Dragoon
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He’s an amazing speaker but even he doesn’t have enough charisma to sell Joe Biden.
Oh, Obama...I never knew the lasting damage he’d do to the Democratic Party when he won. Of course the damage wasn’t his fault....the damage to the party was done with their inaccurate conclusions as to why Obama won. Obama KNEW he needed votes from white working class men. He got those votes...or enough of them. He got them by talking policy, and not social justice nonsense. After he won, the Dems made the wrong conclusions. ‘America is done with white rule! America wants to be gayer! America wants grown men using the same bathrooms as little girls! America wants socialism!’ Those were the lessons the Democrats learned from his victory, and man did they botch it. Barry would tell them too — he’d tell them not to be so divisive but they couldn’t help themselves. Barry, and I’ll get killed for this by my conservative colleagues....but Barry was a moderate publicly. That’s why he won.
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12 hours ago, WideNine said:
Ah... I think you are referencing Spain's recent extreme quarantine measures?
It does make one muse about how far a democratic government would go if we had something more virulent with a greater mortality rate than Covid-19.
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2 minutes ago, WideNine said:
Fine if Spain is not your cup of tea, then move to a cheap villa in Italy.
Where one decided to go if this nation decended to such a state was hardly the point as you well know.
The point was the absurd and delusional idea of the feasibility of armed conflict involving citizens against an autocratic US government backed by its military.
you miss my point. I was pointing out the irony in the destination due to your reason for going. It wasn’t a point, just a musing. -
1 hour ago, WideNine said:
Well yes and no...
I still do not believe a so-called "well-armed" populace is a major deterent because the gap in arms capability is just too large.
Now folks could try to close that capability gap, then the rational becomes even more ridiculous...so you allow your average Joe or paramilitary to buy tanks and RPGs so our well-armed citizens are closer to being more capably-armed deterrents to an autocratic regime?
...the impractical and dangerous absurdity of that train of logic becomes clear.
I do believe that the rank and file members of the US military as well as their leadership would refuse to be used in such a way against their own countrymen.
So in truth it is the conscience and the sworn duty of our nation's military to protect this nation's citizens, combined with peaceful means of enacting government change which are the real deterrents.
No need to arm folks with quasi- military assault weapons.
You made me laugh a couple posts back when you talked about militaries not being used against their own people and then you mentioned moving to Spain....a place where that literally happened not too long ago.
I support the 2nd amendment. As an Iraq veteran I assure you, small arms and homemade explosives can be hell to the military. Trust me.
32 minutes ago, SoTier said:But the US military would unleash itself against a cadre of heavily armed domestic terrorists bent on starting a civil war by kidnapping and murdering government officials if it came to that. Just as the FBI and the DHS did recently in Michigan. The idea that these private militias represent "the people" is bull manure. They don't. They never have. They represent some people who think like they do, but mostly they represent their own skewed worldview.
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16 minutes ago, WideNine said:
We can both agree there and thank God that for now we have men and women of high character and sensible leadership over our military who would condemn that kind of overreach by a sitting President.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/07/us/politics/trump-military-troops-protests.html
Also by that rational, you eliminate the argument for citizens arming themselves with assault weapons as a last line of defense against a government gone bad.
Since, as you say, our military would never back such a government.
That leads us back to peaceful forms of protests and insurrection and voting as the rational tools of resistance to bad government.
1. I stated the military could never be unleashed on the American people because of the rank and file, not the brass. I used to be a non commissioned officer in the Army — if I was ever told to do anything overbearing to US citizens I’d refuse and I know the enlisted soldier. The enlisted soldier would never.
2. I do not concede I eliminated the need for a well armed populace. The fact a well armed populace exists has been critical in keeping our government from becoming too authoritarian.
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4 hours ago, WideNine said:
That may have been the case when folks carried muskets. Now it is a delusional take of folks that watched too many action movies.
If it ever comes down to armed citizens vs the US government and its military, folks would be better off leaving the country. I hear the coast of Spain is nice.
At that point we could all say the great experiment of democracy called the USA had failed as we would not be able to stand in the way of an autocratic regime thus armed.
Which is exactly why the military and its leadership pushes back against a President who is far too quick to dust off a Sedition Act penned in 1798.
Or, good luck folks hunkering down in your bathroom with your ARs and body armor, while a remote controlled reaper drone flying at 25,000 feet surgically vaporizes you with a hellfire missile, or turns you into human confetti releasing a bunch of spinning blades.
Our military has become very efficient prosecuting anti-terrorism and asymmetrical warfare.
Bro, the US military would NEVER unleash itself on the American people.-
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25 minutes ago, Gary M said:
Where have I whined?
Ive been noticing this tactic lately by the left. They’ll call you a snowflake or whiner when you’ve done neither. It’s just taunting. They try to instigate people they’re arguing with to break the forum code of conduct with an infractionless insult like ‘snowflake,’ and they’re baiting you to send enough venom back so they can get a moderator to silence you. Think nothing of the comment.-
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9 hours ago, WideNine said:
Well I do believe there is often a common thread between most paramilitary organizations and some paranoid belief system even if they consider themselves far removed from the New Black Panthers, Neo-Nazi, or just Boogaloo anarchist looking to burn it all down.
Many I have spoken with there were a few even at my workplace tend to live in their social media fed QAnon conspiracy world and I think they fantasized about donning their Spectra body armor and assault weapons and saving the day.
Misguided would be my label, rather than racist.
I've spent time on ranges and have fired just about every kind of gun out there save a few, and I own guns for hunting, but I have never found the pressing need to own assault weapons and body armor. Or to drive to a protest and bring guns into the mix.
When I lived near the Dakotas I knew a few ranchers that had ARs, but they legit used them for taking out gophers and coyotes.
Most quote their 2nd ammendment rights, but do not understand the the first thing about the landmark Supreme Court Heller case and have never bothered to read the majority opinion written by Scalia and his views regarding common sense gun control laws, or that paramilitary groups are not actually what was meant by a well-regulated militia.
An armed citizenry is the final check to the governments power. An armed citizenry is essential to the defense of the nation.
I live in the burbs. While I’m not necessarily a “boogaloo boy,” I have the setup. Ammo, weapons, rations. I’m not very likely to try to take down the government, but what I got all that stuff for is an armed neighborhood watch. Should a crisis render the authorities unable to respond because they’re resources are strained and can’t keep up...that’s more of what I envision than an overthrowing of the government.
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10 hours ago, Plano said:
fine, we'll call them cletus' then, better!?
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5 hours ago, colin said:
he's big and talented, if that price was a 3rd, i'd do it in a new york minute. frankly, i am tempted for a 2nd
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1 minute ago, WideNine said:
Props - you got me. Yep, folks are pretty amped up here.
Now I am not going to go to my local chapter of para-military white supremacist and go intimidate would be Biden voters, but if it is heckling the "Make America Hate Again" folks in a public forum - sign me up.
Quick question....”para-military white supremacist.” Be careful there. I am no racist. It would be unfair for people to call me as such. However, I own all the guns liberals hate, I’ve got a Kevlar and all the body armor. I’ve no issue with taking my rifle to a protest. I think it’s unfair that every time white dudes with guns are upset they’re labeled “white supremacists”. Not fair is it? -
6 minutes ago, WideNine said:
Your trolling me dude
I guess if dodging drafts and taxes, while fending off lawsuits for rape and hush-money payments qualifies someone as a hero... the bar has sunk well below swamp level.
Yes, that was a trolling. But also a gesture of my benevolence. See, I’m just tryna give you TDS people the outrage you’re all seeking and want.
Trump is a higher authority than the constitution and the almighty himself!
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16 minutes ago, WideNine said:
Because that's what we need, another 4 years of unhinged antics from a President more concerned with his Twitter following and escaping convictions for felonies and cooking the books than actually doing his job. And who can forget his amazing leadership display filling the revolving-door voids in his cabinet of would-be swamp creatures.
Have we not seen a regular cycle of gushing about his next newest potential sycophant as he pisses on the last person he gushed about. All those former staffers who end up exiting after finding that Trump is an intractable, incompetent, orange boob who expects superhuman efforts from his staff members to cover for all his stupidity. "Oh crap, he just told people to bleach their insides.... how the heck do we spin that to make him sound less like the complete moron his actually is?"
Trump should bless God that he is supported by such clueless masses that do not realize that the one person Trump should fire for being incompetent is himself.
President Trump is a hero. I’m confident that in 50 years he’ll be remembered as fondly as Teddy.-
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Now ya see, even he was doing better in Trump’s America. The shot on the left is Obama’s America, and on the right is Trump’s. Hopefully Hunters cell mate likes nice teeth.
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Trump is gonna be a dog off the chain after his 2nd presidential victory. God bless Donald Trump.
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On 10/18/2020 at 8:25 AM, SectionC3 said:
This is the stuff of banana republic dictators. It's what happens when we accommodate extremism. It has to end. There is no space for the unjustified incarceration of a political rival in any corner of this democracy. There is no space for the leader of this country to suggest such incarceration. And there should be no space for anyone to support that behavior, be it overtly, covertly, directly, or indirectly.
This will be my last post here for awhile. It's come to my attention that my bluntness and honesty has hurt the feelings of some very tender Trump supporters here, and in doing so I may have hurt this website. I couldn't care less about the former issue; it's ironic and pathetic that a bunch of people who support misogyny, xenophobia, dog-whistle racism, and the unjustified incarceration of political opponents, and who lack the empathy to wear a mask to protect their neighbors during a pandemic, have complained about and are so damaged by the expression of truth.
The latter issue, however, matters. I don't want to hurt this business, and I don't want to imperil this website. I've also wasted too much time here, amusing as it may be.
So, I'll stand back and stand by for awhile. Hoax. I'm not a scumbag who supports the Proud Boys. But I will go away for awhile. That's the truth. Best of luck, and choose wisely in October/November. The fate of our democracy depends on it.
Go Bills. I will see you all in happier times.
Nobody respects you enough for you to be the source of hurt feelings. -
Joe Biden plans to end Trumps quid-pro-quo band. Joe doesn’t have a lot of time left on earth and he’s gonna milk it for every nickel he can.
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He'll probably keep Trump's policy on Covid.
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49 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:
Which stats do you like? You've already stated you don't have the time to dissect the "ingredients". Which stats do you trust?
I like the stats that I compute.
I like transparent stats where they explain what went into them.
It's really simple. Not hard.
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1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:
What do you base your opinions on if you don't trust any information which is inconvenient to your world view due to potential for bias?
That's a real passive-aggressive way of asking a question. So lets not let your attempt to be a jerk go unnoticed.
I don't mind stats. I like them. However, it's important to know the ingredients of the stats. I find, often, that political stats are politically motivated.
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Just now, Miyagi-Do Karate said:
Our only hope: Andre Roberts.
I wanna party with you! Yes! Andre Robert’s or Lee Smith FTW!!! -
Just now, Freddie's Dead said:
GREAT play by Zimmer. GREAT STOP to maybe keep us in it.
Ive noticed him several times. More than I have Harrison all season.-
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1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:
Bills D is mad at least. I think they are just looking to lay CHe our.
Yo, how much trouble is Robbie in for kicking Miguel down a couple flights of stairs? Mr Miyagi would be sooooo pissed. -
43 minutes ago, Buftex said:
Looney Tunes has spoken!
Guys like Sam Adams were mocked by lesser and callow men. So, thanks.-
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America was friendly with Hitler
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I hate Joe. Joe is an idiot. But it could be argued that America was friendly with Hitler for a while.