Deebo can also complement Cook in the run game.
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25 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Do you watch Deebo play? Because I do, and he is not the best WR on his own team, let alone better than Diggs has been. My wife is a die hard niners fan and we watch every game. Deebo is a nice player but he isn't a generational talent. And if you think any team would take Deebo over Marvin Harrison Jr, Malik Nabers, or Rome Odunze right now you are mistaken. Those guys are seen a generational talents whose ceilings vast exceed what Deebo is and at a fraction of the cost and younger age.
And there are a lot of WR's in the NFL that make the Bills better than Deebo would. And I like Deebo, hes a good player. But he is not a generational talent, nor is he HOF bound, which if someone who is a vet at 28 is being labeled a "generational talent" they better be on a HOF trajectory.
Deebo is excellent on YAC, but he isn't "great" at anything else. One of those "Jack of all trades, but master of none" type players. But come on...generational talent? Thats a Megatron, Moss, Julio, Hopkins, etc kind of player. If we are going to label guys like Deebo "generational talents" then they suddenly become not so rare.
Don’t compare Deebo with Diggs. When Diggs that Diva ingrate had a chance to get us to the SB, finally, he short armed a perfect ball and finished a forgettable 7 game stretch of being ordinary. How many SBs did Diggs get us to? The closest we got to beating KC, Gabe Davis had a great game not Diggs. Deebo was in 2 SBs and his best is yet to come.
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4 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Do you watch Deebo play? Because I do, and he is not the best WR on his own team, let alone better than Diggs has been. My wife is a die hard niners fan and we watch every game. Deebo is a nice player but he isn't a generational talent. And if you think any team would take Deebo over Marvin Harrison Jr, Malik Nabers, or Rome Odunze right now you are crazy. Those guys are seen a generational talents whose ceilings vast exceed what Deebo is and at a fraction of the cost.
And there are a lot of WR's in the NFL that make the Bills better than Deebo would. And I like Deebo, hes a good player. But he is not a generational talent, nor is he HOF bound (which if someone who is a vet at 28 and being labled a "generational talent" they better be on a HOF trajectory).
Deebo is excellent on YAC, but he isn't "great" at anything else. One of those "Jack of all trades, but master of none" type players. But come on...generational talent? Thats a Megatron, Moss, Julio, Hopkins, etc kind of player. If we are going to label guys like Deebo "generational talents" then they suddenly become not so rare.
We were out of the running for Harrison, Nabors or Odunze, picking at 28. Naturally you wouldn’t take Deebo over a 5 year rookie contract of a top ten talent but Deebo is 28 and has 4 or 5 years of top production. He amassed excellent #s with the noodle armed QB in SF. Can you imagine what he could do with Josh? Why do you think Houston converted Diggs to a one year deal.? He’s not the same guy anymore and especially without Josh. Deebo is a perfect fit for us. He’s a gamer and is coming into his prime years. Why so negative?
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9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Yes I can think of a dozen WR's before blinking an eye that make this team better Deebo does. Honestly, I can name 3 WR's in this draft that I would take without question over Deebo to make this team better.
Deebo is a nice player, dont get me wrong, I like Deebo and enjoy watching him play. But "generational talent"? Same WR who has broken 900 yards once? If I am being totally honest, he is maybe the 5th best player on his offense, at best 4th (depending on where you rank Kittle) behind Trent Williams, CMC, Aiyuk, and Kittle.
OK, you’re entitled to your opinion about receivers in the draft being a better option. 73% of 1st round receivers don’t get a 2nd contract from their original organization over a 10 year period since 2014. Deebo in 2023 in an injury diminished season had 900 yds receiving and 7 TDs. He had just under 300 yds rushing with 5 TDs and more yds as KR. You don’t rank him as a top 10 all purpose player, that’s unfortunate. In a year where we lose our #1 receiver, Deebo would make us better than the Bills of the last 3 years. The only problem is fitting him under the cap. We’re dealing with a Josh window, we have to be bold. The receivers left on the board might be productive in their rookie year, but Deebo will be a beast and you know it.
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6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Wow, that is quite the over exaggeration there. He is a nice weapon, especially after the catch. But he is not a great deep ball WR, he doesn't have the best hands, and Brandon Aiyuk is by far the better actual WR on that team. Deebo makes up for what he lacks as a pure WR in his YAC and his versatility as a runner.
He also has injury issues. But the issue is that we have Samuel, Shakir, and Kincaid who are all going to attack from the slot and the short to medium areas of the field. That is Deebo's sweet spot, so I don't know he is such a great fit for us. We need a true boundary WR who can attack all 3 phases of the field more than another short area attack weapon.
With a generational talent it’s on the OC to model an offense that features Deebo as a compliment to our double TE attack with Curtis Samuel being a slot/ boundary threat. I’m not saying we couldn’t use an additional vertical option, but with Shakir, who will be a solid #2 and Cook, who is a matchup nightmare for LBs and safeties. Can you offer a better offensive attack in the NFL spearheaded by the best double threat QB in football?
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2 hours ago, 947 said:
We already signed Deebo-lite in Samuel, this makes no sense. Aiyuk is the 49ers WR we should be interested in.
Deebo’s the biggest game changing weapon in football. He makes us markedly more dangerous and is the perfect complement to our receiving corp and RBs. Question is how does Beane fit him under the cap?
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To me it’s a no brainer. You start out with #28 and no 3rd round pick. Your board shows the 3 guys projected to be available at receiver are still available. You get offers to trade down a few spots for a 3rd and a 5th and still can get a quality receiver ( Mitchell, McConkey or Franklin) plus enough draft capital to trade for Ayuk. What’s the problem with that reasoning?
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Bills sign Chase Claypool, Smoot, Jones
in The Stadium Wall
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If Josh can resurrect Claypool’s career and make him a viable contributor than we might be better than the diminished receiving corps of the last few years.