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    Coleman Route Speeds

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    23 minutes ago, Malazan said:

     

    yea, well use whatever fancy numbers you want! 40 yard dash time is clearly directly related to NFL success. I mean, here, look at the top 40 yard dash time in history:

     

    John Ross (2017) — 4.22 seconds
    Henry Ruggs III (2020) — 4.27
    Marquise Goodwin (2013) — 4.27
    Tyquan Thornton (2022) — 4.28
    J.J. Nelson (2015) — 4.28
    Jacoby Ford (2010) — 4.28
    Darrius Heyward-Bey (2009) — 4.30
    Velus Jones Jr. (2022) — 4.31
    Parris Campbell (2019) — 4.31
    Andy Isabella (2019) — 4.31
    Curtis Samuel (2017) — 4.31
    Calvin Austin III (2022) — 4.32
    Will Fuller (2016) — 4.32
    Trey Palmer (2023) — 4.33
    Danny Gray (2022) — 4.33
    Mecole Hardman (2019) — 4.33
    DK Metcalf (2019) — 4.33
    Phillip Dorsett (2015) — 4.33
    Brandin Cooks (2014) — 4.33
    Mike Wallace (2009) — 4.33
    Bo Melton (2022) — 4.34
    DJ Chark (2018) — 4.34
    John Brown (2014) — 4.34
    Tavon Austin (2013) — 4.34
    Ryan Swope (2013) — 4.34

     

    Obviously, a who's who of the hall of fame. Now take a look at some guys on the lower end of the times:

     

    Jerry Rice 4.45 (4.7)
    Sterling Sharpe 4.44
    Devante Adams 4.56
    Wayne Chrebet 4.53
    Lynn Swann 4.5
    Dez Bryant 4.52
    Al Toon 4.65
    Antonio Brown 4.56
    Cooper Kupp 4.62
    Chris Carter 4.63
    Larry Fitzgerald 4.63
    Terell Owens 4.45
    Steve Largent 4.70
    Mike Evans 4.53
    Brandon Marshall 4.52
    Hinez Ward 4.55
    Brandon Lloyd 4.65
    Kennan Allen 4.7
    Chad Johnson 4.57
    DeAndre Hopkins 4.57
    Jarvis Landry 4.77
    Allen Robinson 4.6
    Laveranues Coles 4.48
    CeeDee Lamb 4.5
    Kelvin Benjamin 4.61
    Anquan Boldin 4.71
    Deebo Samuel 4.48
    Brandon Aiyuk 4.5
    Reggie Wayne 4.5
    Plaxico Burress 4.59

     

    I think everyone owes @KDIGGZ an apology before he hurts himself twisting himself into knots saying he wasn't equating 40 yard dash time to NFL success. Goalposts are very heavy and difficult to move.

     

     

    KD is obviously all butt hurt because they sent the problem child drama queen packing. Good riddance. Love Coleman’s attitude!

     

     

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    Speed: I do the math here

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    1 hour ago, mrags said:

    Again. The argument wasn’t about who is better. Or who will be better. The argument is about the fact that 9ft is a hell of a lot of distance in a span of 40 yards. It is a fact. 

    Sure but in the context of a the game a 40 yd sprint only tells a fraction of the story.  It been proven repeatedly that slower wr using the 40 yd metric have had very successful careers.

    Speed: I do the math here

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    16 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

    I think a lot of people are getting upset that people don't like how slow he is. It's fine, he was successful while being slow in college and he will probably be an ok player in the NFL. The point is he had a glaring weakness vs others still available at the time he was drafted. If he was drafted in round 3 this wouldn't even be a discussion, we would be happy with the pick (most of us).

     

    We passed on Worthy who has speed you need to plan for, McConkey who has the speed AND route running, Leggette who has the speed AND size, and AD Mitchell who has every single tool available and might have a bad attitude but please tell me which superstar WR is pleasant. Coleman might end up being an upgrade over Gabe but there were other options available so it's a head scratcher.

    Stop it’s not like any of the guys you mentioned were a lock. All had warts.


    The 40 yd time is a component of an evaluation not the entire picture.

     

     

    Speed: I do the math here

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    16 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

    I’m not really arguing against your original point, just wanted to add that quickness, route running skill and acceleration are as important or more so as speed.

     

    The gauntlet speed point is questionable in my mind - the gauntlet is not a speed competition.  Players aren’t competing to see who can run it fastest.  It IS encouraging that he could ripen it fast and show good hands. do they time it then?

    They are now timing it, so quickness factors in this test.  This dude was also a 3 sport athlete. He’ll be fine!

    10 hours ago, mrags said:

    Is that like 4.61 on almost as fast as 4.3 in the 40? If it’s only 8 feet then it’s more like 4.61 is almost as fast as 4.35. Or somewhere in there. I’m not a mathematician like the OP or you apparently. 
     

    but I do know that 10 feet is a significant distance in a race as short as 40 yards. 

    Your’re so ridiculous with this nonsense.  
     

    It’s funny  how a slower 40  didn’t stop Puka from being an excellent wr. It’s also interesting how everyone was wondering why their fave team missed on him.  
     

    I didn’t like AD with his issues, Franklin dropped like a rock and XW is the size he of a middle schooler.  We did ok.

     

     

    Speed: I do the math here

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    3 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

    That's the difference between open and not open

    Lmao speed queens.. 😉the games not played on a straight line in gym shorts. 
     

    Read the article above!

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    Speed: I do the math here

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    Posted · Edited by PayDaBill$

    A lot of other factors come into play, running 40 yds in a straight line isn’t quite the same with gear on, running routes and tracking the ball. It’s just another athleticism metric.


    from a nbcsprts.com article in March.

     

     

    “Timing of players at the Scouting Combine isn’t just done with stopwatches. It’s also done with chips worn by every player, that tracking their speed during every drill. And last year, that player tracking data showed off the talents of Puka Nacua, a relatively unknown receiver out of BYU who went from fifth-round pick of the Rams to the most productive rookie receiver in NFL history.

    Nacua wasn’t great in the traditional tests of athleticism that the NFL has relied on for decades, recording a 4.57-second 40-yard dash. But the player tracking data showed he was the fastest receiver at last year’s Combine in running through the gauntlet drill, in which a receiver runs across the field and catches seven passes in rapid succession. According to the NFL’s Next Gen Stats, Nacua reached the fastest speed of any wide receiver during last year’s gauntlet drill at 20.06 mph. That tipped teams off that Nacua plays faster than he runs, something that Nacua proved in his rookie year.

    This year, Florida State wide receiver Keon Coleman was similar to Nacua: Coleman ran a disappointing 40 time of 4.61 seconds, but he reached the fastest speed in the gauntlet drill, topping out at 20.36 mph — even faster than Nacua last year. Coleman also reached the second-fastest speed of any wide receiver in his group while running a go route, reaching 21.71 mph.

    The player tracking data is new, and there’s not a long history of being able to study how well it correlates to NFL success. But it may prove that players who show elite speed during the on-field drills that more closely approximate what they do on a football field prove to be better players than the ones who run the fastest in a straight line for 40 yards.

    In hindsight, teams wish they had paid more attention to Nacua’s player tracking data than to his stopwatch time. Coleman will hope teams remember that during this year’s draft.”


    He’s not SLOW …. He has athleticism & speed in the context of the game.

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    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    45 minutes ago, Bills aPHILLYate said:

    The expectation and direct comparisons shouldn't be based on  emotion and attachment to your personal attachment to a player you wanted. 

    I'm not trying to be sarcastic. This is my sentiment to all the detractors and downers.

    I personally wanted AD but I'm not devaluing the pick because of the name.

    There are plenty of traits to justify the selection.

    He’s a better pick vs AD who spells trouble with a cap T.  I still think we could have worked a deal here, dropped a tad and still got him.

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    Rd 2, Pick 33: WR Keon Coleman, Florida State

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    3 minutes ago, Eastport bills said:

    All the draft specialists on this board should understand 73% of the receivers drafted in the 1st round since 2014 washed out and never got a 2nd contract. No one knows who translates into a productive player. I do know Keon is a physically tough receiver that will dominate on 50/50 balls and reminds me of Keenan Allen.

    What’s the percentage in round 2?😉

    Who do you want with our first pick in 2nd?

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    39 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

    People can change. I’m just giving him the benefit of the doubt. Super talented player though..

    Absolutely he’s talented BUT there are huge  red flags; bad attitude, ability to focus attention in meetings & manage his health (he’s an elite athlete) etc…. He’s a grown man, these traits don’t change easily….

     

    Unfortunately he has added baggage and risk.  If we had a solid receiver group I might take a chance but with all our shortcomings @ wr he’s a tough take.

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    The Bills are on the clock: Pick 33

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    2 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

     

    He may very well be the pick.

     

    But as for him always being "their guy" - he wasn't and isn't. "Their guy" to me implies someone that they love over others and had to have. It's clear with how they let WR needy teams have our picks to take WR's that they weren't worried which WR they took. 

     

     

    I've been notoriously against McConkey. But that was in comparison to Thomas, Legette, and Worthy - who I felt we'd have a shot at. We did and we passed on them.

     

    At this point, i'd take McConkey over anyone but AD Mitchell. For who's left, I'd be disappointed if we went WR at 33 and it wasn't Mitchell or McConkey. If it's Franklin or Coleman, I'd prefer another move down and would only be fully on board if Mitchell and McConkey were off the board.

    Too many red flags with AD Mitchell. Health and character. If an adult can’t manage his health, takes plays  off and has been rumored to have attitude problems ..  hard pass.

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