RochesterRob
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11 minutes ago, Tiberius said:
So we will be able to make everrthyng we need and no one will have to work. That might be good
It will not be good for a sizable portion of Americans. The ones that count on work to tire themselves out so they don't beat their wives, abuse animals, or molest 10 year old kids. Those kinds of crimes know no boundaries in terms of political affiliation. We are not wired genetically to go from taking most of the time we are awake just to have the basics such as it was 100 years ago to have unlimited free time and yet be fed, sheltered, etc..
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5 minutes ago, Governor said:
UBI is the only way forward. I think Congress knows that already. It will start when there isn’t enough FT work for people. I don’t see any other way unless there’s some huge breakthrough that creates 100 million new jobs.
They already laid the groundwork with PUA(pandemic unemployment) and the child tax credit. Those programs will lay dormant and then be expanded when they’re needed.
Who determines when there is not enough work? Has that not been an issue for quite a long time now? UBI does not address basic human behavior including the desire to have more economically than those around you. I fear that there will be a growing number of malcontents in society. Couple that with someone's misguided attempt to initiate environmental programs by restricting access to powered vehicles or environmental controls in a person's living quarters. Still going to need an effort/reward system to satisfy those who want more than you.
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12 minutes ago, B-Man said:
THAT’S BECAUSE IT’S 100% SOPHOMORICALLY POLITICAL bull####:
Critical Race Theory has no idea what to do with Asian-Americans.
By Kenny Xu
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As long as most Asian-Americans funnel through the public schools they will get the same guilt message as the other well performing groups. They just can't be used as the example the hucksters desire. The left will keep hammering for the next decade or so ahead of the planned wholesale change in terms of a massive redistribution of wealth.
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The world is going to get run over by the technology it has created in the last 30 years plus what is going to be released in the next 20 years. Our social structure is designed as such that we are obligated to spend on average 8 hours per day engaged in earning money so we can have food, clothing, shelter, etc.. Not perfect but it kept most of society in balance emotionally among other things. Now technology threatens to up end that social structure. People who can't adapt to new technology or new skills will become isolated perhaps leading to anti-social behavior resulting in a spike in crime. I expect that some people will be outright left behind in a new world where menial skills become minimally important. What did I read recently in terms of a 3D printer capable of producing a complete home. Won't need carpenters, roofers, etc. and those are the professions that have people that do not readily adapt to jobs requiring more advanced skill sets. This will all be an issue first in advanced nations such as the US.
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48 minutes ago, Tiberius said:
What should we tell kids about why blacks were not allowed to earn good livings before the mid-1960’s?
............that people like you are disproportionately focused on skin color? You obviously played with your Fisher-Price toys during Thanksgiving dinner versus listening to what the adults may have been talking about at the big table during the 1970's. Do you realize that just a tiny amount of time before that most whites did not cross ethnic lines out of fear of other ethnic groups when it came to business unless otherwise impossible. Italian families patronized businesses owned by Italians as much as possible. Irish families patronized businesses owned by the Irish as much as possible. And down the line. That interest rates set by the local First National bank were set by your "risk" which was a euphemism to say that anybody other than Protestant English and Dutch were going to be charges an extra couple of points at a minimum on a loan if they were approved at all. I hate to tell you this but I never heard of a "white club" that looked out for people of light skin color. When my father's parents first came to this area whites burned other whites out of their home or business. And it was not many years prior that the same people would do a burn out with the targeted people still inside a structure. I could go on but you don't really care about the truth. You just want to keep ginning up negative emotions for a political objective.
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On 6/2/2021 at 7:43 PM, SoCal Deek said:
Here's a couple of my own thoughts:
If Japanese, German, and Italian descendants from the Axis Powers that fought a horrific war against Americans in the middle of the 20th Century can succeed today, then how is it that Blacks cannot overcome things that happened a century earlier?
If middle eastern descendants from countries associated with flying planes into American buildings at the start of the 21st Century can succeed today, then how is it that Blacks cannot overcome things that happened a century earlier?
If millions of African born present day immigrants can succeed today, then how is it that American Blacks cannot overcome things that happened a century earlier?
Answer: It has nothing to do with the go-to excuse of racism! Success in America has everything to do with your willingness to stay married, study in school, and/or work hard. Millions and millions of blacks have found the keys to that success. I know it's hard to read, but it's just like Diet and Exercise. The keys are right out there in the open. They aren't buried in a secret vault somewhere.
You forgot SE Asian immigrants. They had to literally float their way to America. Or stay behind to be placed in concentration camps.
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37 minutes ago, Governor said:
Yes, 1/3 of the nation should stay poor so my burger stays cheap. Listen to yourselves!
Your burger should be cheap since it will be exclusively soy byproduct.
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43 minutes ago, Tiberius said:
Stupid logic
Not a question of math. Trump help events during a pandemic. Killed people. He laughed about it. Herman Caine was one who dies
He is death!
Yes, I have no doubt that you believe logic is stupid.
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2 hours ago, Tiberius said:
My math is excellent. Has $erved me well
If it has served you well then you would not be on a sports team message board pitching crap to people that do not believe in you.
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47 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said:
I wasn’t actually being facetious, though my wording did admittedly make it look like I was. If you send me links on meat consumption history, I’ll put them in my lengthy reading queue and will get to them by this summer. If you’re looking specifically to change my mind about veganism, however, that’s highly unlikely to happen at this point in my life. Is that cult-like thinking? No, it’s just a set of core ethical principles I have that are even stronger than all of my political ones (social democracy, environmentalism, non-interventionism).
The unhealthy-looking vegans you see are most likely the ones who didn’t plan their diet responsibly. Nothing but Pepsi and Oreos is a vegan diet, after all! Lots of women also use veganism to mask eating disorders so that they can justify their various food restrictions.
Part of what makes the dairy and egg industries cruel is what happens to the males. Chick culling is the mass murder of all the non-profitable ones that don’t lay eggs. Male calves are quickly sold to meat processing companies, so supporting the dairy industry is still de facto supporting the beef industry. In factory farms, the living conditions are atrocious. With dairy, the additional cruelty comes from the milking machines, the forcible impregnations, and the immediate removal of the calves from their mothers. Also, consider that all of these animals we exploit for food have been carefully bred over generations to maximize profit at the expense of their own physical mechanical comfort and physiological well-being.
Fair enough. I suppose I’ll conclude by recommending everyone watch Earthlings, a 90-minute documentary available for free on YouTube (it’s NSFW). If you can sit through all of it and still have no motivation to change your animal product consumption, then so be it. Vegan activism is still in the stages of promoting fully voluntary personal choices (well, excluding some of the peripheral animal cruelty laws plus any tax implementations to address negative environmental externalities). Once affordable lab-grown meat is ready, we can begin pushing for full legal abolition and concurrent transition programs for economically displaced workers in the meat/dairy industries.
Change is the one constant with humanity. As I said large volume slaughter of mammals is a rather recent phenomenon. It would not surprise me to see that change within the next 50 years. I don't fear such a change which may surprise you. As to male calves that was once accurate but sexed ***** has been around for quite a while now so it is not the issue it once was. As to impregnations that would happen in nature as the males would seek out the females that were in heat. As to discomfort that is seldom true. Can people be cruel to cows? Yes, but that happens on a very extremely remote basis in this day and age. Animals placed under stress do not do well in terms of production. Full legal abortion? As to workers there is already a domino effect in place due to the pandemic. The garage I dealt with to keep my vehicles running plus pass NYS inspection is up for sale because business was far too erratic during that time. Prepping a vehicle for inspection was a can that many kicked down the road when the budgets of many people suddenly could not cover every base every month. The current garage I use has an owner that benefitted from unusual circumstances (inherited money) to keep himself afloat during that time. Not saying that he did not layoff some staff as his business also went into a steep decline but he did not owe the bank on assets unlike the previous guy. These are Americans that most politicians do not see as they exist on what we historically called Main Street in the economic vernacular. Large in numbers but small to the politicians that are only concerned about Wall Street or the extremely poor. The pain on Main Street in my mind is just starting to flare up.
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4 hours ago, ComradeKayAdams said:
Thank you, Tibsy. It means a lot to me for you to acknowledge this point. I thought about posting a graphic image from an abattoir (how very Upton Sinclair of me!) to really drive home my message, but a simple Mahatma Gandhi quote is probably more appropriate for TBD: “The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated.” People should do their own internet searches on images from American meat processing plants and then juxtapose them with images from, say, the Yulin Lychee and Dog Meat Festival.
This is a faulty comparison. Choosing not to grow one’s own vegetables because of the labor difficulty and labor specialization is not equivalent to choosing not to kill one’s own food. The added ethical quandary with the latter is the obvious distinction.
I think you may be confused with what I meant by the “caloric survival” phrase. I’m referring to Robinson Crusoe-esque “eat meat or starve” situations. These would include living in American food desert communities or not being able to go fully vegan due to personal financial hardship. The ethos of veganism is minimizing the suffering of all sentient beings on this planet. Note that I said “minimizing” and not “eliminating,” which is a manifest impossibility. You are unlikely to find any self-identifying vegans who find it reasonable to expect someone else to starve to death rather than to eat meat.
From a health and safety perspective, I fully understand the reasons why we cook and season meat. I’m not personally interested in learning about the other culinary details. I have a pretty good understanding of the history of meat consumption, but nothing special. I dunno…send me some links or tell me which articles/books you recommend I read on this subject? Keep in mind that I was referring to the period in human history WAY before the Agricultural Revolution when I mentioned the scientific evidence for our predominantly herbivorous past. Also keep in mind that conclusive scientific results on this sub-topic wouldn’t affect the core vegan message. Evolution is eternally dynamic. We can always choose to “evolve” into pure vegans since we know that modern humans already thrive with a properly planned vegan diet. By the way, you might find Dan Buettner’s work on Blue Zones interesting. See: “The Secrets of a Long Life,” National Geographic, November 2005.
Your reply to Tibsy was a non sequitur. Please see my response to RochesterRob above.
Tiberius said it himself when he admitted that those in some states (in this case Kentucky) would rather shoot critters for viddles than weed plus tend a garden. This in an era when it most definitely was not a matter of eating meat or starving. This mentality is very evident in other states including NY. If I had to guess most people are still very primal when it comes to food. Not sure what else matters in this matter. The rest of your statement may be your principles but not those of most human beings. But, yes, there are certainly issues with modern meat distribution. Wide spread slaughter of mammals was rather isolated prior to the 20th Century. Most people had poultry as a primary meat source in their diet. Even in the 20th Century many on a weekly basis had poultry (my family and neighbors) and fish (Catholic tradition). My diet is born out of my parents' era in that red meat is not on the table everyday.
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6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:
If people had to make their own clothes, more people would be naked
True. It might help dampen egos that could sorely use some kind of deflation. The point was it takes a lot of effort to grow vegetables if mechanization and chemicals are taken out of the process. I doubt many would be down for daily weeding including getting down on one's knees and hands for many weeks consecutive to do so.
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3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:
If people had to kill the animals themselves a lot more people would be vegetarians
If people had to grow their own vegetables a lot more would be gatherers or hunters.
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1 minute ago, T&C said:
I dunno... Bumbles247 and other quality Bills posters post all the time. If you want good Bills talk you might be on the wrong site. However, this would be the Bills site for political discussion for sure. We have been through some bad Bills for a long time for sure in the last couple of decades.
I have not seen a Bumbles post in a long time. Does he have a different handle? Is he on a different site? He was an excellent source of information on things such as players' contracts and other NFL business issues.
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9 minutes ago, T&C said:
Many .... it just became an everyday hassle... when, it was a Buffalo Bills board.
People were pissed on a daily basis which did not help. Fire Jauron. Fire Chan. Fire Dougie. What's Ralph's plan? Does Ralph have a plan? Erie County stadium lease? (Fill in the blank) was a bust. Marv not a good GM. Bon Jovi stealing our team? 6-10. 7-9. and right down the line. Too many good posters never went on to other boards or at best post very sparingly.
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15 minutes ago, The Governor said:
I think B-man and his buddies were the reason why the political section on the main site was closed. They got into some spat. I wasn’t around and came back and it was gone!
Of what board? If BBMB there were many problems but I was content there to stick with just football. Stadium talk helped get through a year when the team was down.
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55 minutes ago, BillStime said:
When I joined this message board, I pretty much got my daily Buffalo Bills fill from the Stadium Wall and moved on with my day. I would take peek at PPP and fought off temptation to get involved as I couldn't believe how one sided, hypocritical and conspiratorial it was...
@Deranged Rhino was the queen bee and pretty much fell over backwards defending, deflecting and squashing ANY criticism of Trump. I tried to keep my distance but I caved. It was time to have some fun...
It was quite clear that most of his lemmings here get their news from the queen bee himself, Q, Flynn, Britebart, OANN, Newsmax, Fox News and other deranged sources. So, I came in strong and decided to piss all over their sugar coated Trump news with countering sources.
I knew I wasn't going to be popular... but I also wasn't going to be silenced.
That was your Corn Flakes that you were pissing on. Ever wonder way you need to go to the ER at least twice per week?
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20 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:
What do you get out of finding articles or tweets that you know heavily skew the truth, and posting them here as facts? Do you like demonizing people who have different opinions and values, while acting like your personal position has no faults? What's in it for you? Is it the need to feel better than someone else?
Most of them know that they cannot make it in an open and free society. So they have to fantasize about being commissars in a 20th Century Eastern European closed communist country. They make no issue about wanting to control you in terms of the food that you eat or your choice of transportation.
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4 minutes ago, BillStime said:
You don't really believe this... If you did, you wouldn't start bs threads like this:
It was nice of your mom to get your baby picture out.
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39 minutes ago, The Governor said:
Our great leader is cleaning up your mess and will continue to do so for 7.5 more years.
I feel like I’m talking to a bunch of old geezers that live in little gated, deed-restricted communities in Florida.
We left no mess and 7.5 years to clean up the first 100 days of Biden overflowing his Depends diaper seems like too long of a time. Lets move on to DeSantis who will have the Biden malaise cleaned up during his first 30 days in office.
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2 minutes ago, The Governor said:
The “uptick” in murders is from 1/3 of the country being unemployed from a pandemic. It isn’t from “lack of police.” It’s a trend. Crime goes up, crime goes down.
1/3? The Biden Administration keeps saying that nationally on average it is around 6 percent. Surely, there is no one area that is still stuck at 1/3 despite the efforts of your great leader?
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1 hour ago, Melon said:
Not surprised there are cotton experts here
How do you measure quality? By the number of square inches of belt sander rubs?
1 hour ago, Motorin' said:I'm pretty sure he was referencing the irony of MAGA hats being made in China.
What's a MAGA hat got to do with the decline of Levi's? Answer, NOTHING!
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34 minutes ago, SoTier said:
I know that, but RochesterRob claimed otherwise so I pointed out two infamous examples that cost people their lives.
Coming from you, that's a compliment. Thank you.
We're talking examples of quality. You claimed that quality in the past was better than today using Levis as an example even though you don't have first any first hand knowledge of that because you "stopped buying Levi's many years ago" . I disputed your assertion with two infamous examples from the past. My two examples were not only pulled from the market but the manufacturers were held liable for damages.
I can't look at Levi's in a store? For many years did not people look at clothing in a store before making a decision as to what to purchase? Look at any ad from a few decades ago such as a Sears catalog and they would talk in terms of cotton clothing in regards of ounces of cotton per square foot as a measure of durability. Do you deny that ounces per square foot should be a measure of quality? My discussion never veered to talking about general workmanship of products from decades ago versus today. I stayed on the topic of clothing. I'm guessing that somebody...anybody else other than you carries the checkbook in your "household." The rest of your statements are just mindless rambling. Developing products for the marketplace is not always about minimal effort to stay ahead of the competition. Ever heard of Gravely lawn and garden tractors? They built a product that clearly was above their competitors for many years. Goulds pumps. You know products that many Americans relied on to take care of their homes and grounds for many years. You are a shameful person. I am so sorry that you feel threatened by me and others who have stopped by to see how badly this board has deteriorated.
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6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:
No, I’ll be fine. It’s great being smart. Sure helps in earning wealth
Wealth can be fleeting and we are overdue for our periodic reminder as a country. Even in WNY fortunes have come and gone over generations. I can remember people old enough to remember families that made money supplying the Union Forces during the American Civil War here in WNY. The only legacy left for nearly all when I was a kid was a brick two story home in need of extensive repair and had boarders as few could afford to own such a structure by ordinary means. I'm afraid that many Americans will not like the near coming future. Time is the great equalizer among men.
Biden creates an economic crisis--Unemployment, Inflation, risk of STAGLFATION increasing
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Even the most ardent Biden supporter will admit that there will be a spread of malaise on top of the baloney.