[NFL Draft - Day 1 (put your general pick commentary here)]

Just now, Lurker said:

 

teleprompter malfunction...

Maybe, but the dude even stumbled trying to pronounce Clelin Ferrell’s name. You’d think he’d be well versed in the pronunciation of potential first round pick names. He gets paid well to put some effort into things like that. He’s such a joke. 

[NFL Draft - Day 1 (put your general pick commentary here)]

Goodell is a terrible public speaker. He rarely makes sense. 

[NFL Draft - Day 1 (put your general pick commentary here)]

I’m already over the melodrama. I miss the drafts of years past. 

[Marshawn Lynch: Wall Worthy?]

50 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:

Clearly the OP is joking, being sarcastic, correct?

 

To put on the Bills wall the most inexplicably, unacceptably traded player in the history of the organization?  To remind the Bills faithful of how incompetent, even negligent, the franchise has been at times in the past?  A player that immediately then showed himself to not only be an all pro, but a  hall of famer, the day after he was cut loose.
 

(I remember after Lynch was traded of posting that it was the worst move I had ever seen the Bills make, and the backlash I got on the board when I said the Bills just cut loose their best player, and for almost nothing, and what may be the best back in the NFL.)

 

You don't put evidence of the worst move in the franchise history  (and one many on this board at the time felt was no big deal, a fine move) on your team's wall!

 

 

OP is clearly pulling our collective chains. We really need the draft to get here. 

[Who’s the ONE guy that you DON'T want in this draft?]

1 hour ago, Circlethewagon8404 said:

I like Hock and I do feel that he will be our selection, but I just don't want a TE in the first round at all.  In the history of the NFL, how many eliteTEs has there been?  For those that play fantasy football each year, think about the TEs that you draft.  If you didn't get Gronk or Kelce over the past couple of years, you had to settle for any other TE because they're aren't many TEs that actually produce.  Finding an elite TE that can do it all is extremely rare.  To me, using a first round pick on a TE is just a waste unless the reward is worth the risk.

Couldn’t agree with this more. Hock would be my least favorite potential pick. Keep in mind, neither Kelce nor Gronk were taken in the first round. TE is historically a huge high risk/low reward endeavor in the first round. 

[Whaley is an idiot.]

1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I'd put winning football games more on the coaching than the GM. The GM can only field the best on-paper roster as possible. It's the coach that needs to turn those ingredients into a real meal.

 

And we all know that Whaley never had a chance to hire his own coach, plus, he dealt with an incredible rate of turnover at all of the coaching positions. Which means major scheme changes every year.

 

We all know how poorly Rex did here. The sharp decline of the team was ALL on him. Yet some sit here and say Whaley was supposed to win those games? Makes no sense.

Rex was without question an unmitigated disaster in Buffalo. He was an alleged defensive guru who ruined that side of the ball. However, Whaley blew it with the Watkins trade, and not doing a better job of addressing the QB situation. There is no coach who was going to win with QB’s like Manuel/Orton/Taylor/Tuel etc. Only a dominant defense could overcome such poor QB play. Contrary to the belief of many, this team never had a truly dominant defense, even before Rex. The numbers looked good, but they were never really dominant. Beane has built his defense while adding decent pieces on the offensive side of the ball. He also went all in to find a potential franchise QB. That’s how it’s done, Whaley never had a clear vision. 

[LeSean McCoy on the trading block?]

9 hours ago, McBean said:

Should’ve been done 2 years ago.

 

I’ve wanted McCoy gone for a very long time.

 

If we can get anything out of him at this point, you send him packing.

 

9 hours ago, McBean said:

 

I agree, but I’m also somewhat happy it didn’t happen two years ago. We’d still have that pesky playoff drought nonsense looming over the franchise. A lot can be said for that streak being over. 

[Whaley is an idiot.]

2 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

plenty of Red Raider 'Air Raid' system QBs put up numbers in college and flopped in the NFL (Colt McCoy).

 

An earlier poster noted Reid tailored a system to Mahomes, and has the clout and background to get the most out of QBs.

 

Mahomes and Reid is a terrific match that maximizes both. It's wonder twin powers joined together.

 

I'm pretty happy with the Bills future despite this flub. KC was already loaded on offense for Alex Smith. Josh Allen is the right guy to grow with the Bills IMO.

Yep, I was completely uninterested in Mahomes coming into the draft. I thought he had bust written all over him. I’ll also admit to being completely wrong. No one should talk as if he were a sure thing. Keep in mind it was common knowledge that the 2018 QB class would be one of the strongest in years. Waiting a year to draft a franchise QB didn’t seem like a bad idea if you weren’t sold on Mahomes in 2017. 

[Whaley is an idiot.]

1 hour ago, LSHMEAB said:

You can't coach 50 TD's and left handed passes. The kid is a stud and would have been a stud anywhere. There's no reason to suspend belief in order to suit a narrative.

 

If Josh is the real deal, it won't matter.

Exactly, I’m more concerned with Josh Allen than any of this. If he continues to progress, we’ll have our guy. At that point none of this will matter. This topic only allows the inexplicable amount of Whaley fanboys to come out of the woodwork. I’m quite pleased with Beane so far, and totally over Whaley. 

[Can the Bills wait past the 3rd Rd for a RB ?]

12 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:

There is no Barkley in this draft. Wait till rds 4-5-6 if you have to. There is no urgent need for one, unless the geriatrics get hurt in training camp and that won’t be known next week.

I think you inadvertently summed up why we must draft a RB. It doesn’t need to be in an early round, but it must happen at some point. Everyone is worried about Shady and Gore’s ability to produce. They are both veterans who know how to run. I’m not concerned with a lack of production from those guys. I am concerned about injuries. Why should we believe that Shady will last the entire year? The guy has already struggled with injuries the past few years. When one of those guys goes down,  you can’t expect the other 30 -something back to pick up the load. We need a young guy who can do that. It’s really not a question if McCoy and/or Gore get hurt, but more of a question as to when. Plans should be made accordingly. 

[Gunner's 2019 Draft Quarterback Evaluations]

I’m so thankful we got our guy last year. This QB draft class is very weak imo. Kyler Murray is the ultimate boom or bust prospect. I think that he is either going to be very good or a total bust. I also think he’s the only guy in the draft with the potential of becoming an all pro QB, if he doesn’t become a bust. There are a lot of other top 5 QB prospects who look more like backups. 

[Jets full schedule leaked]

4 minutes ago, 4thandGoal said:

If Bills get no prime time games-- i would be okay with it. Until we are legit-- we look like crap on those nights

Not a terrible deal, but after the streak of road games to begin last season, I’d be less than pleased with two road games to start this season. 

[WR D. Thomas to the Cheats]

1 hour ago, ricko1112 said:

Not all receivers are willing to work as hard as they need to or are smart enough to succeed in NE.

I think if you were to look at the list of receivers who have had success in NE, but failed once they moved on, you would find it more impressive.

Some former Pats receivers have certainly failed when they have left NE,  but most washed up receivers they signed failed. Hard work and being smart have plenty to do with success, but guys do reach a point where they are simply done. The Pats have specialized in signing those type of players. Most of those guys were ineffective for the Pats. I expect the same from Thomas. 

[WR D. Thomas to the Cheats]

8 hours ago, Needle said:

DT is no longer an impact player. I don't even think the Pats system can save him. He has become Anquan Boldin of his final years.

 

Possession WR with no wheels or size. Strong blocker like Boldin and crafty in the red zone but mostly done. That was before the injury too.

Agree. People always talk about all the receivers whose careers have been revitalized by Brady and the Pats. That take is really quite the misnomer. How many receivers went to NE but didn’t revitalize their careers? Far more have had their careers end with NE. The success of Moss really made everyone think that NE has a secret formula to help veteran receivers. 

[I apologize to you all]

Just now, ExiledInIllinois said:

Huh?

 

The two biggest cities on Lakes were Buffalo and Chicago until 1960.  The rise of Toronto was in direct correlation to the demise of Buffalo.  And... You need a passport the last 15+ years to get there.

 

Toronto only 90 miles away... But totally foreign.

Interesting take, I’ve never heard Toronto blamed for the decline of Buffalo, and honestly I believe its extremely low on the list of reasons. 

[A look at the current roster]

29 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

 

It's true that we lack high end talent, but I think having a roster without more than 1 or 2 big holes actually makes a team very hard to beat. They don't have to overcompensate for weak areas and can more easily catch the other team off balance because they can do one thing or another with equal aplomb. This kinda goes hand in hand with my belief that playcalling is an underappreciated art. There's no better play than the one the other team isn't looking for.

Ultimately it all comes down to the draft. This team definitely lacks high end talent, and that is a problem. Successful playoff teams all have high end talent. There is no way I see anything more than a one and done playoff team (at best) based on the talent of this roster. That could all change with a successful draft, and the continued development of our draft picks from the past few years. Nothing is preventing guys who are already on the roster from developing into high end talents.  

 

Although we didn’t land big time talent, I really like everything we did in free agency this offseason. You hope to find quality role players and depth guys during the free agency period. We did a really good job of doing so. Typically, you don’t expect to land superstars. The majority of high end talent on NFL rosters are homegrown draft choices. High end talent is often available during free agency only in the case of diva players. 

 

I think this team is in pretty good shape. Josh Allen’s development still determines the future of this franchise. I’m most concerned about the lack of high end talent, and not sold on the trenches for either side of the ball. This offensive line still isn’t very good. We signed some nice depth guys, but I’m not sure they are ideal starters. Morse is the only consistently above average starter on that line. It’s an improvement over last season, but that’s not saying a whole lot. Let’s hope some good talent can be found in the draft to help with that. Things still feel quite good around here as we finally have a regime with a plan, and Allen looks very promising. That’s more than we’ve been able to say in years. Now we just need to shore up a few positions and find a way to develop some high end talent. 

[Tyree worked out for bills (Edit: SIGNED as UDFA)]

Nothing wrong with brining him in. He’s the type of prospect who I’d have concerns about even if he played in an elite conference. The fact that he played in the MAC concerns me further about his ability to develop. If I’m drafting a MAC QB, I want a guy who dominated the conference. Average MAC QB’s never succeed in the pros, and may even need to change position like Edelman. 

[DT, Quinnen Williams visiting the Bills]

Is it wrong that I’m afraid of him just because Bama defensive players don’t have great NFL track records? Then I remind myself there are plenty of successful Bama defensive guys in the NFL. I need to get over the scars of Dareus. I’m also completely sold on Oliver at this point which clouds my judgment. 

[Trade market for Rosen "soft"]

There is never going to be much of a trade market for a guy whose team is giving up on him in his second season. I know that’s not an original thought, but it does explain the entire Rosen situation. 

1 minute ago, Troll Toll said:

Well duh, it goes soft when you already bust.

I wouldn’t say he’s already a bust. We’ve seen greater turnarounds, but it’s quite concerning that his team is willing to give up so quickly. I realize they have a new coaching staff, but it doesn’t say much about him as a first round pick. 

[Fournette busted in Jax. INterested?]

7 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

Dumb manifests itself in many ways.  Many good people do a dumb thing in their life but they learn from it. To repeat dumb acts takes stupidity to a new level. His performance on the field has not been good enough to warrant putting up with his behavior.  I'd pass on him.

I was just about to post something quite similar. He’s not good enough to deal with the baggage when 3.9 ypg guys can be found in the draft. He’s JAG at this point. Unrealized potential is rarely uncovered when the player himself is throwing it away. It takes something special to bring motivation and focus to a guy who lacks both. I wouldn’t bet on that happening. 

[Hey Bill fans!]

1 hour ago, Ice bowl 67 said:

I don't think Lafluer will be able to turn the team around IMO. We shall see but it could be another Sub .500 season.

I agree with this assessment. I also think it’s part of the reason why so many hold a negative view of Rodgers. Everyone understands that football is a team game. We also live in an era that favors QB’s. In 2019 there are very few excuses for a QB of Rodgers caliber to post a record below .500. However fair or unfair it may be, the record of his team is a direct reflection on him. The struggles of that team with a generational talent under center is a big reason people believe behind the scenes drama is occurring. 

[Bills showing interest in Punter, Marquette King]

2 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Darr wasn't too good, but Schmidt was much worse last year.

I don’t know if I’d say that Schmidt was much worse. They were equally bad according to the stats. Schmidt had 16 punts for an average of 42.8, a net or 33.8, and 4 kicks inside the twenty. Darr punted 20 times for an average of 40.5, a net of 36.3, and 5 kicks inside the twenty. Darr left the worst impression on me because he was the only guy I saw in live action last season. In person his kicks looked like something you’d see at the high school level. Regardless, I’m sure we are definitely in agreement that the position needs to be upgraded. 

[Bills showing interest in Punter, Marquette King]

14 minutes ago, Augie said:

This doesn’t matter. Did you see the OL and WR crowd we added? I doubt we’ll punt all year.  ?

 

I’ll come handle it out of the stands.....as long as there’s no breathalyzer test. But I want travel and tix for road games!  

You couldn’t be any worse than Darr. I’ve never seen less distance and hang time out of a pro punter in my life. 

12 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

My only problem with Wishnowsky is he is already 27 years old. It's not a big deal, but it means something. I actually like Jack Fox a lot. He was really impressive in ten East-West game and he was probably the best player on his team. But you make a good point, with 10 draft picks it would make some sense to draft one this year. 

Personally, I wouldn’t stress much about the age of a punter. Punters have had long careers long before the days of other positions playing well into their 30’s. 

[Bills showing interest in Punter, Marquette King]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I am intrigued by the kid who got injured in camp. Bojo is a guy with a huge leg but not much else. They need to keep looking at the position.

Yeah, punting is just too much of an adventure with Bojo. It always felt like something bad was about to happen when Bojo was on the field. His big leg is definitely all he has going for him. Unfortunately, last season he was like a home run hitter who wasn’t hitting home runs. More often than not he drops the snap, shanks the punt, but rarely did we see a long punt that showcased his big leg. If he can’t do that, he doesn’t have anything going for him. 

[Bills showing interest in Punter, Marquette King]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

He absolutely is better than them both.

 

it all comes down to Benjamin’s... King probably wants to get paid

Good point, the real question will be how much he wants.  I’m thinking he might not have as much leverage as he’d prefer considering he was injured much of last season.