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Isn't every Republican candidate for President Racist until they lose ? Bush was, pretty sure McCain and Romney were until they lost also. Now they're all useful idiots. Especially since none are or were in McCain's case supporters of Trump.

In fairness Tibs comparing the Proud Boys to Antifa is laughable, that may not be what you're doing but thats what was going on in the debate. As far as it being an "idea" I'm not sure I agree with that, the idea sure does seem to have quite the radical following either way.

This may be anecdotal but the Liberal I live with, last night let me know just about everything I need to know about this. She says she doesn't have the time to pay attention or bother herself with political things. So she knowingly is a know nothing on these subjects and yet after being at work for the day and a few visits to Facebook throughout the day was informed enough to dismiss anything regarding Antifa or BLM for the past few months. However during her very informative day she was ready to tell me how terrible the Proud Boys are and how disgusting Trump is for not condemning them as racists.Highly emotional liberals don't exactly think things through in my experience.

I'm not holding my breath but still no response lefties. Very fair points IDBillzfan makes.

Thanks RH, I have seen this before and I've listened to interviews with Gavin Mcinnes. I guess I was wondering if I was missing something. More than anything else what does Trump need to disavow that they believe in ? Maybe it just the fact that they're pushing back, that isn't allowed.

So, I don't agree with vigilante solutions. I'm not saying that is completely what the Proud Boy are but I am also not completely aware of the criticisms against them. It seems to me that they are one of the only legitimate (non strawman) arguments the left can use in relation to Antifa. KKK and other white supremacist groups are what or who ? I'm not aware of any Trump supporters or Republicans for that matter that support the Klan or any such groups or share their disgusting ridiculous beliefs. Do the Proud Boys support white supremacy? I'm asking because when I've looked into them for the most part all I can tell is they're a group of guys that are tired of what they're seeing going on in the streets of poorly run liberal cities. They seem to be a response if anything to Antifa. I dont think this is what anyone wants, probably the Proud Boys included. From what I can tell from them, it seems that they're not afraid and believe someone has to stand up to this nonsense. Again I'm not condoning Vigilantism and I'm not as informed on the Proud Boys as I would like to be. So as it relates to them specifically what is the supposed problems with them ? Any fair minded person can see what is wrong with Antifa !

Make it 14 B-Man ! I didn't trust the Orange Man first time around, didn't think he'd do things the way he's done them. Good for him and for us he has been there. Never thought I would say that 4 yrs ago, but I for one am glad to be wrong. I liked Cruz. No Republican would have withstood what he has dealt with. I have the same problems reasonable people have with him but am thankful he's our President currently.

Can anyone point out specifically when it was that businesses became responsible for the financial well being of their employees ? Yeah I know tax payer funds. Well say they've blown through the $ they received, are they then required to spend $ that may not be there to support them. To what END ? I'm asking as a person who has been employed with a company for the last 20 yrs w/o a college degree and was lucky enough to raise a family on that income. Only to find out that after this long layoff I will not be returning to my job. Seems like it would be very easy to complain about my situation. Sucks for me I guess, I was raised with the beliefs that I'm responsible for myself. Guess it's time to go back into a work force at 40 w/ no degree.