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1 minute ago, CSBill said:
well, emotional or not, did we not win some games with those guys????
We won an average of about 7 games a season....never made the playoff though
Just now, K-9 said:
LOL....and so are some of the emotional romanticism here. It's GOLD!
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2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
I actually had that question myself.
Google the word "emotional" and then "romanticize" then think about all the pining for past Bills talent. A light bulb should go off
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3 hours ago, Bob in STL said:
Good post indeed.
There will always be people questioning the trades - did we get enough return? Part of trades was getting rid of "bad contracts", or "did not match the scheme", or getting rid of players that could not be counted on for health reasons.
Allen and Edmunds are key and Beane will need to hit on his draft picks. Now that he cleaned up the cap and the dead money clears next season he will need to be very smart with the cap space.
The other thing that people seem to be overlooking is the roster/cap situation of the team that Beane inherited. They were very top heavy as Whaley heavily invested a lot of money in starters, and never had to pay a QB a big contract. As a result guys like Marcel Dareus, Cordy Glenn, Jerry Hughes, and Charles Clay all had huge deals. Behind them was very little depth. The "win now" mentality of Whaley would go on to hurt this team. Rather than try to emulate his cap strategy, Beane had different ideas. I give him credit. The Bills needed to fumigate the stink left from Whaley and Buddance Nix
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3 hours ago, teef said:
the bills played solid last year considering all things. the opener was a stinker, but this year, along with the off season needs to play out. anyone truly calling for this staff to be fired now, (and i can't imagine they're being serious) needs to be sterilized so they can't reproduce.
For a dude with a muppet as your avatar you are really making a lot of sense!
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3 minutes ago, Peter said:
We were foolish to let him go. I believed it then and I certainly believe it now after seeing how we have mishandled the offensive line.
Guess what - guys do get injured in this league. It happens all too often.
Of course, just because he got hurt playing for the Texans does NOT mean that he would have gotten a season ending injury if he were still with us.
With respect, your post makes no sense given that is what you are implying (otherwise why would you post it).
P.S. Seantrel reportedly was playing very well for the Texans and, in particular, against JJ Watt in practice. We have nobody on our line who could match up well against JJ Watt.
LOL Emotional Bills Fan Romanticism
Go back and watch the game film...Seantrel was not that good. Keep dreaming though
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1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:
Please define “emotional romanticism” - that’s the second time I’ve seen that phrase used here lately.
LOL ok it . But I am going to coin a new term: Emotional Bills Fan Romanticism. It comes from the term romanticize.
romanticize: to deal with or describe in an idealized or unrealistic fashion; make (something) seem better or more appealing than it really is.
Emotional Bills Fan Romanticism is what happens here quite a bit. When people will start lamenting about former Bills players or coaches the second things go bad for the team or the second a former player has even the smallest amount of success. It's characterized by an unhealthy obsessing with remembering those former Bills players as much better than they were in actuality.
I compared to this - a 50 year old man living in a one bedroom studio apartment in Lackawanna thinking back to his red-headed high school sweetheart name Lucy who he broke up with to play the field (But it's not me). The second things start going back he goes back to this romanticized version of Lucy where things were much better in his imagination than they were in back when the two dates.
After yesterday's loss, the Emotional Bills Fans Romanticism reached it's peak. Someone actually lamented getting rid of Seantrel Henderson and Cyrus Koundjio. I am not kidding. You know what's next right "Oh why did we get rid of Adolphus Washington. We never should have let him go." I'm 100% serious you know.
Anyway the list of players who Bills fans romanticized here over the past 24 hours includes:
- Sammy Watkins
- Robert Woods
- Ryan Fitzpatrick
- Marcel Dareus
- Chris Hogan
- Marquis Goodwin
- Seantrell Henderson (I kid you not)
- Cyrus Koundjio (I kid you not)
- Preston Brown
- Stephon Gilmore
- Ron Darby
- Nick O'Leary (Not making this one up)
- Kaelin Clay
And this is just from my memory. Bills fans, leave the (fabricated) memories alone!
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1 hour ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:
Did you just learn the term “emotional romanticism”? Been throwing that one out a lot lately....
No but all of the pining from Bills fans yesterday made me realize just how much emotional romanticism there is from the Bills fan base
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4 minutes ago, fridge said:
Not sure if you're new or not... but this is actually pretty similar to how TBD is after a 1 point loss as well.
I’ve been around for 1 year but it kind of seems a little extreme after Sunday’s loss....this kind of reaction reminds me of the old Bills Bulletin Board. The only difference is the board didn’t crash on game day and the mods here are pretty cool and won’t give you infractions for saying how bad the team sucked!
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Since the loss on Sunday, the amount of unintentional comedy in this forum is off the charts. The emotional romanticism is off the chain. There’s a lot of debate and infighting among members. There’s also some really ridiculous comments and takes, which were proposed with 100% sincerity. Four days ago people were comparing Nathan Peterman to Drew Brees, now they want to see him released.
This forum is pandemonium.....this forum is fandemonium. This forum is....fantastic.
Thanks to all all the member and mods who are making this a fun place to debate, commiserate, and talk Bills football!
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On the topic of emotional romantisicm there actually was a “we should have let Seantrell Henderson and Cyrus Koundjiol post here. And the author is defending his take.
I told you I wasn’t joking
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On 8/27/2018 at 3:56 PM, DrDare said:
So both of these O lineman were essentially kicked to the curb, with none to really replace them as depth
They are both currently on other NFL rosters.
Meanwhile we are reeling at our O-line depth and starters for that matter.
Romanticism at its finest folks...
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27 minutes ago, Turk71 said:
Judging by the off-season oline additions I think tanking must be the plan.
The 5 year 50 mil contract to Star however, makes me think that maybe these guys just don't know what they are doing. Regardless of if it was planned, with the worst o line and wr corps in the league and a sieve of a defense, the Bills will almost certainly have a top 5 pick in next year's draft.
I disagree. You can say that perhaps they overpaid Star but he definitely filled a need. Adolphus Washington was the starting 1 Technique DT. He sucked. Also if you noticed last season how easily it was go QB’s to step up inside the middle of our D. It’s because the DT’s got no push.
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1 hour ago, COTC said:
This morning, I had a conversation with a Bills Executive, who wishes to remain anonymous. This was his thought on the game and general status of the team.
“Allen showed composure. I like some of the movement under Dabol.
The free agents, o-line and peterman are a waste.
Tampa 2,3 zone 8 yards back made Flacco look like Montana. This is what happens when a insecurity replaces judgement in turning over roster.
Darby for Jordan Matthews. Marcel for a 5th, Watkins, Tyrod and Glenn for picks never selected. Coleman cut Even Benjamin for a third looked like a bust.
Let's just hope I am overreacting and next week we rebound against a team flying west to east. Last night, on a podcast, Mel Kiper predicted the Bills to have the worst record in football, losing their first 8. Let's hope not.
There is no plan for Allen, however, will now remain the starter”
This page is filled with insiders
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56 minutes ago, Batman1876 said:
When McBeane took over in 2017 they saw a team that was in a tough spot. Little cap room in 2017 and even less in 2018. The previous few drafts had provided precious little talent to build around. There were big money players under preforming their contracts. Our championship window was closing on a team that was mediocre at best. Big money contracts would necessitate we ditch some talent to make room to fill a roster and we'd chug along with the mediocre play that had defined most of the drought. But they decided to take it another route.
McBeane's gambit was to get rid of all that talent that would not be a part of the team's future as soon as possible, trading them for draft assets. The Number of trades made over the course of that first year was truly staggering. They turned talent that they did not see as the future of the team into two 2nd round picks, two 3rd round picks, a 5th round pick and two 7th round picks. This would not come without a cost, in the form of huge dead cap money and a roster with holes. The benefits could be huge too, lots of draft capital with which to get young talent and a very favorable roster situation in 2019. The Bills have 91 million available next year and only 4 players cost more to cut than they do to keep 3 of those being out 2017, 2018 first round picks.
The writing was on the wall that they knew this season would be rough. They Chose dead cap and draft picks over keeping under preforming guys, who were nevertheless talented. They picked two developmental guys in the 1st round. They left free agency with an assortment of depth guys, over the hill veteran leadership guys, cheep risky guys who may be good and maybe a role player or two. they traded away 2018's roster so they'd have more tools to build 2019's roster.
The last 12 months set the stage for McBeane's gambit and the next 12 months will ultimately determine if it will pay off.
Sir, you are spot on with your assessment. This is one of the best and most sensible posts that I’ve read in a long time. No romantiscm or overreacting. Smart and well-thought our. Kudos.
I have to agree with what you said, and as I’ve stated before I think that privately Beane and McDermott were hedging their bets. If you read some of the comments they made publicly, it’s very telling. I remember McDermott saying things at the Senior Bowl like “every year is different” and citing his experience going 6-10 after the Panthers made the Super Bowl.
Even in the press conference today he said he was in “year two” and that the roster was not a finished product
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6 hours ago, Jasovon said:
Fitzpatrick is a legitimate comment, having him around would have made us better.
If you are talking about the 2018 Bills roster, then yes I do agree that Fitz would be a really good addition as an experienced QB who could be a stopgap for a handful games and then hand it off to Allen. I don’t think it was a mistake to move on from Fitz. We all saw his shortcomings as a starting QB and it drove us crazy. At the time, no one was upset that he was gone. It just proves that this emotional pining has got to stop. It’s silly
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2 hours ago, dezertbill said:
Title of this thread is ridiculous. This front office has made some great decisions.
One area it seems Beane fell short is the OL. They underestimated the loss of Richie, Woods, and Glenn.
Frustrating? Yes. Leading to total FO incompetence? Not even close.
Back off the ledge. It's week 1. Lets see how the coaches, team, and FO rebound from this.
Yes I totally agree. But did they really underestimate the OL? Or were there just not many good options out there? People are forgetting that Beane didn’t have the cap flexibility to sign players like Nate Solder or Andrew Norwell to huge deals.
I guess you could say that they could have drafted some linemen. But remember the #1 priority in the draft was QB, the second was defense. There were a lot of needs on this and you can’t all address them at once - especially given the cap situation. Whether it was OL, LB, WR or whatever other position it’s impossible to fix everything in a year. This is why I am certain that Beane and McDermott were privately bracing for an off year given the roster they have.
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27 minutes ago, QBorBust2018 said:
Actually it’s not. This is a **** show. Simple as looking at the roster. It’s trash.
Heyyyyy heyyyyyyyy, bills always wanna lose! Throw your hands up and lose ! Cmon now the losers making it happen now !
Get out the paper bags for the next decade.
Fitzpatrick dropping dimes today lmao!
Ryan Tannehill dropping dimes.
Nathan peterman working at enterprise next week. He’ll pick you up B word
There are funnier ways to troll BTW
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23 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
How is that a cheap shot or an attack? Are these or are these not topics you have introduced and pursued?
I just find it ironic that you’re so prescriptive and even sanctimonious about what should or should not be discussed here given topics you introduce.
It’s not a mod thing.
You mentioned an unrelated topic, in an attempt to make me look bad. That’s why I said it was a cheap shot. But keep pretending like it wasn’t. I guess I just expect more from a mod. Silly me
11 minutes ago, KD in CA said:Come on, you know you long for Whaley's dynastic 7-9 teams featuring Tyrod & Sammy.
Yep exactly
16 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said:I think most on this board do no romanticize having those players on the team. I think most on here try to evaluate the decisions that were made at the time and then also see the impact of those decision down the road. I think those decisions are key to evaluating the performance to the GM, HC, and Pro-personnel team.
Most on here and our current GM believe the Bills should build through the draft. Ok fine. Then when you draft players like Watkins, Dareus, Gilmore, etc and then let them walk or trade them it is quite fair to critique the decisions.
Take Dareus for instance. The draft pick in return is worthless. The run defense is worse. But the full impact of that move will not be known until we see what FA signings occur with the extra cap space.
Gilmore is the starting CB for the best HC in NFL history. And somehow we should not question the decision to let him walk? No contract extension? No franchise tag? If you are going to credit McD with the 2017 draft then you have to add the Gilmore decision to his decision making body of work. And then McD and Beane need to own up to a 3rd round comp pick that was wasted by keeping a couple of FA signings on the team that offer little to no value.
In many cases I have agreed with the decisions to let players go. I would not have paid Goodwin the money he got from San Francisco. But great for him that he is doing great. I have no issues with that decision.
The Bills have the worst WR group in the league. Watkins should still be on this team and he would be the best player on the field. They didn't even need to extend his deal. They could have just picked up his option and used the tag the following year.
These are all decisions that have consequences. I am not romanticizing having Watkins on the team. I am evaluating the series of decisions that produced the group of WRs on the field.
Yellow Flag for Romanticizing on Sammy Watkins. They could have picked up the option but just like the Rams, they didn’t think he would be worth the money. Second, if they tag Sammy they are paying him at the top 5 at his position. Look at his stat line today....was he really worth it?
you can definitely criticize some decisions, but I think moving on from Sammy was the right decision on hindsight
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2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:
How does one arrive at the Bills record for 2019?
I don’t agree with you on many things. But this statement is one of them. Truly ridiculous to predict 2019
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3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
I guess we could discuss Sully, interviews Sully gives, and websites he starts instead, according to your preferences?
What I want to see stop is demonstrations of historic incompetence on the part of current Bills coaches and players. Absent that, what folks want to talk about seems like small stuff.
I personally have trouble getting over TJ Graham while Wilson was on the. Board.
...or we could just be moderators that attack members with cheap shots, but you know.
1 minute ago, jahnyc said:I don't think many of us want Whaley, Sammy, Tyrod or Fitz back, but we do miss, at least in some fashion, the talent represented by players like Gilmore, Darby, Brown, Hogan, Woods and Goodwin. All of these players would be upgrades compared to what we have now. Even Dareus would be an upgrade, but not at the salary we were paying him. I
Good romanticism right here
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Just now, Peter said:
It is somewhat ironic that you are "BringBackOrton."
Emotional romanticizing at its finest. Nothing beats Bills fans
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Just now, Jauronimo said:
How does it stack up to the "emotional romanticizing" of current players, coaches, and front office personnel? Is it any less ridiculous?
Here are legit takes from the past 2 weeks:
-Peterman could be our Brady
-Peterman = Brees
-McDermott and Beane are building the 89' Cowboys
-We will make the playoffs in 2018
Oh, and does this concept apply to romanticizing former members of the Buffalo News?
Like who Lisa Wilson?
The bad takes on current players or coaches? I get that, it’s optimism. Yes they are probably just as ridiculous. But the pining for the past is just plain pathetic.
I’m just saying the whole “oooooh why did we move on from Tyrod” is silly. Like I mentioned before it’s the 50 year thinking back to his high-school sweet heart from Lackawanna (not me)
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7 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:
Pretty much .
This is one thing I don't like about Beane is bringing in former Players that haven't been great. I know it's human nature but most times it's best to leave emotions out.
“Leave the emotions out.” Too bad 75% Of Bills fans cant do that
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3 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said:
Or the “we could have drafted “ “instead of “.
Right....exactly. It’s just as pathetic as the 50 year old from Lackawanna, who is not me FYI
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