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The Diggs deal is 16 mill a year he could make 22 mill if he hits all his incentives...so no, the Pats didn't get fleeced.
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3 minutes ago, FLFan said:
Being hyper sensitive to criticism is not the way to garner any respect around here. Just so you know.
It's sarcasm...I have been posting here for years. I am cool with enough fans on here so the others I could care less about
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10 minutes ago, JohnNord said:
It not the same injury so Rodgers is not a very good comparison at all.
But if you want to compare… the start of the season was some of Rodgers worst football and many attributed it to his torn ACL…I mean Achilles.
Third, post injury Rodgers never returned to the level he was at during 2022 - which was a diminished version of the QB he had been a few seasons before.
This is why many of us didn’t see the signing move the needle much for New England, unlike some who want to pretend Diggs is the player he was.
I look forward to your response which will surely include “….but I said he might not work out!”
You truly don't read my posts just assume.
I acknowledge I got the injury wrong when bring him up. I was talking about him returning to the field, recovery. That was the point I was trying to making. Wrong injury so I can't use him.
I didn't say anything else about Rodgers and I never said Diggs now make the Pats a contender...you don't read my post you just assume and go with it. Try reading what is said it will help out and stop assuming
And I am looking for this "list" of all the things I got wrong and all you did was bring up Rodgers injury. Ha ha do better
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12 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
He didn't even get the injury right.
Damn..look at me getting something incorrect
If I could only be like you two batting 1000.
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9 minutes ago, JohnNord said:
He don’t get a lot of things right
Word? Please enlightening me with this list of things I get wrong??
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15 minutes ago, JohnNord said:
Aaron Rodgers did successfully return from a torn ACL in 5 months during the 2023 season.Source: Ghost_002
Boy you seem really butt hurt about going back in forth with me, huh. I know your type so i just left you alone but since you want the attention.
i was wrong about what his injury was. I know you were waiting for that, so have your victory lap now, you won the internet for the day. (slow clap by me)
what i was referring to when talking about his "success" was his RETURN TO THE FIELD...He was able to come back and start the next season with his team..i was not talking about pro bowls, or playoff birth or great stats when referring to Aaron Rodgers return..
so you got your choc chip cookie what else you got that you trying so hard to hold over my head just because i dare have a different opinion than you?
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8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
He already knew it was going to be Rodgers at QB just like the rest of us knew. The Patriots just paid a 31 year old WR who was already on the decline even before tearing his ACL $26m guaranteed. That's crazy and you think they weren't willing to play a very good/elite 27 year old WR $30m per year?
I've got the Bills, Dolphins, Chiefs, Chargers, Broncos, Ravens, Bengals, Steelers, and Texans as clearly better than the Patriots no matter what happens in the draft.
Rodgers couldn't take the Jets to the playoffs with a good defense, Garrett Wilson and D. Adams...so now he is supposedly going to Pittsburgh and make them a contender??? Plus i don't think Rodgers has signed anywhere yet...
and I can break down the whole Pats situation to you.
The Pats come out and made a statement to justified why they didn't sign Metcalf the fans, and Boston media weren't buying it and gave them crap for it. When Diggs came and left, fans and Boston media continue to give them crap for letting Diggs walk. They have been given the Pats crap for not addressing the offense like they did the defense and calling them cheap....a week later you have the Diggs signing..
There you go.
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10 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
Metcalf apparently nixed the trade to the Pats because he knows they suck.
They're definitely a year away even with the coaching upgrades. Relying on rookies and average free agent signings to transform your dreadful offensive line (31st against the run, 32nd against the pass) last year is just too much work in one off-season. I do think they're more competitive this year though and my guess is they'll be a problem starting in the 2026 season because I think Drake Maye is going to be very good.
Metcalf didn't sign with the Pats because they weren't willing to pay him. He signed with Pittsburgh and they didn't have a QB at the time. If you trying to play for a contender and in a warm weather place as he said, then why would you sign with a team that didn't even have a QB and in Pittsburgh? Had the Pats paid him 30 mill, he would be in NE right now...hence the point i was making earlier that some of these athletes talk out their ass and if you just show them "the bag" they will definitely come.
And the Pats could possibly make the playoffs this year. Not one person not a commanders fan, expected them to be this good this fast, especially with a rookie QB no less. They went from being laughed at to a contender in just one year. As Herm Edwards would say "that's why you play the game.."
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6 minutes ago, JohnNord said:
Sure - and Aaron Rodgers recovered fully from an ACL in 5 months.*^^I can't handle a sports debate with other fans*
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6 minutes ago, JohnNord said:
This entire thread is you arguing with people why Diggs is healthy and why he’ll be a good signing for New England. You are literally using the “coaches know more than you do”
to justify your claim despite ignoring the many examples of players over 30 struggling to return to form after an ACL tear.
Of course, you couch your support by saying “it may not work out.” This is your way of having an out when anyone dares to criticize your take.
I also find you comment about “who cares about his stats, he was productive” to be humorous. By your definition a running back who averages 3 yards a carry but gains close to 1,000 is “productive.”
Oh boy! It's called a debate. You have a discussion with people who have different point of views..that's what having a debate is.
You have a problem with me cause I am not agreeing with you. From the get go i already said this was a risk...I don't need to go back to anything I already said...it's right there for you to comprehend or choose not to comprehend
It's not a me problem it's a you problem cause you are having the same discussion with other posters who don't shared the same point of view as well.
Wow
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8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Well it started where I said Diggs and DK situation isn't the same. You were saying their motivations were money...and I countered saying that the irony of Diggs is that his situation wasn't the same when he wanted out of Buffalo. He had several years left on a big extension, he already had the money. He left over fear of not winning a championship.
And if you read my other posts, the irony is now a year later, he clearly prioritized money as a FA now for either ego or realizing its his last pay day...because if he really wanted to chase a ring, he could have offered himself to a number of contenders that could use another WR for cheap. But based on what he signed for in NE, he clearly cared less about winning and more about this contract. Which is fine if he did, but its ironic because he could have stayed in Buffalo making more money and still be contending for a title (may have even won one this past year).
Maybe you just misunderstood my original post.
Maybe I did.. but my statement and point was.
Metcalf and Diggs both said one thing and did something else, which alot of athletes do all the time
You came with your post about how their situations were different, they weren't.
They both said they wanted to play for a contender and they both signed with teams who were willing to pay them more.
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5 minutes ago, Einstein said:
Godwin is what? almost 3 years younger than Diggs?
Pretty big difference.He is 2 years younger.
And Aaron Rodgers came back from his ACL. He claimed he was ready to come back the same season he was injured
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Just now, Alphadawg7 said:
I literally said most do prioritize money in the post you are replying to. I said its not accurate at all to say that none do.
Diggs didn't go from Buffalo to NE...you realize that rigth? He agreed to have the last 2 years of his highly paid contract VOIDED to go to Houston, meaning he was 1 and done deal in Houston and a certain FA at 31 years old where he probably wouldn't get the same money he got from Buffalo at 29.
So once again...his move on from Buffalo had ZERO to do with money. That is the point. And why did he do it...to chase a ring. So the IRONY now is a year later he chose money over a ring when he had BOTH Money and a chance at a ring in Buffalo.
What is so confusing for you about this?
I was not talking in absolute when talkin about athletes and their money. I was making a point to why he went with the pats..
Ok..maybe I'm confused with what you are saying..but show me where I have ever said digg went from the bills to the pats???
Please...please show me where I said he left Buffalo because of money, are you reading anything I said??
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Wait isn't Chris Godwin coming back from the same injury and just got resigned with the Bucs.
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4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
That was a huge surprise given the Bengals history of starting the season fast. I think seven wins is their ceiling because of them likely having to have two rookies starting on the o-line. On paper right now they have the worst o-line in the league. Plus, if they take Travis Hunter they'll be very thin on the o-line and if they draft a tackle they'll be really limited as far as passing weapons for Maye. Not good when your best WR on paper right now is a 31 year old coming off an ACL tear.
I am sure they know they have holes at the Oline..this is a way better coaching staff than last year. They do have the draft to address those Oline issues especially having the number 4 pick.
They can pick at No.4 or trade out the pick, pick up more picks and address the Oline holes.
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5 minutes ago, uticaclub said:
Not if he didn't think he was going to win one with this coaching staff and front office.
That's what I was thinking too, but I didn't want to bring it up.
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32 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
First off...meet Shakir, Allen, Bernard, and Rousseau...all 4 of them just this past month all took LESS money to stay with Buffalo than their market value. So yeah, thats not accurate at all, even if its more common guys go for the most money. To say no athlete takes less money is wrong...even GOATS like Jordan and Brady have taken less money than they were worth for the good of the teams ability to win.
But nothing you said here has anything to do with I said to you. I said DK and Diggs are not at all the same comparison. Diggs ALREADY had the money in Buffalo. In fact, he wound up with less money leaving Buffalo. His leaving Buffalo had 0% to do with "money" yet you are making it about money still with Diggs in terms of why he left here. The point is, Diggs was disgruntled in Buffalo NOT over money, but over his chances of winning a SB.
So the irony now is...Diggs had the last 2 years of his HIGHER paid contract voided to go to Houston, making him a one and done and a FA at 31 years old regardless of the injury. He wanted that deal because he felt Houston was a team on the rise and had a better chance to win a SB there before his career ended...even though it was still a 1 year deal only and there was a chance he wouldn't be brought back. But, still he believed he had a better chance there in 2024 than he was going to have in Buffalo in 2024.
Now...as a FA...he has signed on with a team that doesn't have a legit shot at winning even the division, let alone the SB, the next couple of years. A team that isn't even an expected playoff team, let alone a contender. And he did it for the money, which is ironic because he had a bigger contract in Buffalo had he just stayed here and still would be contending.
Yet Allen, Shakir, Rousseau and Bernard all just did.
Come on man..how long you watch sports...
Sure there are athletes that aren't all about the money but don't act like there aren't plenty that don't try to get as much as possible.
Or there aren't any who say one thing to the media and do something else.
Metcalf like Diggs said they wanted to play for a contender....both aren't on a contending team...they signed with teams that paid them more money...
I NEVER SAID Diggs left Buffalo because of the money. He left Buffalo because he was being a pain, I said that.
he signed with the pats because they paid him more than any other team was willing to pay him right now.
I also said of he cared about playing with a contender he would of cont. To "play nice" and stay in Buffalo
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1 hour ago, JohnNord said:
On pace for 1,000 yards… with a HIGH volume of catches that saw him fail to eclipse 100 yards. You can argue he was on pace to have less than 10 yards per reception.The only reason I responded to you was because you downplayed the ACL injury because “he worked out” for the team. Now you’re backtracking?
How am I down playing his injury?? I said this could work it or it couldn't?
I gave you two different athletes who have come back from that injury. To sit there and say "absolutely" Diggs is done or to act like he is , would be an incorrect statement given again what other athletes have done coming back. It's possible he can be fine and give the pats what they want from him.
It's the other side of the coin. Which there aways one..on top of the fact as I said, it's a risk and also couldn't work?
Who cares how exactly he was productive, he was productive
If you are a NFL franchise you want production, right? So he gave it to you, yes at 31 it is/was going to be diff from how he played in Buffalo and in Minnesota again something i said and acknowledged.
In the pats case, what they need him to do is far diff then what a team like the Bills would be looking for at this stage
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I can say...it's gonna finally be fun again to watch the Bills vs Pats win or lose
Allen v Maye
Diggs v your defense(hopefully)
Your offense v Pats Defense...
Get to watch it twice and I don't have to go back to working on that "honey to do list" again.
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1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Diggs and Metcalf are not at all the same thing. Diggs already had the money in Buffalo, he was on a big extension, he was never at any point underpaid here. Bills gave him 2 big deals. He had the usage here, 160 targets, way more than DK.
Diggs got disgruntled because he wanted to win a SB...not because he wanted more money. Everything he did here that caused the parting of him and the Bills was because he allegedly wanted to win so bad and had lost faith the Bills would get there before his career ended, especially with us heading in for a mini retool the offseason we traded him due to age and cap decisions.
Yet, it was true then, and its still true now...if Diggs really wanted to be in a place that gave him a legit chance to win a SB year after year, he had it all here in Buffalo...money, targets, and legit contention with unquestionably one of the top 2 QB's in the league.
So to see him NOW sign for money is fine...but make no mistake about it...he forced his way out of Buffalo over wanting a SB just to now sign on in NE for money over winning. I guarantee had his agent called SF, KC, Balt, Was, Phi, or a number of other more realistic contenders and offered to come cheap for a chance at a ring, at least one of those teams would have said yes. But instead, he decided he needed to get another big deal either for his ego or for his bank account...or probably both.
Diggs learned a lesson...the grass isn't always greener. And the irony is he would have made more money staying in Buffalo...and still be competing for SB's, hell if he had bought into to being here and Brady's system this season, we might have gotten there this year too.
He is an athlete. No money is never enough. Regardless. He left the bills cause that's what he does..wears out his welcome aka "a diva" wide receiver
If you honestly sit there and think most of these athletes won't take money over "I want to play for a SB contender" I got some land I would like to sell you.
These athletes and teams weight out all their options and go with the best one all the time.
If he truly cared about winning a SB he would of cont. To "play nice" in Buffalo, clearly that wasn't the case.
8 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:Both those guys were already generationally rich,
by the way I was practicing my sarcasm, lol,
No athlete is ever gonna refuse more $. And I know about the sarcasm...lol I just seen the statement made here a few times. Ha ha
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1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:
I don't
Bills
Chiefs
Texans
Ravens
Division winners^
Playoff contenders
Chargers
Denver
Miami
Bengals
Steelers
I don't think the Pats* are good enough to get past those teams. I expect teams like the Raiders and Jets to be better too. Does TN get Ward and finally win some games? If Trevor Lawrence has a similar resurgence that baker Mayfield did with Liam Cohn they could be in the mix too
I said flirt w a playoff birth.
And they beat the Bengals last year with that horrible roster they had, the defense should be better. Better coaching staff and a weaker schedule...plus there will be definitely some "any given sunday" win(s) somewhere on their schedule..
So it's possible.
1 hour ago, Gregg said:But 3-years at 69M. That's a lot of money for an aging diva WR coming off a serious injury whose best days are behind him.
Gotta look at the guarantee money. That's all that matters. He won't be seeing that whole contract.
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2 hours ago, Don Otreply said:
Ya’ll know he signed because he wants to play for a contender…,
Bwaahahahaha,
I keep seeing this...
Money talks.
Metcalf said the samething.. we shouldn't be surprised by this as fans...they have a small window to be rich, so why wouldn't they go where the money Is at. We would too.
1 minute ago, Gregg said:Still a very risky move by NE. Diggs is over 30 coming off a serious injury. As a WR how he cuts and plants his foot when running a route or trying to break a tackle. That will be a lot of wear and tear going through an NFL season.
Of course it's a risk, just as it would be for any team signing him..or when you guys had Von Miller, or picking up Aaron Rodgers. The pats have the money to burn, he doesn't work out then it gives them another year to get a wr and show other free agency's they can come to NE. I mean these type of player accusations happen all the time
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35 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:
There's no way he is fully recovered. Probably a physical to see if he's on track healing but not a full all systems go work out.
I don't know what the workout was...and either do you. I would expect an legit NFL franchise was not just do a "half ass" physical and workout and then say "OK, let's pay him"
That's dumb and how you lose a job. They did let him leave NE so he didn't sign right away and today for these athletes they can come back pretty quick from an ACL. See Aaron Rodgers and Tua
4 hours ago, Pete said:Not the WR for a young QB to develop. He will undermine Drake Maye
Do you realize he was in Houston last year and they loved him there?
He is a drama queen that's been documented. But hence the length of his contract and he is not there to "put them over the SB" hump.
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2 hours ago, JohnNord said:
Diggs also was on pace to have his lowest yards per reception of his career. The Bills also cleared Von Miller to play in Week 5 off an ACL. He was not the same player. Ditto for OBJ. This happens a lot with ACL injuries.
You do realize that many WR needy teams passed on Diggs in free agency for weeks, including New England who was unable to land Chris Godwin, right?
But keep acting like the Patriots signed Justin Jefferson
He couldn’t play like he did in his prime years in Houston. Pretty sure that doesn’t happen after an ACL at age 31As I already stated, this may not work out. Secondly anyone paying attention already knows even before the injury he wasn't what he was in Buffalo and Minnesota. I know the affects an ACL injury can have on an athlete, especially one now being 31. Again he was still on pace in Houston for 1000 yards before the injury...I'm pretty sure after "x" amount of years at an elite level you will decline unless your Brady.
3rd yes every year teams "kick" the tires or pass on a players, and? Russell Wilson for some reason is still getting jobs.
Plus for a team like tge Pats who has ish for a receiver room this is a bit of an upgrade. Injury or not
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Diggs' Drama
in The Stadium Wall
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He is not getting paid a bunch of money. That contract is full with a bunch of Incentives and as of right now. He can be cut at anytime for any knee related issues.