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I have never seen it with edmunds. All tools no toolbox.
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I just have a bad feeling we face a pissed off group if we play the titans this week. Teams teams tend to play well the game after adversity, then the ill-affects deep in after a couple weeks.
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I was skeptical of Allen when he was picked. He seemed like an all tools, no toolbox pick. I tend to like QB’s without elite physical tools because they may have very higher football IQ, accuracy, work ethics ect to compensate for physical deficiencies. I believe these things are more likely to lead to nfl success.
However, what gave me optimism that he could prove me wrong was his love of football and, most importantly, his seeming insatiable desire to work on deficiencies and improve.
I feel so many Uber pHysically gifted QB’s like Allen fail because they have always gotten by on talent alone. They have dominated with their physical traits and when they get to the NFL and hit resistance, they don’t have the will or desire to work hard and get to the next level. Allen is not this at all. Perhaps some of this ties back to not being a highly recruited high school prospect. Regardless, I am so very excited to have Josh on the team. He is a rare bread of physical talent, work ethic and love for the game.
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James proche, WR, SMU
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Everyone comparing this deal to Hopkins did not watch much of Texans last year. I was living in Hou for much of last year and watched almost every snap he played. Guy was either hurt or lost a step, maybe 3. Would not surprise me if he goes the way of anquan boldin/kelvin benjamin/ Brandon Marshall ect. Most likely scenario I actually think he’ll be similar to Larry fitz of last 5ish years. Good catch radius, chain mover, but not a game changer. These deals are apples and oranges IMO.
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2 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:
So instead of getting one of their stud receivers, we got the TE who was so talented they didn’t throw to him! Just kidding (sort of). He has a good name.
Obviously our scouts didn’t think they were studs.
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A couple things:
1. He looks surprisingly quick, fluid, fast. Anyone know why he didn’t run the 40 at the combine?
2. We know Beane and Co spent A Lot if time watching DK Metcalf and AJ Brown, obviously Knox caught there eye.
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Obviously both is great, but if just one then speed/quickness. Really what I want is someone who can get separation.
I am a Josh Allen fanboy, but think percision passing will likely never be his strong suit. I think he would excel more throwning to receivers with a step then trying to put the ball exactly where a big receiver could get the ball over a smaller corner. Much like cam newton, who had a modest 59% career completion percentage with big wr’s like Benjamin and Funchess, this year he got some burners and was 68%.
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Anyone who is not dissapointed in Allen thus far just doesn't get it. Guy has simply not played the position well, at all. He has run the ball well for a QB, but you know it is a bad sign when the best thrown ball of the last few games came from Nate fricken Peterman. They days of QB's needing a year to be productive are over, there plentiful examples of guys coming in and showing a ton of potential, as a passer, early on. There are not many examples, however, of guys struggling to complete passes at the rate Josh has, who were able to overcome that.
I like Josh, he has ton's of talent and seems to have a great work ethic and drive. He is miles behind mentally and accuracy wise. We will see if hard work and determination can drastically improve those areas; however, history has not been kind to QB's with these issues. The best thing I can say about the kid, is that if anyone can beat the odds, I think it could be him.
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The only hope we have is that coaches were putting players in tough spots to see if they could handle them, that they won't be put in during the regular season. However, seems no one handled their responsibilities well, and you can't give help to everyone...
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Simms has seemed to pump up josh Allen a couple times. I’d love this if true, but I wonder if Simms has a bias for some reason.
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16 hours ago, Fadingpain said:
"Plus, playing in Buffalo, Allen has the juice to cut the ball through the wind, rain, sleet, ice and snow coming off Lake Erie."
This crap yet again! This is simply not a thing. If this guy thinks it is, I'm not sure why we are reading what he thinks of Josh Allen.
PS: Allen's weaknesses greatly transcend mere inaccuracy issues. Anticipation, timing, reading defenses, most of the mental components of the position are sometimes there and sometimes not there with him.
The Bills will need to tear him down to nothing and re-teach him now to be a QB. That almost never works.
Don't take my word for it, look at the data.
What data? While I agree with your assessment, there is no data that truly measures anticipation, timing or football IQ. While I agree that will likely be why Allen fails (if he does fail), that is true for most quarterbacks. Also, there are very very few QB’s who you could confidently say excelled in those areas coming out of college.
however, in my opinion there are a few things a qb needs to develop these skills: intelligence, hard work, and talent. Allen has all three. Whether he puts it all together, who knows.
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I am sorry as i don't really know how the offseason works. Will Zay potentially have any meaningful practice time before start of seaons?
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cant say i understand this with our lack of experience/talent on the OL.
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Our receivers should be better than last year, and we made the playoffs with them. They are not a good unit, but if this team fails to make the playoffs I feel it will be the OLine's (running game) regression that will be responsible.
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41 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:
Can you provide a link to anything that backs up your claim? I'd be interested to read/watch it.
Everything I have seen says they had Allen ahead of Rosen.
Trust me, there will be no quote, no link, not even a "rumor" from someone he claims to know. He will just disappear and troll the same nonsense in a few days.
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7 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:
Until he proves otherwise, he's JaMarcus Russel with atleticism and a nice wonderlic score.Lol you said that like it’s a bad thing...but Jamarcus with athleticism smarts (and work ethic) could have been a pro bowler..
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I think Beane showed his thoughts on trading 2019 draft picks.
The truth is we were lucky to make the playoffs last year. There are teams who had down years who should have been better, and the AFC as a whole should be better/deeper this year. Oh, and we will be starting a rookie qb or a AJ Mcarron. Beane likely sees that there is a real potential we are a bad team this year. We would not get a good value on our 2019 picks as teams will contend that that pick should be in the 21 range (where we were this year), when in reality it might be much higher than that....
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1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:
Mahomes is the same exact type of prospect as Allen but Allen is a better athlete , bigger and has a stronger arm
they are both developmental prospects who need to clean up their game.Mahomes played in the most gimmicky offense ever created and had horrible footwork and never played under center
His career 63% completion is inflated do to the air raid
Allen played in a pro style offense, played under center close to 50% , ran for his life behind a porous oline and played in a pro style offense
His stats easily correlate to 63-64% in an air raid.
Seeing as 1 extra completion a game brings him over 60%. Just 1
Lance zeirlin the Head of Making NFL scouting reports watched every play from both and gave Allen a slightly higher grade
If you like Mahomes there is no reason not to like Allen
Any easy way to confirm this is look at other QB's completion % in that offense. Nic Shimonek, this years QB in that offense, had a 66.5% completion %. That is one thing that people don't seem to understand, so much of completion % is the offense you run. Allen may very well struggle with completion % in the NFL, but it is erroneous to think a guy like Mahomes won't because he had a high completion % in college.
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2 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:
Ok got it.
So in order to succeed as a jerk, you have to be great. However, if you are perceived as nice, you merely have to be good.
Yes, If you are a jerk who historically doesn’t respond well to coaching then you do have to be more talented than a guy who is strong leader and is very coachable in order to succeed. With that being said, there are nearly as many examples of the former as there is of the latter.
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16 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said:
This is my point : Your position is unsupportable.
But I don't need to make this into a crusade. I can't reshape your character and you don't want me to. Believe your rumors and take shots and offer opinions critical of someone you do not know and have never even met.
I just wanted to chime in that that is what you all are doing. Not just you guys in the thread here, but everybody like you in the football world and in the media. Repeating rumors that were repeated to you and that will be repeated by others who don't much care to be cautious, or know facts, or even be reasoned with, when saying mean things about another person.
I can let it go like I say I just wanted to point it out and I think I have.
But listen to the guy talk, you can hear his arrogance for yourself. It’s not just rumors and smoke, if you listen to the qbs in this draft talk they are all likeable; Rosen is not.
again, if he’s a great qb none of this will matter. Likewise, if Allen is the most likeable/coachable player of all time, but can’t put it together, than who cares.
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1 hour ago, BadLandsMeanie said:
Maybe you will agree when I guess that "know it all" describes at least 1 in 10 young men his age. And maybe 1 in 5 first round picks?
Many of them admit that later on. They they wish they hadn't been so arrogant when they were rookies.
So granted, it is not the best mind set. But I am asking, what is so different about Rosen that he alone gets such a huge backlash against him?
I hope that Allen turns out great. But if it turns out that I have to keep watching losing football because our coaches didn't want to work with an annoying kid, I won't buy that. I think that is a character flaw in our coaches.
But setting that aside, doesn't it seem at all weird to you that teams and scouts and whoever else, just are all over Rosen, every day, month after month, for being a know it all??
Doesn't that seem unusual to you?
Doesn’t it seem odd to you that his own head coach wouldn’t suggest him for the #1 pick?
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1 hour ago, BadLandsMeanie said:
So beating on women isn't being a jerk? Remember, these NFL teams had to be forced, forced by public outcry, to do something about that. To even think about it.
There are many, many other examples of both players and coaches being jerks. Heck we had a coach, a middle aged coach, hit some teenagers for stealing a chair.
I could go on and on. And so could just about every football fan who reads the sports news go on and on. And that is only the stuff that becomes public. Oh don't forget the idiot on the Bills who decided to drive his three wheeled motorcycle up to a cop while holding a handgun. Plaxico Burris shot himself in the leg with his own gun. Nuff said about Zay Jones.
What sort of a jerk is Rosen, that is so very different and so scary to these NFL men? Was it the girl? The hot tub? The hat?
And why is it never specific? You are never specific in this thread. No one I have read has ever been specific. Not one time.
Your position is unsupportable.
Ya, you are missing the point.
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11 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said:
Well this is a good thread for me. I'm starting to see that something isn't right here. There is something different.
As has been mentioned it is outside the bounds of professional, or even adult, behavior, for Highsmith to have said what he did. And it is the same vague, no substance, non-specific whispery kind of gossipy stuff that implies that they secretly know more, but won't say. We have some poster or two in this thread with the same sort of thing. Never specific. Never a verifiable event. Always just the "If you knew what I know, you wouldn't like Rosen either".
But we got guys like Jameis Winston who had way worse stuff alleged and also worse stuff that was proven, who went #1. So besides the stealing and alleged raping he was a heck of a guy in college I guess.
I don't want to land on Baker especially but he was indeed drunk and did indeed run from and get arrested by the cops. Everbody loves him, and he goes #1 overall.
Joe Mixon here actually broke some poor girl's face. He is very strong and women's facial bones are not as strong. He hurt her bad. This was hushed up until it leaked out much later.
I guess besides things like this he is a joy to be around, right?
Josh Rosen on the other hand is so bad that his presence is near intolerable. But unlike the others, and unlike nearly every other college and NFL star, who grow so used to having their misdeeds and behavior hushed up or ignored that some few even wind up thinking they can get away with murdering people. Josh Rosen is exposed as a trouble maker before, during, and now after the draft. And the evidence we get is this. He had a girl, in a hot tub.
He had an F Trump hat on.
He is inquisitive of his coaches and wants to understand the game.
These are the specific charges against him. Everything else is whispers which I have to tell you, nearly always means lies.
But even if they are not, what is so different about Josh Rosen that he catches all this heat and EVERYBODY else doesn't? Even when they hurt people. Why is that? What is going on here? It seems very, very odd to me.
I don’t think anyonr was afraid of drafting Rosen because he is a “troublemaker”, they were scared off because he is a jerk. If you are phenomenal QB, you can be a jerk and still lead a successful NFL team. But you have to be great; will Rosen be good enough to overcome this, we will find out.
Week 17 1/3/21 Bills vs. Dolphins 1st Half Gameday Thread
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Don’t love the offense playing and sputtering. Hopefully doesn’t affect confidence going into next week.