Dkollidas
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1 hour ago, kdiggz said:
Define "a while." All of them started year 1. Nobody sits anymore, especially high draft picks. You can't justify some no name QB from the 4th round sitting on your roster and developing for a few years like they should. They can either can play right away or they are gone pretty quickly.
All the more reason to have a developmental league imo. I would definitely take a shot on these types of guys if I could send them off to the minor leagues and see if they turn into something. They aren't going to develop with limited reps in practice and not playing in the games
I would say 4 weeks is a while. A good month of regular season games just to see the play live from the sidelines, how the calls are made, how an offense is run, etc.
But I agree with you for the most part. And I totally agree on the point of a developmental league. They really need it. It would be really cool.
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1 hour ago, kdiggz said:
?? All of them did so thank you for proving my point
Well Wentz did, and Watson started in what, week 2? But Trubisky and Goff both sat for a while before starting. It’s not as common as it used to be, but i can still see the benefits to doing it.
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The play that did it for me was the 4th & 2 on what, the NE 5yd line? They have Tyrod drop back, he has a rush coming from his left side, with his own lineman still making an effort.
Instead of stepping up, INTO the pocket, and making s decisive throw, he drops his eyes, and COMPLETELY bails out of the pocket, which allows the edge rusher on the other side to have an easier path to pressure him.
at this point he tries to make a maneuver and run up the sideline, but seeing he has no options throws it out of bounds...
I like the guy, he tries, and he’s a good character person in the room. But he’s not a quarterback that can do what needs to be done in big games.
i don’t care which one it is, but I’ll take my chances on ANY one of Darnold, Rosen, Allen, Mayfield, Rudolph, Lock or even Jackson before another year of Tyrod.
and for a year to give that rookie time to sit I’ll go after one of the Minnesota guys (Bridgewater, Bradford, Keenum in that order).
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1 minute ago, Buffalo30 said:
Yes but Rudolph is in a Mike Gundy system that inflates a QBs stats. I've watched Rudolph play a lot and he completes a short pass that his receivers take for a touchdown and it inflates his stats. Remember Brandon Weeden?? Yeah same system. I know you know that. He has footwork issues, lacks a big arm, and didn't show up in big games this year. Put up absolute duds in a handful of games this year. Not a big fan. He doesn't excite me at all.
Rosen is a great pocket passer who can hit the timing passes better than any of the other QBs. His traits translate to the NFL the best.
Darnold has had stuggles with turnovers but he's had some great NFL type throws. With the right coaching, he'll be a star. His Penn state game was eye-opening last year.
Allen has no talent around him at all. You can't just look at the stats with him. Watching him play several games he's shown me a wow factor too often to pass on him. He has the best arm in this class by a mile. He certainly needs grooming and some time behind a vet but he can be great.
Mayfield has a bunch of questions and I'm not that high on him myself. I think he's the fourth QB in this class.
I think Drew may come out but we will see.
I agree with you on most of it. I just think Rudolph has some potential, but that’s just my estimate. I could be totally wrong.
honestly I’m hoping the Giants amaze everyone and either trade down or take Barkley and the Bills are able to move up and take Darnold. It’s a hope and a dream, but it’s possible.
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1 minute ago, Buffalo30 said:
He struggled hard against TCU and Oklahoma. Very inconsistent
All of the guys coming out have their inconsistencies.
-Rosen forced things and put UCLA in bad positions when trying to do too much.
-Darnold turned the ball over on an average of almost 1per game and had I believe 8 fumbles? That’s a real concern.
-Allen couldn’t complete 60% of his passes, played down against any real competition, and seems to have a tough time making the easy throws.
-Mayfield has had his issues not so much with his play, but with the off-field issues and the crotch-grabbing incident and the flag staking in Ohio St. And while people constantly complain about the system Rudolph plays in, Mayfield also plays in a similar spread system, so his numbers can be questioned as wel in that regard.
-Drew Lock lead the FBS in TD passes with 40+, but struggled with accuracy as he completed less than 60% of his passes, and seemed to put up big numbers against lesser opponents.
(Threw him in there because I believe there’s a decent chance he’ll come out as well).
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Exactly. That’s what I meant was to get a veteran to put in front of a rookie for a year, or possibly two. Someone like Bridgewater might become your franchise guy, but I wouldn’t be upset about that if he did
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1 minute ago, xRUSHx said:
Allen needs more work then Rudolph IMO. For one you can not teach accuracy and IMO Allen just does not seem like a kid that loves the game, I just feel like he is another Trent Edwards in the not really caring what happens type of attitude about football . Rudolph has the tools and just looks the part all the way around. Of course I like Rosen/Darnold more, in fact Mayfield is selling me more but to take Allen over Rudolph if the Bills do not move up I do not agree at all. IMO Rudolph is going to be a very good starter in the NFL while IMO Allen will be a full time backup. I also do not like Jackson I am tired of the run first QB.
JMO on this post
I like Rudolph a bit more than most as well. I was watching someone on YouTube analyze their game with Oklahoma, and Mayfield is making throws and there’s no one near him. Rudolph is throwing to guys and they are covered. He makes the hard throws look easy, the sideline passes, the deep balls, and I think as he gains experience in an nfl system he has enough touch on the ball to make those simple dump off type throws in the 5-10 yd range as well
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1 minute ago, Buffalo30 said:
I guess the days of letting a QB develop for a year or two are gone? KC did the smart thing and let Mahomes sit for a year to be groomed
I think the Bills will do the same. There will be so much QB movement this year we could end up with one of the Minnesota QB’s, McCarron if he’s available, possibly a guy like Alex Smith if he becomes available.
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I’d go after...
DT- Star Lotulelei (run stuffer we need)
CB- TJ Carrie (cheap DB depth & versatility)
QB- Teddy Bridgewater/Sam Bradford/AJ McCarron If he becomes a UFA
Also on a side note, I would look into dealing for Jabrill Peppers from the Browns. Gregg Williams has been playing him 25-30yards off the ball as a FS. In reality he should be a SS, or even more so seems like he could be a fit in McDermott’s scheme as an OLB, similar to what they did with Thomas Davis. Maybe something around Shaq Lawson if they don’t believe he’s the right fit with Cleveland potentially adding something small?
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CB- TJ Carrie- Oakland
underrated in my opinion. Has played on the outside, in the slot, free safety and strong safety. I could see him being an under the radar signing. Similar to a Hyde/Poyer but even more low key. Could add some nice depth behind White/Gaines and battle for the #3 spot.
Vontae Davis as well. Older guy but was cut by the Colts due to injury issues, could see him being a guy brought in to add some cheaper depth as well.
If I’m the Bills, Lotulelei is my number one target. He can be the nose tackle we need in there.
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On 12/4/2017 at 6:02 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:
With two first-round selections thanks to the 2017 draft-day trade with the Kansas City Chiefs, the Buffalo Bills are perfectly positioned to move up and select a quarterback. And they would have to, based on the most recent draft order that has them selecting No. 16 and No. 19 overall.
All the way back in August, I started hearing from rival scouts that folks in Buffalo loved Sam Darnold. When rumors circulated that Darnold wouldn't want to go to Cleveland (which he squashed), a source connected to the Bills front office texted me to ask if the USC passer would rebuff the Bills.
Darnold won't be on the board for long—in fact he might be the first pick, if he declares—but there is serious smoke connecting the Bills to him.
Just out of curiosity, could these have been the scouts from when Whaley was here? Or was that crew gone by then? Justnout of curiosity.
Also, I could see Buffalo really liking Rudolph as well as Darnold. Similar in that they both have prototype size, good character traits, seem relatively intelligent, etc.
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If they tried something crazy like going after Cousins, I would do it. But it’s extremely unlikely considering that he’s already their property and how he’s played.
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Lotulelei is someone they should definitely look into. I’m not in favor of paying big money for a guard. There seems to be a lot of O-Line talent in this years draft, grab some guys there, could definitely see Quenton Nelson slipping that low, or Billy Price, or Hernandez from UTEP, or a guy like Ragnow who might slip from being out a good portion of the season.
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I would like a bigger backup tight end. Someone like Fumagalli front Wisconsin in the 4th Round would be a nice add if we could do it. 6’6” is hard to miss, and with the offense they want to run is like another TE option. With Clay’s health usually in question, I’d like a backup more suitable to start and more depth as well.
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I think one other interesting player, if he decides to come out, will be Drew Lock, could see him falling somewhere in the Mayfield/Allen/Rudolph/Jackson group.
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5 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:
NO WAY we trade up for Allen.
If anyone it will be Mayfield, but hopefully we won't have to.
You think this group led by McDermott & Beane would touch Mayfield? I just don’t see them wanting his personality on this team at all.
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17 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:
I don't think 1 1st this year and one next is going to be enough to pull off that move.
KC now looks like they will win the AFC West, so that pick is going to be late. The Bills' own pick is likely going to be around 20th - especially if they beat Miami today. They appear to have played themselves out of a shot at a good QB prospect.
Hypothetically, getting up to pick #7 or so (let’s assume the Bengals & Jets are around #8 & #9.
Pick 7 is worth 1500pts.
Lets say Buffalo gets lucky, and makes the playoffs, but loses, they pick 22nd, good for 780pts.
Also assume for arguments sake, the Chiefs Pick is 25th, 720pts. That’s actually exactly 1500pts.
A team like the Bears May want a receiver, but might not want to pick one at #7. Colts, Buccaneers, 49’ers, etc are all solid candidates. And our 2019 1st Round Pick might even be considered more valuable to a team like the Bears if they want to see how Trubisky is in year 2 and decide whether to build around him further for year 3, or cut their losses and use additional Draft capital to make moves for another quarterback.
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I have a feeling that the draft situation will go something like this...
Darnold goes 1.
Rosen goes 2.
Broncos get Cousins (they want to win another super bowl before that defense is too old).
Buffalo trades up with Chicago (our earliest 1st this year, and our 1st in 2019) to jump ahead of the Jets & Cardinals, and take Josh Allen. If they need to they’ll jump ahead of the Broncos to do that as well.
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James Washington? He always seems to make plays. I know part of that can be put on the system, but the guy plays outside and seems to be able to consistently make big plays. Also a senior, definitely a guy I could see them go after in the 2nd Round.
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Mike McCoy?
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All for a Quarterback, whatever it takes.
My preference is Darnold.
i think Rosen and Mayfield are lower on their board than most people’s boards.
If it cant be Darnold, I’d go after Lock/Rudolph/Allen. Allen has is critics, but the kid has some insane tools.
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4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:
This is where I have always had a problem. Mayfield is off the board for being "high maintenance" and "attention seeking" but we leave Rosen on? If Mayfield is off, then Rosen is off for the same reasons.
Possibly, I’m not sure, just guessing, so you could totally be right. To me there’s two differences.
1. Rosen hasn’t had off-field issues that I know of, and certainly not to the degree Mayfield has.
2. The physical characteristics couldn’t be more different. 6’4” versus 6’0” I would imagine is a big deal to McDermott and Beane who have talked repeatedly about a guy being able to “stand tall in the pocket”, etc etc
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47 minutes ago, Pete said:
they benched eli for geno smith. what gives you that idea?
I’m inclined to agree to a point. Not 100% of course, but I think the Giants are a team with a lot of interesting needs, but also a lot of interesting talent. If Beckham isn’t hurt this season, Manning looks a lot better, their record is likely closer to .500, and they’re looking at building young pieces around Eli.
As as it stands now, not giving Webb a start makes me think they’ll wait for their new management team to make the call, which also makes this an uncertainty as well. I Could see them wanting to put another young guy (2nd Round or later) along with Webb to play behind Manning instead of using that valuable of a pick on a guy if they think Manning has a couple of years left with the right situation around him.
The conventional wisdom is that new management likes to bring in their own quarterback (kind of like the Bills are trying to do). But it’s also being rumored that David Gettleman, the former Panthers GM who worked a long time for the Giants. So for him, he was there when they traded for Manning (he was technically drafted first by the Chargers in that draft). So they might want to try to ride Eli fora year with a healthy Odell, and even if they stayed at two, selected Barkley and gave Eli what Big Ben has in Antonio Brown and La’veon Bell. Add a couple offensive linemen to that and you could have a really interesting offensive group.
Also, regarding their organizational values, they really seem to value consistency & continuity. Blowing it up, by cutting/trading Manning, drafting a rookie at #2 just doesn’t seem like their M.O.
Manning has a no-trade clause. I doubt the Giants want to cut him and get nothing for him. If he wants to try to finish up his career as a Giant, he might be able to force the issue for another year or two.
The possibility of trading down should also also be appealing to a new GM taking over a new organization only a couple months before the draft. Most of the league has front offices and scouting departments that have been together an entire year scouting the upcoming draft class. Having more shots at the board is always helpful. And the possibility of something like receiving three 1st Round picks and a player (Glenn) at a position of need is a pretty enticing offer indeed. Especially getting a new front office and coaching staff together and watching Darnold/Rosen on tape, they showed warts. Rosen forcing passes, trying to play self proclaimed “hero ball”. Darnold with some odd mechanics and high rate of interceptions, along with turnovers in general?
To me the Giants are the most interesting team in the draft. They could do anything.
Take a QB? Makes sense.
Take a skill position guy like Barkley? Makes sense
Trade down? Makes sense.
But overall, I think they’re a conservative organization (from an ownership perspective), and won’t take the risk in a QB while Manning still has any gas left in the tank, especially considering Odell was injured all year.
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I just don’t think he’s what the Bills are looking for, just his personality and how he carries himself. They seem frown upon guys who could be viewed as an “attention seeker” or “high maintenance”, not to mention off field issues, along with physical height. I feel like he’s low the board of what they’re looking for.
guys that will be high:
Darnold
Rosen
Allen
Lock
Rudolph
- those to me are the 5 guys they’ll target to different degrees.
Rosen out for bowl game with concussion
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I do wonder if he slips because teams worry about his personality and leadership traits. He might need to ace the interviews.
But I could also see a team like the Browns feeling that an opinionated guy like this might be exactly what they need to run their franchise.
regardless I think Darnold goes 1st, Rosen goes top-10.