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  1. Since the NFL has decided to promote  political agendas outside of being a US citizen and chose to promote groups hostile to my family than I have decided to renounce my fanhood in the NFL.

     

    I hope many of you decide to join me and if you continue to watch just because you need a way to escape do not have any financial contributions to watching games and watch game solely in sports bars so that the NFL cannot directly contribute to the ratings.

     

    Laughably I am a “Minority” and the reason why it’s laughable is that one’s voice should be based on the truth of the statement and not on the basis of skin color.

     

    As a Native American I do not find the Buffalo Bills name offensive and while our history may have had moments of embarrassment we are stronger when we look for the truth of why our country is as great as it is and why people of all races and creeds wish to come here.

     

    I support black lives, rights and families but anything in support of the Black Lives Matter movement is an insult to families, black or whatever race, who built this game and passed it on to their children with their mission statement to abolish the nuclear family and support for Marxist ideology. 

     

    If you think that you can escape the consequences of believing that everything is to be criticized and nothing loved and than trust me eventually everything will be persecuted including you.

     

    The powers of the league and society in general know that they can abuse after you because you are the hard-working and you are the people most responsible for your own personal actions and love your downtime so they think that they can bully you to accept getting kicked.

     

    Whether you plan on watching this year or not let the NFL know how displeased you are. This is how they get to bully you. They use the threats of complaining which as responsible adults we see as childish and adolescent but we forget these people hate us and they hate our families and don’t ever underestimate wicked people.

     

    The cheap insults I expect from petty people  shouldn’t bother you. They just know that you are a good person they can use insults whereas you find them to be morally reprehensible.

     

    Never let weak bullies corner you. Fight back now. It is our Independence. God bless America

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  2. 12 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

     

    So just to be clear - you're cool with Tyreek Hill in the NFL, the NFL covering up a major concussion problem for years, etc. But the straw that broke your back was the national anthem? Yeah, that is your right. That doesn't make it smart or moral. But you can do what you want. Boycotts in general are really dumb in my opinion. There are 1000 reasons to boycott any major company in America if you look closely. Choosing one that happens to offend you doesn't give you the high ground. If someone wanted to boycott the NFL because they allow someone that punched a pregnant woman in the stomach to play, I would respect that. Your reasoning is paper thin.

     

    Go study the Post Hoc fallacy; this is the quintessential version of it.

     

    The actions of individuals are not the same thing as league policy as a political statement over our country to give us our freedoms.

     

    What an individual does is not a reflection of the whole, but if the whole makes a decision that some individuals don't do you can make a summary decision. His reasoning is very sound.

  3. 1 hour ago, Spielman said:

    The NFL has lost me as a fan.  To disrespect the flag means you hate this country.  If you don’t like it, Americans are free to leave and see if some other country will pay you millions to run around in tights on a 100 yard piece of grass.  

    I will support and enjoy my country to the fullest with other hobbies than wasting time watching foosball. 
     

    and that is MY right . 

     

     

    Good for you. I'm holding out to see if the Bills take a knee. If they do I'm gone too. I'm glad you wrote what you did.

  4. 4 hours ago, Dopey said:

    To your last paragraph,  "defeat or humiliate the opponent",  the fact that you see kneeling this way says enough to me. I hope the Bills kneel. You will not be missed.

    Can I buy your tickets from you. I'll kneel in the stands with them.

     

    It should say enough to you, it's a power grab by a hostile power forcing subjugation and the power of the mob against unsuspecting people. 

     

    Wear a OAN shirt apologize or be fired, kneel before the flag and say how much you hate the police you're a hero.

     

    And as far as buying tickets go steal them, it's how you take power.

  5. Well BRAVO, only players are stupid enough to alienate their revenue source. As they commit financial suicide and then strike when the salary cap can't be raised let's see them kneel more.

     

    The biggest reason why owners around the league stopped this is because the stadiums were rapidly emptying and ratings went down.

     

    As an employee you cannot dictate the terms of employment except for immoral or unethical clauses.

     

    If the Bills kneel as a sign of protest I won't be watching this year. As Martin Luther King astute observed that peaceful protesting "does not seek to defeat or humiliate the opponent, but to win his friendship and understanding."

     

     

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  6. On 6/8/2020 at 11:59 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

     

    First off, public figures get death threats regularly, sad to say.  Cody Ford tweeted about a death threat he received after the Houston game.  So I doubt it's a reason why Brees stepped back his comment; most wealthy people employ a Threat Assessment service to deal with that stuff.

     

    Massive difference between “a” death threat, and a cacophony of howling people seeking to destroy you. Brees had that, Ford had “a” death threat.

     

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    But man....people on the other side (what other side is that? people who protest watching a man die with a cop kneeling on his beck?) PROVEN to be more violent, more threatening etc?

     

    The side against rioting. The side against making this a political movement (which it is), the people who see that people aren’t protesting anything as the cops are in jail. Let’s be honest, the protests are for a change in POWER, that’s the side I’m not on.

     

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    What do you think the social media feed of the publically identified BLM protest leaders look like?  What do you think Kaepernick's social media looked like?  Do you think these guys don't get death threats, on a regular basis?

    Of course they do, but the difference is the amount and intensity and the proof of insanity. A death threat with no other proof of violence isn’t much of a threat, but when you see people beaten and murdered then it’s a bit more serious.

     

    Let’s go through your first link:
    https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases/adl-report-white-supremacist-murders-more-than-doubled-in-2017
    “White supremacists were directly responsible for 18 of the total 34 extremist-related murders in 2017”

     

    Ok 18 deaths in the US in a year is individually tragic and collectively insignificant. Let’s be serious, 18 deaths is a terrible day in Chicago:
    https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/6/8/21281998/chicago-violence-murder-history-homicide-police-crime
    Over 3 days 25 deaths.

     

    You want real statistics?
    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/05/the_dishonest_politics_of_interracial_violence.html

    Blacks are 1200% more likely to kill whites and that amounts to roughly 500 people a year. Proportionately that would be over 2,000 deaths a year if the populations were equal. Imagine if the stats were inverted? You'd see protests, and rightfully so.

     

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    "Hang Fauci.  Hang Gates"

     

    Ok fine, but how many "Kill the white people" tweets, and videos could you find in under 10 minutes? A lot more then Hang Fauci and Gates.

     

    See this is real vs pseudo-bravado. This Dallas gunman wanted to "Kill White People":
    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-36749223/dallas-gunman-wanted-to-kill-white-people

     

    And he did. Conversely a KKK leader just flowed into a crowd at a BLM protest recently:
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/08/klan-leader-charged-harry-rogers-virginia

     

    But before you think 1 = 1 no...

    Fresno guy went out to kill white people

    The snipers killing the cops were out to kill white people

    The videos of these riots were out to "kill white people" since this started and beating them are numerous.

     

    But I'll make this more easy for you. A black guy was punched by a white guy at a Trump rally. It went "viral". When blacks beat Trump supporters, ripped them out of cars, ripped hats off people and there are videos not a peep. Even more pathetic a black Trump supporter was sucker punched by a white guy and that didn't go "viral".

     

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    PROVEN.....I don't think that word "PROVEN" means what you think it means....

    But if you supply the PROOF I give you my word I will walk this back.  [Only identifiable media who take accountability and will disclose how they vet their sources though.  I will not walk back for something that can not be verified to not be a Foreign Bot site.]

     

    There is no Ferguson like event for Japanese, Chinese, Native American, Mexican, (name your race here) where they burn down neighborhoods after police brutality and all of them suffer from it. How much more proof do you need? Show me the Korean neighborhood burn-fest.

     

    When the cops killed Justine Damond, Hugo Reyes, Nick Christie, Jeremy Mardis or Tony Timpa. Timpa died the same way George Floyd died and all on camera. No riots. 

     

    The difference is no one else is asking the world to kneel before them in a power grab:

     

    Should they protest? Yes, look at Miriam Carey who was savagely killed for no reason. They should protest and honor her, Floyd, and any other person who was abused and killed. Blacks are killed by cops but in 2020 if you think cops desire to kill black people out of a racist jihad it's silly with no evidence.

     

    Cops are just overly violent, many times because they watch videos of them getting shot, and where a cop is 1850% more likely to be shot by a black guy than vice versa. That data comes from the FBI.

     

    Read this and it's full of citations from vetted sources:
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myths-of-black-lives-matter-1455235686

     

    Kinda kills the narrative doesn't it? The WSJ post behind a paywall is pretty clear... this is a myth and power grab.

  7. 13 minutes ago, Logic said:


    Thank you for this quote. Along with a comment your previously made this week about how racism and white privilege aren't real things...


    Your mind is clearly completely closed. Your obvious anger at people wanting justice for black Americans shows me exactly where you stand. You've made it abundantly clear.

    If you think this movement's aim is to "destroy free speech and jobs" and you don't think racism is real, I don't know what else to say. The only other thing I can think of is this: You're part of the problem.

     

    I have the same opinion as these guys, who coincidentally are black and I've never said racism wasn't real, that's bad "Logic":

     

    Mackie says it best. Go to 2:45 minutes

     

    Maybe Denzel's mind is closed:

     

    Morgan Freeman go to 1:05

     

    Here's a collage of more closed minded people:

     

    Maybe Bob Woodson, who's done more for Black America than anyone on here should open his mind:

     

    Everyone should admit racism exists, what we shouldn't do is make this a bully propaganda and be political. The protests make no sense, the guy is in custody to be judged. This is done to take power and if you are too closed minded to see that side you're right, you don't want a conversation. Mackie says exactly how you think better than I could.

  8. 11 hours ago, Logic said:

     

     

    Oh fun, another person selectively posting videos of a town they don’t live in or know anything about.

     

    If you actually read my post earlier, you saw where I pointed out that the last seven nights of protests have been predominately peaceful....

     

    Below is a link to a database that has been created for activists to upload instances of police brutality from the past week. Feel free to educate yourself before spitting more nonsense.

     

    Yes of course they will only show the WHOLE picture. They would never refuse to show what caused it. (/Sarcasm off)

     

    This is a parody like asking a 4 yr old why he did something and they just blame it on the 2 yr old and it's never the 4 yr olds fault.

     

    Predominantly peaceful is double-speak. If any other group wasn't so protected by the media they would be screaming it was a terrorist organization with so many fires, destroyed businesses, and police injured and people hurt and killed.

     

    Make this same group the KKK and let's see how peaceful the media would see them.

     

    Oh wait, we don't have to go even that far, just protest the quarantine and people were arrested for merely asking other people on Facebook to join them. The media was portraying them as extremists.

     

    But here's the strangest thing: they didn't burn anything, hurt people, destroy the neighborhood BUT they were the extremists full time in the media. Now it's all peaceful with real violence.

     

    This is a political movement whose aim is to change America with destroying free speech, jobs, and threats. Then if you disagree you want them to shut up. Tell that to the journalists who lost jobs, teachers, and athletes who just questioned if this was all above board. Why? The mob questioned them as racists and forced their employers to bend to their will.

     

    Then show me all the people who lost jobs, forced to apologize, and left to rot as social misfits for protesting the quarantine. Strange huh?

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  9. 2 hours ago, Logic said:

    A few markings painted on walls? Definitive prove! Forget the FBI investigation, we've got a few paintings here!

     

    And if it was white supremists you'd ask to have them arrested.

     

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    You'll have to forgive me for being overly emotional. I've spent the past 7 days watching the Portland Police Department -- which has a long history of racism and brutality -- firing tear gas at peacefully assembled citizens -- including children -- during a pandemic that affects the lungs, shoot rubber bullets directly at protestors, fire pepper bullets at pregnant women, and unlawfully attack and arrest members of the press.

     

    All I see is "peaceful" protesters:

     

    More "peace":

     

    Pure love:

     

    If you want to be accepted as "peaceful" which is now a 1984 double-speak term make sure there is no violence. I want you to protest, but when that group is using violence and saying it's "peaceful" let it be known that's not true.

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  10. Here's one of the reasons why Brees stepped back his comments... they threatened his family and his life:
    https://sports.yahoo.com/brees-received-death-threats-over-flag-comments-210850887--nfl.html

     

    Sorry this is where all of this discussion board stuff doesn't factor in when you make it a "free speech" issue. It's not that simple, that's merely in the abstract. People on the other side have proven to be more violent, more threatening, and no matter how peaceful some people have been they certainly aren't en masse denouncing the violence, murder, and destruction of lives in their wake.

     

    Notice how the media isn't 24/7 showing the death of the cop, David Dorn, who was shot, 27 years of service to this country, dying on the street and he's black. Nor do they show the innocent people maimed and injured. It's political and not about George Floyd, he's just their lightning rod.

     

    All people, including myself, would be perfectly fine supporting a Black Lives Matter protest against police brutality, and to a large extent they hurt their own cause to many people like myself when it's purely political. They don't care about Black Lives as much as they crave power.

     

    When Black Lives Matter stand up for:
    Dave Patrick Underwood
    David Dorn

    et. al.

     

    And the other black lives destroyed in their wake, businesses destroyed.  Does the mob or media care? No, they can't blame the police and protest for no reason as the cop is arrested. Instead we must see this for what it is, it's a political attack on free speech and taking of power.

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  11. 36 minutes ago, Logic said:

    Keep happily supporting the system that perpetuates police brutality and the use of military force against black citizens and peacefully assembled protestors. I and others, meanwhile, would prefer to at least entertain alternative ideas.

     

    Why just black citizens? It's demonstrably true white people are shot and killed unarmed at a higher rate adjusted by homicide rates.

     

    "Peter Moskos, an assistant professor at New York City University’s John Jay College of Criminal Justice, has concluded that during the period ranging from May 2013 to April of 2015 roughly 49% of those killed by LEOs were white, while only 30% were black....

     

    "PolitiFact points out, however, that blacks only make up 12% of the population. By breaking down racial populations it would appear black men are at a 3.5 times greater risk of being killed by police. But that doesn’t include a breakdown of violent crime stats.

    “Adjusted for the homicide rate, whites are 1.7 times more likely than blacks die at the hands of police,” Moskos said. “Adjusted for the racial disparity at which police are feloniously killed, whites are 1.3 times more likely than blacks to die at the hands of police.”

     

    Maybe the problem isn't a white or black issue, but an over-militization of the police force and brutality on it's citizens.

  12. 55 minutes ago, thunderingsquid said:

    Too little too late.  

     

    And I will never forget the comments on here when the Kaep to Buffalo rumors started to swirl, how a lot of us said "hell no, he disrespected the flag and troops!"

     

    There were a lot of other places he had better chances of landing but the hate on here was real.

     

    It wasn't everybody on here but the hate was wrong then and wrong now.

     

    Never ever forget that it was US who were wrong not to listen FIRST!

     

    He was as wrong now as he was then.

     

    If the argument is cops don't kill unarmed whites then look up some stats, they die at a higher rate. Some cops are just bullies and I've been shaken down once badly, and bullied many times for no reason.

     

    We should never listen to the mob, they are always wrong.

  13. 58 minutes ago, H2o said:

    At this point I'm starting to care less and less about sports, it's "stars", and everything involved behind it in general. Don't get me wrong, I love football. I have since I was a little kid throwing the ball in the air, running it down, and making diving catches by myself while pretending to be different players. I love the Bills and have for over 30 years now.

     

    You are correct, 100%, and it's hard not to see what you've said as anything but truthful if you see what's happening. I used to love sports so much more, but once it became a platform instead of what it is for most men, which is a place to relax and enjoy a game, then it losses its value.

     

    It's what sports represents now, it's now a place to be angry instead of uplifting. Ironically pro sports is losing it's appeal after decades of growth. Ratings and attendance is going down so it's not you or me, it's a growing sentiment.

     

    Shows I once liked do this too and they lose their flavor. It's like they know what we like (because of professional pollsters and focus groups) and once sucked in they turn it into a brainwashing cult of ideology.

     

    I'm down to 2 sports I still watch, I might be down to 1 if this continues.

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  14. 20 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

     

    Here is the thing...and why you are very much wrong in this post.  You are not wrong in what the anthem means to you.  You are not wrong in what you choose to do during the anthem.  But you are categorically wrong in feeling everyone one else should share your OPINION and personal experience of what the anthem should mean to them.  

     

    Its more than ok to believe in standing for the anthem, but I am willing to bet you don't stand for the anthem at home or at bars and only do at live games like 99% of the people who are upset at not standing during the anthem.  Again, nothing wrong with that either.  

     

    But, its also more than ok for someone to have a different experience of the anthem and the issues that still are present in our country for minority individuals.  Its more than ok for someone to feel change needs to happen, and see the anthem as a way peacefully express their voice for that change to social injustice.

     

    Not everyone thinks about the military when they hear the anthem, nor is that the purpose of the anthem.  Not everyone feels the anthem and its lyrics properly represent the modern country given there are still oppressive lyrics in the song that are hurtful to those of color.  Just like how people in the south enjoy the confederate flag as a symbol of their heritage because they grew up watching Dukes of Hazard or listening to country music where it was prevalent.  Doesn't change the fact that the confederate flag was actually the symbol of a political party that was fighting for the right to keep slaves and legally Lynch black folks.  And to the black community, the flag and symbols carry that darker connection.  

     

    What Drew Brees said wasn't terrible by any means, he was honest about what the anthem means to him and his deep connection to military from his own life experiences, and they were all fine reasons.  What he did that was terrible, was PROJECT that connection across everyone else and not feel others have the right to feel differently or express different emotions.  His biggest crime was two fold with the second being utterly terrible judgement and timing in sharing his personal take and belief everyone should honor it the way HE does during such an emotionally charged time.

     

    So...no disrespect, your personal views for yourself are more than ok.  But you projecting to demand others do the same as you would is where you are wrong.  There are no rules in life to how people experience things.  Everyone has different lenses shaped through lifes experiences.  And I bet you have never lost a family member or loved one because of the color of their skin...you were not harassed or arrested because of the color of skin...your people were not enslaved to build this country...your people were not divided in schools, restaurants and busses not that long ago.  So you cant ever have the same perspective as a black athlete will have with that very much in their family history and their day to day lives.  

     

    So rather than hate those whose life has given them to a lens to see something different than you, how about we all try empathy and try and understand why they feel this way and give them the American Right of Freedom of Speech and Expression to make their own decisions and express their voices in their own ways.  

     

    God bless.

     

    PS:  I feel like Brees words were not ill willed and his apology was sincere.  I do not have an issue with Brees even though I feel strongly that his original statement was a poor decision and lacked any kind of self or social awareness in how it would make him look and affect those around him.

     

    I feel like this is the picture perfect response to someone who disagrees with you while remaining neighborly and kind. While I hold some different views than yours (not all, but just a few) I certainly respect yours and I find posts like this refreshing, honest, and sincere. I hope I, and others, can learn from this level of thoughtfulness. God bless you

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  15. 21 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

    This has nothing to do with mind-reading and everything to do with stories from those who know Brees well. I’ve had this opinion of him for years and it’s documented on here. Brees the player and Brees the person are not the same. 


    And LOL at “Brees’ principles“ if you only knew...The dude is a total hypocrite. In my personal opinion the reason that he tried so hard on his apology tour yesterday was so that people wouldn’t start telling those stories of his principles. 

     

    A hypocrite we all are. No one lives perfectly to the principles they espouse.

     

    What is also deemed hypocrisy by one person doesn't make it so. The problem is the most people are a terrible judge. Most people are never trained in logic, but they sure think they are. They are the child who accuses his father of hypocrisy because they tell them to go to bed at 10pm and see their father go to bed at 1am.

     

    The logic challenged masses are not a judge of hypocrisy.

     

    Every man has principles, you do, you think you can call Brees a hypocrite, well tell me you aren't and show me your emails, texts, and a list of 3 of your enemies over the last few years of your life and I guarantee you I'll have a field day. "Wait," you'll say, " it's not fair because there is context to that and people who don't get along with me are bad judges of my character." BINGO

     

    Public figures aren't perfect, and they are ripe targets for illogical immature people to cite hypocrisy because they are wanting to put others down to feel morally superior.

     

    The reason for his apology tour was he knew he wouldn't have a team to go to, his sponsors would cut him out, and he would seen as a punching bag because of the hatred of what he said and the pressure put on him by his team to stop the angry mob. That's how some people see free speech: free for me but not for thee and if you dare I'll destroy you.

  16. 10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

     

    Drew Brees has done a lot of good things. I don’t believe Drew Brees is a good person. Those things aren’t the same. He’s charitable. He’s a phony. Those are both true. He just had a rare misstep in the public eye. He accidentally showed everyone who he is. He’s done that a few times (suing his mom, Focus on Family, anthem protest). This isn’t “out of character” for Brees; this is who he is. He usually just is better at protecting his image.

     

    I'm glad you're a mind-reader. Hate to play cards with you.

     

    A man isn't allowed to have his principles just because they don't agree with yours? That's such baloney and you hardly notice your own lack of intellectual dishonesty.

     

    Here's what a phony looks like: people who say they love to the community but never give to it, people who say they are for helping the poor but donate their salaries, people who say the government should be more proactive to help others but hire accountants to shield their income

     

    He's not saying one thing and doing another on the same topic, that would be a phony. You just don't know the difference yet.

     

    9 hours ago, SDS said:


    How’s this… If Drew Brees doesn’t want people to respond at what an asshat he is then he should phrase things differently or keep things to himself. He has a right to his opinion. When he shares his opinion because he wants other people to hear said opinion then other people have the right to respond.

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    I don't think he's against people responding, but they using morality to shame him. The same could be said of his response, fair enough, but he never told people to shut up and the media used as mob came to his defense to the point of shaming an apology. See the difference?

     

    The difference is Brees can say what he wants, people can respond, but when people use fake moral outrage (what he said had nothing to do with race) to shame people into a position he never said or endorsed is wicked and should be called out. Jenkins is an idiot. Jenkins used the masterful art of mind-reading to explain what Brees "really meant" and then told him to shut the F up.

     

    The media, instead of being fair, and social media which is always a group of hyenas should have showed Jenkins position as illogical about Brees's comments. Nope, Jenkins is right because of Brees bad timing and everything he said was logical and Brees is wrong because "feelings" maaaaan.

     

     

     

  17. 2 minutes ago, Billl said:

    Cool.  Just don’t ever criticize an owner for caring more about maximizing profit than winning...or for moving a team to a bigger city that will build him a stadium.

     

    Oh I will criticize them for doing so. Just because I disagree doesn't mean that they can't or won't. I have the right to stop watching too. No one is forcing me to watch football.

  18. 1 minute ago, Mango said:

     

    I didn’t mean that the owners themselves were racist (the odds say that some are though). I said they have a toxic work environment and do a bad job of representing their workforce. Which is true. 60%+ of their workforce is people of color. They continue to try and quite them down about speaking about racism. Although there are no official rules. Meanwhile, they’re trying to sweep actual racists under the rug. It’s a toxic work environment, that is only put up with because it’s the only game in town for a life changing amount of money. 

     

    I disagree. The job of the owner is to make the product viable. That's cold and calculating, but true. That product is football, not politics, and race is highly political. It's not merely objective, but subjective as well.

     

    The problem with race arguments, is that racism is a subjective label in many cases. It can be objective when someone openly opines about their feelings against another race simply for being that race, but George Floyd's death is a living case study on the subjective aspect to it. Where is the proof the officer did so because of race? I haven't seen any evidence but I'm open to see any and all evidence.

     

    Segregation, lack of voting rights, slavery, etc are all objective race criteria of racism. The problem is there is a subjectivity to what is considered racist that one person may see, the other disagrees, even if they are of the same race. Thomas Sowell and Cornel West differed on racism and both are black. That's why owners should tell the players to focus on the product and not the politics of it. I've never seen an owner of recent memory stop anyone from freely discussing objective racism, honoring black activists, but avoiding contentious discussions that become political.

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  19. 10 minutes ago, Billl said:

    Saying it's okay to fire people for making racist statements but not for opposing racism is a hot take in your world.  

     

    It has nothing to do with racism, but the hiring or firing of people who a team finds to be bad for your brand. That's the problem, you only see racism in this, not the principle. It's nauseating and short-sighted.

     

    My point is if the Bills fire Fromm for racism they can and will if they believe it damages their brand and if this is true rest assured he's fired. But if they won't hire Kaep for calling the owners slave masters with his shirt Kunta Kinte you WILL see an issue when it's one and the same thing if that text is real. In both cases a team can protect their brand and it's one and the same issue.

     

     

    10 minutes ago, Mango said:

    Or maybe the NFL is a relatively toxic organization when you think about their executive team (Owners, HC, GM, and league officials) and don’t actually do a good job of representing their work force. If I kept protesting racism at my employers, and they fired me but kept the racists. All the while telling people to be quieter about mentioning racism. Sure they’re within their rights, but that doesn’t make them right or just. 

     

    May I ask for proof of said racism by owners? If so I agree with you.

  20. Just now, Billl said:

    How is being consistently anti racism ironic?

     

    I guess you missed the point. Let me make it more clear. Kaep supporters protest his non-hiring for his actions to be wrong, that a business cannot hire or fire people as they see fit. Strangely they will rain fire on Fromm if this is real and want him fired, not for his play, but for his statements.

     

    In other words a business can fire people for what they see as a bad investment all of a sudden, but not in the case of Kaep. Yes ironic.

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  21. 6 hours ago, K-9 said:

    If that happens, I’ll be interested to see if all those who defend the rights of corporations to dictate employee behaviors as we’ve seen in the Kaepernick threads are the ones arguing that the Bills were wrong to cut Fromm for simply expressing his view. 

     

    I think you'll see far more people defending Kap's view say he should be fired in more delicious irony.

  22. 8 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:

    I'm saying that Drew Brees is absolutely entitled to express his views as are those who respond to those views.

     

    He should not get special treatment or cover because of what those views are or who he is. Bringing up ancestors who have fought in wars for American freedoms as a reason why others can't protest peacefully seems a little much to me. How many of the people protesting, simply asking for equal treatment from law enforcement, have family members who served or have served themselves. Brees is choosing to stand which is great but others deserve the right to choose as well. 

     

    My point is people that both you and Brees have the absolute right to express yourselves peacefully. I do not like how some people are only OK with free speech when they agree with what is said.

     

    Who said he deserves special treatment? He didn't others can't protest.

     

    This is the problem with this "conversation" is people say things other people said and turn it into dogma. He said why he won't and why others shouldn't. He didn't condemn anyone who did, he didn't say they should shut the F up like others have to him.

     

    My point is a conversation, if people genuinely want one, which as I've learned no one really does, is based around people being honest with their views. He gave his honestly, say why you disagree with him, no problem, but don't look to rip him about which is exactly why he needed to "apologize" to the mob because they threatened his sponsored for negative press.

     

    If you can't say what you believe is true without it causing harm to your family then it's not a free statement anymore is it?

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