SinatraSinger
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10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Um, the Seattle game was an upset win, not a loss.
I went and looked at last years schedule and it says that the game was in Seattle, on a monday night, and that the Bills lost 25 to 31. The box score also shows that the bills had the ball over 40 minutes had 30 first downs and somehow still only scored 25 points and lost the game.
13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:I kind of hate you for making me re-watch how horridly porous our D was in that Miami game.
Taylor has his points, but along with "same QB, different OC", the Horse-Beating Society asks me to mention we do seem to be missing a few other difference makers from those tapes, initials of SW, RW, and MGUm, the Seattle game was an upset win, not a loss.
The better question isn't really "what teams in the league are...." as "what coaches in the league have the right perspective to fit their scheme to their players?"
I would expect Andy Reid (Matt Nagy), Pete Carroll (Darrell Bevell) and if he returned from the college ranks, Jim Harbaugh, to do so. Bill O'Brien maybe - he seems to keep going to the playoffs with scraps at QB. Possibly Gary Kubiak if he came back as a coach. There may be other guys who would do it, the point is, it isn't the "right offense" so much as the "right offensive mind".
That's my major question mark with McWrestler and Co as our coaches. They seem very fixated on "putting the right bodies on the bus" instead of getting their hands on talent, and exploiting it effectively. Maybe they're gonna get both, whoo hoo! but all too often, that doesn't seem to end well.
So you think that these coaches change their whole offensive philosphy based on their players? Or do you think that have a basic philosphy and try to find what works within their philosphy with the players they have.
Personally I think that Dennison has been trying to figure out how he can use Taylor within his philosphy but has just been unable to do so. Finally gave up and now we will see Peterman.
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1 hour ago, moshermw said:
Not sure if you are referring to Marcel Dareus "trade" ? or that you are probably correct that TT won;t be here next season.
The Bills got at least something for MD. And they traded him when the bills were 4-2. Cool. At least the Bills got something for him.
TT is benched at the moment, not - and can't be, traded. Because that pesky trade deadline has passed - and they will not get dvck for him - not even a 7th rounder - because they benched/didn't pick up his option now.
Agree or disagree with the change to Peterman, timing is insanity.
What makes you think that they weren't trying to trade him? I personally think that this FO will trade anyone if the offer is worth it. No one is off limits. Heck I think Beane would trade McDermott and Pegula for a ham sandwich if he was really hungry.
My quess is that they did try and trade him. The team was 4-2 and looking good. Tyrod's value wasn't going to be any higher so I believe they did try and shop him and no one offered the bills anything, at least not what the FO thought was worth it.
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On 10/4/2017 at 4:36 PM, 26CornerBlitz said:.@greggrosenthal ranks all 32 starting signal-callers in his Week 5 QB Index http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000856686/article/qb-index-week-5-tom-brady-unfair-alex-smith-on-fire
These numbers say through week 4, where is he now through week 9.
Sorry, should have read this thread all the way through. Please move on, carry on.
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Ok, this thread went where I was hoping it wouldn't.
But so far we have that he can scramble, throws a good long ball.
The video's provided by moshermw were interesting. Both games were losses and it was only the highlights but it seemed to show that if you let him take a longer drop back, say 7 steps, he can be more effective.
46 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:The problem with Tyrod is he requires a very specific offense to take advantage of his skills. Very few teams will be willing to change their system for him. His extreme "safe" play and unwillingness to throw wr's open will always be his downfall .
What is this specific offense that you speak of.
3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Can we start with you defining what you mean exactly by "viable starting QB"?
With Tyrod Taylor under center in 2015 the Bills were 12th in offense; in 2016 the Bills were 11th in offense. That's after the famous London game in '15 and the final game in '16 where Manuel started. Without those, they were better - 9th and 10th I think. In those same years, the Bills D was 15th and 16th.It seems fairly reasonable to believe that with a top-5 D as the Bills had in 2014, we would have won a couple more games and seen some playoffs. So in the sense of "able to lead a team to playoffs", Taylor demonstrated he has the skills to be a viable starting QB in an appropriate offense - with a varied blocking scheme and top rushing attack, enough passing game to keep the D a bit honest, and the ability to gain yards with his feet.
He is probably not a viable NFL starter in a conventional timing-based pass-first WCO.OK, you make some fine points. You are saying that in the rigt offense he could be a viable starter. So what teams in the league are presently running an offense that Taylor could possibly excel in.
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9 minutes ago, tonawandarock said:
1) He’s a great scrambler(but he won’t throw unless he scrambles first)
2) He has a great arm(but no accuracy)
3) He can throw short(<5 yd) or long(>50 yd)
4) He doesn’t throw interceptions(See #3)
5) He’s consistent(170 yds a game, produces about 11pts. /game)
6) He’s better than EJ Manuel(I guess)
Do you think that these make him a viable starter as a QB in the NFL?
To all I am serious with this question. I guess I want to know why aproximately half of this board think he has the skills and the other half doesn't.
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OK, help me out all you posters that think that Tyrod is a viable starting QB.
I will admit that I have never played organized football just alot of sandlot football growing up. I have been watching football for 50+ years. During those years I have seen great, good, medicore and poor players at every position. I've been watching Tyrod now for 2.5 years and I do not see how anyone can consider him a viable starter on any NFL team.
So what I am looking for is to be educated. As I said I have not played organized ball and I have found over the years when reading posts on this site as well as others that people that have actually played this game have a better insite when it comes to these sorts of things.
So please tell me what strengths and skill set Tyrod has that makes you believe he can be a viable starter in the NFL?
Thanks
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I think this front office will listen to any trade offer for any player on this team. No one is off limits.
So more than likely FO did try to see if there were any potential trade partners and there wern't any.
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I think that this is basically hogwash. These are professional athletes for kripes sake. A route tree is a route tree regardless what NFL team you have been playing for. A good QB and a good WR should be able to get their timing down with repetitions. That's what practice is for. It it shouldn't take months or years. The actual timing should take days. Rep after rep after rep.
Now trust is another issue, however if a QB doesn't trust his receivers then why are the receivers on the field if the QB won't throw to them. OR If the QB is not capable of trusting his receivers (which I believe is one of TT's problems) then why is he your QB.
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I agree with MAJBobby on just about everything he wrote in this thread. Everyone can keep defending Tyrod, but that is all just wishfull thinking.
Look, if you haven't figure out that Tyrod is not the answer then what have you been watching. I am really tired of hearing about the talent at other positions and this is why Tyrod doesn't succeed. A good QB can make the other players on the field better. Prime example for me goes way back to when Bledsoe was the QB in New England. That team looked terrible, everyone in NE was complaining about the offense line, but then Bledsoe gets hurt and in walks Brady and all of a sudden the o-line looks good. The WR's and RB's look good. Do you really think that their talent level got better because Brady came in. Do you think they were purposely playing bad to get rid of Bledsoe, no of course not. They were the same players with Bledsoe as they were with Brady,, but lo and behold they looked more talented with Brady.
Heck, take Hogan for an example. He looks like a decent NFL receiver in New England, did he look that good in Buffalo. Do you really think in the ride from Buffalo to Boston he all of a sudden got talented. NO OF COURSE NOT. The difference is that now he has a QB that can help make him look good.
Now I have no idea if Peterman is the answer, I expect that he is not. But I know for sure that Tyrod isn't the answer. I see no harm in letting Peterman start. This offense is terrible, do you really think they can get any worse with Peterman.
I'm curious in regards to Tyrod's skill set
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Please define his skills? What are they?
So far we have that he can escape and use his legs, he throws a nice long ball and he doesn't throw interceptions. Personally I don't think that not throwing interceptions is a skill it is a by product of not making enough attempts but that is what people have said.
Yes he has good legs and escability which in my mind would make him a good punt returner but not neccessarily a good QB.
So what are these QB skills that everyone seems to think he has?
Thanks