Patriot Killa
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4 minutes ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said:
I wouldn't draft him... He is a me first head-case. I would take a defensive stud this year. Don't pass on guaranteed talent
He’s more of a late round first-early 2nd to me.
But yeah..I just don’t see how taking defensive “stud” moves the needle for your team, my guy.
the Jets drafted Leonard Williams at 6 and you could literally stick a no name free agent in his place and we’d still have the same amount of wins/losses
He doesn’t move the needle in an offense based league.
Jamal Adams, we took him at 6, I love Adams. But you could stick Rontez Miles — our back up — in there and we would have the same amount of wins.
you draft premium positions in the first round.
5 minutes ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said:and Jets fans are still below pond scum... even if we end up agreeing on something
Ok I get it.. you’re an ass..no need to keep reminding me lol.
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1 minute ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said:
Williams and Harry are the only 2 I see even close worthy of a top ten pick
Luckily, FA starts before the draft
You think K’Neal Harry is a top 10 pick!?
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18 minutes ago, BigDingus said:
But there's so much beyond looks & below 60% accuracy to compare them on that shows the worlds of difference between the two.
Cam in College - Played in the SEC at Auburn, won a national championship, won the Heisman Trophy, was AP college football player of the year, first team All-American, and averaged a 62.9% completion rating through his 4 years.
Allen in College - Played in the Mountain West, was 2nd team all-Mountain West, never dominated anyone on the field, had no signature wins, played miserably as an individual against any power 5 school, averaged 56.2% completion rating through 3 seasons, regressed his final year at Wyoming, and had a mediocre year overall.Cam in the NFL as a rookie - Won Offensive Rookie of the Year, had a 60% completion rating, threw for over 4,000 yards, and had a positive TD/INT ratio, had an 84.5% Passer Rating and finished 40th on NFL's top 100 list (voted by players).
Allen in the NFL as a rookie - Even more inaccurate, completing just 52.4% of his passes, has the lowest passer rating of all qualifying QB's/lowest QBR on pass attempts, and is the dead-last, worst down field passer in the league by a wide margin (according to ESPN, on passes 16 yards or deeper his passer rating is 36.2 - almost 20 points lower than the next lowest QB). He has more INT's than passing TD's, has as many games with 0 TD passes as he does total TD passes, and is #1 of all QB's this year for Time-to-Throw in the league (average time holding onto the ball before throwing) at 3.28 seconds. Only 2 other Qb's average 3 seconds or more - DeShaun Watson at 3.03 & Russell Wilson at 3.00.
Then you simply just watch with your own eyes, both in college or in the pros, and see worlds of differences between the two. Outside of size & athleticism, there's a huge understanding & skill gap that is difficult to just brush aside.One had all the makings of a great QB in college & the NFL, and played at a high level at both (College - Won Heisman & National Championship; NFL - Offensive Rookie of the Year)
The other looks the part & has the physical tools, but has been getting by on "potential," and what he "could" be if only the right coaches could develop him right. So far though, there's no on-field play to suggest he's ever going to meet that potential, only glimpses of what he could do if he had a grasp of the game that equaled his passion for it.
Are you saying you don’t really fancy the Allen pick and/or don’t really believe he can reach a Cam Newton level?
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Just now, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said:
the draft isn't the only place to get OL talent... I would prefer filling holes in FA, with example:Juwan James and Matt Paradis, but if we drafted offensive help in the 1st round, I would hope that we at least traded back and got a couple extra picks for passing up elite talant on D
Yes but there really aren’t any Tackles worth spending money on, plus, you have to factor in the chances of whether or not that FA signs with you. They do choose where they sign.
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3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
What is everyones opinion of Deebo Samuel?
Explosive playmaker. Elite straight line speed. Twitchy athlete who can take the top off the defense as well as play the underneath routes. He does need to run the whole route tree but that’s about my only concern with Deebo. He has the skill set to consistent get separation.
Personally I think he’ll develop nicely in the pro’s.
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Just now, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said:
no, I am... I am probably more obsessed about the draft than anyone I know... and defense is the way to go, unless we trade down
Trade down would be better. Accumulate picks and then grab Offensive building block to support Allen.
Just because it’s a very loaded defensive draft doesn’t mean reach and take a defensive player. You could use that to your advantage and the quality of the defensive players push down the Offensive players that wouldnt normally be there in other drafts.
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1 minute ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said:
I wasn't opposed to that... if we did that, then CODY FORD WILL DEFINITELY IMPROVE OUR OL!!!!!
offensive talent sucks in this draft... terribly
It really doesn’t though. This is a very underrated WR class. DK Metcalf, Deebo Samuel, K’Neal Harry, AJ Brown, Paris Campbell, Marquis Brown and plenty of others can develop into very good players in my opinion.
This is a very deep Offensive Line draft and the running backs also look good. Benny Snell, Dave Montgomery, DeAndre Henderson, ect
you are just saying it’s a terrible Offensive draft because you aren’t familiar with their names.
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3 minutes ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said:
This draft is LOADED with GREAT DEFENSIVE talent, and the offensive talent is left wanting... get a STUD on defense in the 1st round would be ideal
Unless you actually look at what's available in the draft
Yes, i’ve looked at the draft. I amateur scout every year with fellow Jet fans. I’m not Gil Brandt by any means but, to answer your question, yes, i’m familiar with the prospects.
It honestly has nothing to do with the prospects though. It’s more about the right plan that needs to be set in motion in order to support and help develop your rookie QB.
is that not the most important thing about your team at the moment? I’d say yes.
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A true #1 can always run the full route tree, can catch contested 50/50 balls, has enough athleticism to get consistent separation, can get off press coverage, has good ability to track the ball in the air and solid hands.
most of the time, yes, you do want a talller guy because it helps in 50/50 jump balls but it’s not necessarily needed. 6’1 is the threshold for me.
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1 minute ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said:
Wrong draft for that buster
yes, you're a jets fan, therefore you are trash
How old are you? 12?
Just now, MAJBobby said:Said my piece. Build around your QB. Or continue to SUCK
This guy gets it^
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1 minute ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said:
Can't we all just get along?! Jets fans are below pond scum... I would take 20 crooked Hilarys over 1 Fireman Guy Jets Doofuses! you don't have to bring politics into a thread about draft picks. J-E-T-S- Suck-Suck-Suck! Anyways, I think you missed the point of this thread, let's get another Josh Allen! Hoorah!
Wow.. it’s just a sport, dude. We share interests in different teams. Is that really a reason to treat someone like trash?
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5 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
I am wondering how far we can trade down and still get Greg Little.....
This team is in a full blown rebiuld and even though we have 10 picks more would be better
My guess is that the top 10-15 spot will be about where Greg Little lands just because he has a high ceiling and plays a premium position. Would be ideal to do what the Colts did with us last offseason where they traded back but only traded back a few spots so they felt comfortable that they could stil get their top guy while accumulating draft picks. It’s going to depend on where the Bills land and then who would be looking to trade up into that spot.
That may have to be a draft day move as I’m thinking about it. Luckily this is a nice OL draft and the top part of the draft is defense heavy so it could push players like Greg Little down to Buffalo.
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8 minutes ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said:
Being an intellectual, and being 100% wrong is being a bit contradictory... if you want to have an intellectual conversation, try to apply a small amount of intelligence before you post an ignorant response. But what do we expect from a Sam Darnold avatar... again GTFO, unless you want to post something that was actually thought through
It was a simple mistake in which position he plays and yet you are actually condemning me as if I keep up with the Buffalo Bills to know better? A simple and plain correction would of been more suited in this situation. If I didn’t know any better, I’d say you are trying to be an ass towards me because I am a Jets fan. Thankfully, your personality doesn’t match the entire board or else I wouldn’t even bother. Luckily there are some genuine people here.
Now back to the topic.
I won’t act like I know the Bills roster situation so well but it feels like you’d want to invest high draft capital into a position like the Offensive Line or Wide Receiver in order to build around your franchise’s most important piece, Josh Allen.
Greg Little who is a prototypical sized Left Tackle would do wonders for Buffalo as far as protecting the future goes. Trade down? Grab AJ Brown? Just feel like there is more value in adding pieces that can directly impact Josh Allen’s development. I feel like Josh Allen(Kentucky LBer) makes more sense for a team that doesn’t have holes on offense nor’ one that needs to cater to the growth of their rookie QB. Your team is in a very similar situation that my Jets are in. Both need rejuvenation on the offensive side of the ball and fast, as we both have young QB’s that critically need the help.
just my two cents. I would pull my hair out if we took the Kentucky edge rusher...even though I think he’s a top 10-15 talent. Josh Allen’s development comes first.
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8 minutes ago, MakeBuffaloGreatAgain said:
Usually edge rushers are on the edge... last time I checked, Edmunds was an ILB. GTFO of my thread
Woah, emotional are we? He played on the edge in college so I thought he did the same in the NFL. Was actually my favorite edge rusher that came out last year...
No need to get pissy and carry yourself like a child. I’m merely here for intellectual conversation with other football fans. Obviously you don’t fit that role.
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..didn’t you guys just draft an edge rusher in Edmonds? Why take another in the first when you have other holes to address?
more importantly, holes that can drastically help Allen’s development if they were to be filled.
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29 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
Enjoy the loss
A loss isn’t something I’m worried about in an already lost season sitting at 4-9. The season is about the rookie QB’s progression and he played fantastic.
your team’s season is suppose to be about the same at this point. I guess you didn’t get the memo.
Again, I’m not pressed, Sam balled.
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2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
Waaa Waaa Waaa.....where the ***** is my violin
What do I have cry about? My team’s QB was balling tonight. ::shrug:::
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17 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
"Poise"
Oh boy
"Trash around him"
That Robbie guy really sucks......could you put in a word that the jets dont really need him and low tender him? I promise will talk to the bills and not offer him a contract.
Robby is literally the only player that is any good and he wasn’t even linking up with Darnold until a few weeks ago. He is one of 2 starters out of 9 that caught passes from Darnold today.
Andre Roberts is our KR/PR and he’s a terrible WR
Kearse has been god awful all year.
Enunwa was inactive
Herndon is a 4th round rookie TE(the only other starter)
Leggett is a back up TE
Rashird Mathews was signed two weeks ago and has been nonexistent.
Tomlinson is a back up blocking TE
McGuire is a 3rd string RB before injuries to Powell and Crowell.
Cannon is a 4th string RB
So spare me on the BS notion that he had talent around him. He did this all while being forced to play one dimensional because the run game was nonexistent today.
The kid just got to where the center wasn’t botching snaps and making him chase the ball every play. His Right Tackle just tore his ACL and the rest of the OL ranks nearly first in pressures and the WR’s are 10th in drops.
Darnold grinded out some beautiful plays with, yes, trash around him. Stop being insecure about Allen. He’s good too.
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Darnold just spread the ball to 9 different targets and 7 of them were back up players. He showed the ability to elevate the play of the trash around him. That’s the mark of a franchise QB
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Woah! Not even us Jet fans would say this.
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10 minutes ago, Bleedingreennc said:
Best of the rookie quarterbacks? Have you seen Mayfield play?
My stance hasn’t changed..
Mayfield
Darnold
Allen
Jackson
Rosen
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Just now, GunnerBill said:
Fair. Cam is a tick below 60%. He has good years and bad year but in his good years his team makes the playoffs. Given what we have had for most of the past two decades if you offered me a first 8 years like Cam's..... 4 playoff seasons, 4 non playoff seasons and 1 Superbowl appearance I'd definitely take that.
Absolutely. Same here. Cam Newton is not a terrible QB. He’s definitely a guy with a lot of natural talent and a guy you can win games with.
Bills got someone with that mold at #7 when Cam went #1 in 2011.
Thats not a bad deal right there, Bill’s fans.
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2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I didn't like him coming out but that was based on watching the film not the stats column. I have been mildly impressed to this point, but I do think it is true to say long term he will have to be a 60%+ passer to be a franchise QB. Let's see whether it improves with better talent around him.
I feel like when I look at a QB with success with such a strong arm, who’s mobile, who doesn’t have the best accuracy..I think of Cam Newton.
Cam Newton has been to a super bowl before. Cam has had success. I think Allen has a very similar playing style/traits and that’s how it could work out for him. 58-59% would be bar minimum.
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6 minutes ago, Generic Screen Name 2 said:
F'ing trolls. You all need to get over your love/ reliance on stats so much. You keep regurgitating the same old crap the draft "experts" jammed down our throats for months. Can you please have an original thought? Some kind of original analysis? He passes the eye test like no other I've seen in Buffalo since Kelly. You will eat crow. Of that I have no doubt.
It is extremely hard to predict a QB’s career trajectory in the NFL. It is the single hardest learning curve for any sports position and that is why they make the money they do, get drafted when they do and why there are so few elites.
Peyton Manning went 3-13 with 28 interceptions in his rookie year. Elway? Aikman?
then you have guys like RG3 who won rookie of the year.
It is literally impossible to judge a QB by his rookie season — especially going off of stats. Do stats matter? In some capacity, yes, they are still numerical evidence of how a QB plays BUT... some numbers aren’t and can’t be simply put into context. What if the WR half assed a route and the QB threw it to where he was suppose to be but it gets intercepted? Passes that were intially the correct read but get knocked into the air and picked off?
There isnt much context to be had in stats.
the best you can do is take things, both positive and negative, into consideration and try to project if what you are seeing can be fixed with experience or offseason self evaluation.
I think both QB’s will be fine in the long run but will need help from their organizations to succeed as any player would.
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Draft Josh Allen... 2019
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I agree. It’s what has held the Jets back for years and years. Bowles and Rex think they can run the ball and win games 14 to 7 and it just doesn’t work like that.
the QB was already the most important position but now it absolutely is...so much so that if you don’t have a franchise QB it’s very hard to win.(1 post season of Foles as the exception)
So now with the QB being even more important, the positions around him as well as his supporting pieces, naturally, become more valuable too. Drafting a DE or Edge doesn’t really do anything for your team’s direction when you have a QB who desperately needs player support and playmaker/protection in order to grow.