Bruce_Stools
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“No gloves” O’leary Is a living f*cking legend!!
Perhaps more of an all around #1 than KB!
lololololololol
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10 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:
I remembered the same thing and dug this up that I read the other day, think this was it:
That is the article! Thank you
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59 minutes ago, Augie said:
Hard to believe they could rebound that fast after the Baltimore game. I wonder how we rank in the last 6 quarters! Long way to go......
I read an article a few days ago about how during the first 6 quarters of the season, the Bills were on track to demolish a record for worst defense ever.
And then the article went on to say that we were statistically best or 2nd best in almost every category.
I honestly forgot just how good, but when I leave work I’ll try to post what I can find
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5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:
Are you guys describing Benjamin or Foster? I’m confused.
Can we please finally knock it off with these kind of jokes?!?
Read the title, it’s a Kelvin Benja.......Robert Foster thread!!
LOL
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7 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said:
Bell
Elliott
Gurley
David Johnson
Kamara
Fournette
Melvin Gordon
Barkley
Kareem Hunt
Joe Mixon
McCaffery
That's 11 names all arguably better than Shady, the top 5 clearly better than him IMO. That's not including names like Devonta Freeman, Jordan Howard, Dalvin Cook who are closer to Shady than some here would be willing to admit.
In no particular order
Bell
Shady
Hunt
Gurley
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The rest
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38 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
No problem, I am thinking more like one team decides that they want to have death metal before the game instead of the anthem. They try to say “here’s what an NFL game looks like.” There is certainly some room for creativity as you get to the details (ie you can have someone wave a Bills flag and lead the charge). You can’t decide major things if that makes sense.
As an aside, I went McDonalds earlier this week. I probably go into a McDonalds 4 or 5 times a year. I ordered at a kiosk and not from a person. This was completely new to me. This must be the type of thing that they allow (but don’t require) franchisees to do. That’s the best parallel that I can draw.
Ok, I totally understand what you’re saying as in differentiating between what “must” happen and what will be permitted. With all of the detail they went into, as far as deciding whether or not players stand, down to which hand the helmet is held in, I still feel it may be more than just a suggestion, but there are no defined repercussions so maybe not.
Thanks, I appreciate the clarification
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14 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
These manuals are put together by lawyers and every word is thought out. When I worked in the NBA the Game Ops Book was like 1,000 pages each year. It was as detailed down to the 3 songs that you are allowed to play when the road team is on offense. (Seriously if you watch an NBA game when the visiting team has the ball only three songs/chants will play).
Sometimes these issues though go unforseen so they follow it by the letter the letter of the law. The fact that it says “should” means that they will leave that as a suggestion. If it said “must” it would be different. 5 years ago they probably could have changed that and no one would have thought twice. Now that it is in the public eye the changes will have to be agreed upon. Like anything it will be a negotiation. You usually give something and get something simultaneously.
Thank you for the response.
I had had no idea it got down to the nitty gritty with what songs can be played and all that!
And while I agree the manual obviously states “should”, It appears to have been left open for interpretation. In certain instances, “should” and “must” are interchangeable. In this case, I interpret “should” as a rule. As in, one “should” look both ways before crossing a road. Simply put, in this instance “you should look” replaces “if you want to live, you MUST look both way on a busy road!”
The manual says the players “should” do something to stay within the guidelines, it unfortunately doesn’t say what the repercussions would be if they don’t adhere to them.
3 minutes ago, Bruce_Stools said:Thank you for the response.
I had had no idea it got down to the nitty gritty with what songs can be played and all that!
And while I agree the manual obviously states “should”, It appears to have been left open for interpretation. In certain instances, “should” and “must” are interchangeable. In this case, I interpret “should” as a rule. As in, one “should” look both ways before crossing a road. Simply put, in this instance “you should look” replaces “if you want to live, you MUST look both way on a busy road!”
The manual says the players “should” do something to stay within the guidelines, it unfortunately doesn’t say what the repercussions would be if they don’t adhere to them.
9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:There’s a difference between things clearly defined vs. suggested. You “can’t” take certain drugs. You “should” stand for the anthem, with helmet in left hand, etc..
A lot of these things aren’t necessarily designed to be rules. They are more designed to make things uniform and clean so that teams don’t go rouge. Think of the NFL like McDonald’s corporate. There are certain things that franchisees “must” do, other things that they “should” do and other things that they “can” do. All of those have different meanings but the goal is that if you go to 3 different McDonald’s there are a lot of similarities amongst them all.
Correct
I posted my last post before I got to read your newest one. My apologies.
Althought they aren’t rules, you mentioned they were designed to be uniform and so teams don’t go rogue. Isn’t that exactly what happened though?
edit. I think I quoted myself accidentally lol
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2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
What’s the question? I do know a little about the CBA (more about the NBA CBA) but have a working knowledge of the NFL.
In order for a rule or “suggestion” to actually get into the official rule book and operations manual, wouldn’t they have already been cleared by the players??
If that is the case, which it might not be, then the players would have already agreed to this “suggestion” and would therefore need to follow this “suggestion”, right?
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1 minute ago, Kirby Jackson said:
They “should” be. It has already been determined that you cant punish someone for something that they “should” do. That’s why guys can (and are) still kneeling with no repercussions.
If you have any knowledge of the cba, rule book, and the operations manual, can you answer the question I had for the other guy?
I honestly don’t know. Thanks
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5 minutes ago, NoSaint said:
The cba restricts what players can be punished for. This is a slightly ambiguous instance of whether or not a player can be punished.
I’m actually a little confused honestly. Even though the nfl rule book and the operations manual, according to an nfl representative, govern the nfl, the cba is actually the only way to determine a rule or what’s punishable or not? Isn’t that what the books are for in the first place. Wouldn’t that have been cleared by the players association before anything gets put into said books???
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2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
The bolded word is why it can’t and hasn’t been enforced. “Should” isn’t a requirement. That has already been challenged and decided. If they changed it to “must” it would be different but they can’t do that without the player’s approval.
According to stay within policy a.k.a. “The rules” a player should be standing at attention with a helmet in his hand.
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4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
No confusion here. The constitution allows 1st amendment rights in the public sector and its restricted in the private sector with some exclusions. So an NFL team, while privately owned partners with the public sector in many areas.
The league (and all leagues) defer to the collective bargaining agreement between the players and owners. They decide the rules and regulations that will govern the business. The result is that the league doesn’t punish players or restrict their ability to exercise those rights. Whether you like it or not that IS how it is being handled.
It may change at some point but if it does it won’t because of the constitution. It will be because the players and owners reached an agreement that they are both comfortable with. The owners can’t function without the players and the players can’t function without the league.
The game operations manual clearly says in order to stay within policy, a player should be standing on the sideline with a helmet in their left hand during the anthem. That is a guideline every team follows.
What i I quoted earlier was directly from a representative of the NFL. It is a rule
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6 hours ago, MAJBobby said:
Stadiums Publically Funded.
Employer has no policy against. So want to try again. Collusion to blackball is not a policy
The employer certainly does have a policy against kneeling.
NFL games are governed by multiple codes of conduct. One is the NFL rulebook; another is the NFL game operations manual. The rulebook is concerned with in-game actions by players and coaches (like scoring, penalties, challenges and so on), whereas the game-operations manual dictates how NFL games should be run in the bigger-picture organizational sense.
The NFL rulebook makes no mention of the national anthem. But the game operations manual does.
Here’s what the game operations manual says regarding the national anthem, according to an NFL spokesperson:
"The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses."
i may may have borrowed that part from a sports illustrated article.
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2 hours ago, The Wiz said:
He did so with the Pats too.
Nothing better than seeing him get beat and then stop and look back with the WTF arms up look.
Couldn’t have happened to a nicer team....
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12 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:
I want to see a player retire right in the middle of a drive....
Gilmore “retired” on a bunch of plays when he was a Bill!!
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7 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:
If you don't think that if this was a backup player he would have been cut already, you're in fantasy land.
Edit - This is not just a shot at the Bills, Its the entire NFL. IF you are a top level player, you have a longer leash.
I’m afraid it goes higher than that my friend.
This should be a shot at society in general. Even if, as you say, a lesser quality player was accused, he does not have the right to be innocent until proven guilty anymore. Not just a problem with football.
Just a big problem and a mob mentality.
If you don’t agree with being innocent until proven guilty, I’m willing to listen to your reasoning, but chances are, you’d be wrong.
This fantasy land that you speak of, is called America.
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1 minute ago, CountDorkula said:
But McCoy fits the Culture of this team.
Er I mean
He has talent so they will let the "Process" stuff fly.
Innocent until proven guilty.
Innocent until proven guilty.
Innocent until proven guilty.
In other news, I heard from a very reliable source that Tom Brady raped a dolphin the last time he was in Miami! Off with his head!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously though, off with his head!!!!!
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1 hour ago, co_springs_billsfan said:
*than
Hahahahahha my mistake!
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50 minutes ago, row_33 said:
when he returned against the Bills the whole universe gave him a 3 hour standing ovation, i recall...
I was at that game! He was a idiot then two!
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14 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:
He’s too damn slow and “Shaq don’t make the free throws!”
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9 hours ago, GreggTX said:
If they play better, why not? Why the attitude?
I’m thinking about it the same way I believe you are.
Ideally, you won’t look for trash to replace trash, but our trash seems to be third stringers acting as starting caliber players. Let’s get someone else’s backups, because 2nd stringers on a good team > misplaced 3rd string trash from a team that needs them to be starters.
I don’t understand the attitude either.
Just an idea.
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32 minutes ago, The Jerk said:
Whoa!?! Absolutely perfect!
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1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
And away we go!!! All we need is why can some people say the n word and we can’t!
Which n word would that be......neighbor? Nike? Nomenclature?
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49 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:
I wouldn't label him a racist based on his comments. People throw that word out too freely nowadays and it does more harm than good
There’s this idea floating around that people of color cannot be racist. Seriously, if you don’t believe me look it up. If he isn’t racist, he sure fooled me
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NFL worried about Chargers viability in LA
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