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1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:
Mahomes is the same exact type of prospect as Allen but Allen is a better athlete , bigger and has a stronger arm
they are both developmental prospects who need to clean up their game.Mahomes played in the most gimmicky offense ever created and had horrible footwork and never played under center
His career 63% completion is inflated do to the air raid
Allen played in a pro style offense, played under center close to 50% , ran for his life behind a porous oline and played in a pro style offense
His stats easily correlate to 63-64% in an air raid.
Seeing as 1 extra completion a game brings him over 60%. Just 1
Lance zeirlin the Head of Making NFL scouting reports watched every play from both and gave Allen a slightly higher grade
If you like Mahomes there is no reason not to like Allen
Any easy way to confirm this is look at other QB's completion % in that offense. Nic Shimonek, this years QB in that offense, had a 66.5% completion %. That is one thing that people don't seem to understand, so much of completion % is the offense you run. Allen may very well struggle with completion % in the NFL, but it is erroneous to think a guy like Mahomes won't because he had a high completion % in college.
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2 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:
Ok got it.
So in order to succeed as a jerk, you have to be great. However, if you are perceived as nice, you merely have to be good.
Yes, If you are a jerk who historically doesn’t respond well to coaching then you do have to be more talented than a guy who is strong leader and is very coachable in order to succeed. With that being said, there are nearly as many examples of the former as there is of the latter.
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16 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said:
This is my point : Your position is unsupportable.
But I don't need to make this into a crusade. I can't reshape your character and you don't want me to. Believe your rumors and take shots and offer opinions critical of someone you do not know and have never even met.
I just wanted to chime in that that is what you all are doing. Not just you guys in the thread here, but everybody like you in the football world and in the media. Repeating rumors that were repeated to you and that will be repeated by others who don't much care to be cautious, or know facts, or even be reasoned with, when saying mean things about another person.
I can let it go like I say I just wanted to point it out and I think I have.
But listen to the guy talk, you can hear his arrogance for yourself. It’s not just rumors and smoke, if you listen to the qbs in this draft talk they are all likeable; Rosen is not.
again, if he’s a great qb none of this will matter. Likewise, if Allen is the most likeable/coachable player of all time, but can’t put it together, than who cares.
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1 hour ago, BadLandsMeanie said:
Maybe you will agree when I guess that "know it all" describes at least 1 in 10 young men his age. And maybe 1 in 5 first round picks?
Many of them admit that later on. They they wish they hadn't been so arrogant when they were rookies.
So granted, it is not the best mind set. But I am asking, what is so different about Rosen that he alone gets such a huge backlash against him?
I hope that Allen turns out great. But if it turns out that I have to keep watching losing football because our coaches didn't want to work with an annoying kid, I won't buy that. I think that is a character flaw in our coaches.
But setting that aside, doesn't it seem at all weird to you that teams and scouts and whoever else, just are all over Rosen, every day, month after month, for being a know it all??
Doesn't that seem unusual to you?
Doesn’t it seem odd to you that his own head coach wouldn’t suggest him for the #1 pick?
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1 hour ago, BadLandsMeanie said:
So beating on women isn't being a jerk? Remember, these NFL teams had to be forced, forced by public outcry, to do something about that. To even think about it.
There are many, many other examples of both players and coaches being jerks. Heck we had a coach, a middle aged coach, hit some teenagers for stealing a chair.
I could go on and on. And so could just about every football fan who reads the sports news go on and on. And that is only the stuff that becomes public. Oh don't forget the idiot on the Bills who decided to drive his three wheeled motorcycle up to a cop while holding a handgun. Plaxico Burris shot himself in the leg with his own gun. Nuff said about Zay Jones.
What sort of a jerk is Rosen, that is so very different and so scary to these NFL men? Was it the girl? The hot tub? The hat?
And why is it never specific? You are never specific in this thread. No one I have read has ever been specific. Not one time.
Your position is unsupportable.
Ya, you are missing the point.
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11 minutes ago, BadLandsMeanie said:
Well this is a good thread for me. I'm starting to see that something isn't right here. There is something different.
As has been mentioned it is outside the bounds of professional, or even adult, behavior, for Highsmith to have said what he did. And it is the same vague, no substance, non-specific whispery kind of gossipy stuff that implies that they secretly know more, but won't say. We have some poster or two in this thread with the same sort of thing. Never specific. Never a verifiable event. Always just the "If you knew what I know, you wouldn't like Rosen either".
But we got guys like Jameis Winston who had way worse stuff alleged and also worse stuff that was proven, who went #1. So besides the stealing and alleged raping he was a heck of a guy in college I guess.
I don't want to land on Baker especially but he was indeed drunk and did indeed run from and get arrested by the cops. Everbody loves him, and he goes #1 overall.
Joe Mixon here actually broke some poor girl's face. He is very strong and women's facial bones are not as strong. He hurt her bad. This was hushed up until it leaked out much later.
I guess besides things like this he is a joy to be around, right?
Josh Rosen on the other hand is so bad that his presence is near intolerable. But unlike the others, and unlike nearly every other college and NFL star, who grow so used to having their misdeeds and behavior hushed up or ignored that some few even wind up thinking they can get away with murdering people. Josh Rosen is exposed as a trouble maker before, during, and now after the draft. And the evidence we get is this. He had a girl, in a hot tub.
He had an F Trump hat on.
He is inquisitive of his coaches and wants to understand the game.
These are the specific charges against him. Everything else is whispers which I have to tell you, nearly always means lies.
But even if they are not, what is so different about Josh Rosen that he catches all this heat and EVERYBODY else doesn't? Even when they hurt people. Why is that? What is going on here? It seems very, very odd to me.
I don’t think anyonr was afraid of drafting Rosen because he is a “troublemaker”, they were scared off because he is a jerk. If you are phenomenal QB, you can be a jerk and still lead a successful NFL team. But you have to be great; will Rosen be good enough to overcome this, we will find out.
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21 minutes ago, PirateHookerMD said:
As someone nervous about Allen but on the train, I don't love hearing they had him 5th...
it sounded "highsmith" had him 5th, at the end of the season. Not sure how he had him come draft day. Also, sounds like Dorsey had Allen higher.
2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:Actually, you're wrong. Rosen would know, as I do, and you should, that the Wonderlic is not a good measure of intelligence.
And if you live in Orange County you would also know you are surrounded by 90% USC fans who of course hate him.
I disagree. Wonderlics, just like SAT/LSAT ect., do have a strong correlation to IQ. However, your excuse does sound like something Rosen would say.
Also, I live in Newport Beach, so it is actually 95% USC fans...
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6 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:
He worked his ass off, was fearless under the rush, and got murdered on and for that team. Never did a thing selfish on the field. Was VERY prepared, super smart, studied film. The "selfish" is just stupid criticism.
I too know people who know Josh personally as I live in Orange County and am very close friends with a former bruin (now in the nfl). People don't like him for 2 reasons: 1. If you are dumb, he makes you feel stupid, 2. If you are smart, you realize Rosen isn't nearly as smart as he thinks he is.
Look, the wonderlic isn't exactly a direct measurement of intelligence, but it is relevant. I am 100% confident if you asked Rosen before the wonderlic how he would fair against Darnold and Allen, he would assume he would destroy them in any intellectual endeavor....alas he did not.
Ultimately, I am not sure how much his likability matters. I think there are a plethora of borderline narcissistic/jerk quarterbacks like Rosen in the league. Some struggle (Cutler and Ryan Leaf) some flourish (Cam Newton and Aaron Rogers.) If Rosen isn't great, his personality will be a huge problem, I guarantee it. If he is a pro-bowler, he will be like Lebron, an egomaniac, but it won't matter.
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One thing I think is an interesting exercise is to compare the Quarterbacks vs. Their Backups (assuming they got any meaningful playing time). In some ways, I think this is more valuable than comparing the QB's statistically against each other as so much of stats is affected by system, supporting players, coaching ect."
Josh Allen:
Passing Rk Player Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate 1 Josh Allen 152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 6.9 16 6 127.8 2 Nick Smith 40 74 54.1 471 6.4 5.7 2 2 111.0 Clearly, Josh Allen outperforms his backup (to be expected...)and both had fairly low. Also, this is from Allen's most recent season (his down season). Wyoming was 0-2 with Nick smith and 8-3 with Allen.
Josh Rosen:
Rk Player Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate 1 Josh Rosen 283 452 62.6 3756 8.3 8.5 26 10 147.0 2 Devon Modster 51 79 64.6 671 8.5 9.5 4 0 152.6 Interesting to see that Devon Modster (who is a good qb in his own right) had slightly better stats than Rosen. However, UCLA did go 1-3 with Modster as a starter and 5-4 with Rosen.
Sam Darnold
Rk Player Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate 1 Sam Darnold 246 366 67.2 3086 8.4 9.0 31 9 161.1 2 Max Browne 58 93 62.4 507 5.5 4.9 2 2 111.0 This is from Sam's stellar freshman year, as he played nearly all snaps this past year. He outperfoms former #1 H.S. QB recruit Max Browne by a fairly wide margin. Darnold was my #1 QB in the draft (i think Beane's too) and this helps support that.
Baker Mayfield
Rk Player Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate 1 Baker Mayfield 285 404 70.5 4627 11.5 12.9 43 6 198.9 2 Kyler Murray 18 21 85.7 359 17.1 20.0 3 0 276.5 Obviously a very small sample size as Baker didn't miss much time in his college career. However, every time Murray played he did exceptionally well. Can't help but make you consider if some of Baker's lofty stats have to do with his situation.
This exercise would take a lot more consideration, analyzing game logs, considering opponents ect. However, I do think it is interesting that only Josh Allen and Sam Darnold seemed to clearly outperform their backup, albeit Darnold in a more convincing manner.
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Ya, reading the tea leaves I think the bills likely had a board of 1. Darnold 2. Allen/mayfield 3. Rosen.
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Lol so nfl execs are going to be manipulated into overdrafting a guy because they think the stalwarts in Drafting, the Browns, might like him...?
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6 hours ago, Carter said:
The picture of the cards war room showed who they coveted at qb. Allen wasn’t even listed.
And where exactly is this picture...
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Looks to me like the jets Checkmated the bills on getting mayfield or darnold. However, I guess there is a chance that if they really wanted darnold the bills could have tried to trade for 4 and then 2, allowing giants to still get sequan (seems unlikely on draft day though).
oh well, we will likely never know how the bills had the qbs rated.
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I wish coach Bohl would have indicated that Allen could do some of the stuff Wetnz did (change protection, ect). My fear with Allen is not accuracy, I think he is a very accurate passer, it is football IQ. High completion percentage often have more to do with the intelligence to set up the play correctly and throw to the right person (things I think the Elite QB's do better than everyone else) and getting easy completions - this is where Allen will need to grow.
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Just now, Domdab99 said:
Jesus Christ this forum has a lot of crap in it. I was probably the most vocal anti-Allen guy on this forum, but one thing that is obvious is that Beane and McD got the guy they wanted.
its obvious they preferred Allen quite a bit more than Rosen. Not sure if they got "their guy" who may have been Mayfield or Darnold. In fact, Beane has never said they got "their #1 guy, which leads me to believe he was not the #1 QB on their board.
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I strongly believe Beane and Co likely had one (or both) of Baker and Darnold higher than Allen. However, it seems obvious to me that if they wanted Darnold badly, and felt he was miles ahead of Allen, they would have made a bold move up to 2.
I also feel they feel they strongly preferred Allen to Rosen. If not, than they likely would have stayed pat until one of Allen or Rosen was taken, and then make a move, if necessary.
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While Allen was likely not our number 1, there are reports we tried to move up to 4 and had a deal in place for 5, so we do know that the bills liked Allen enough to try to move up as high as 4. Allen may not work out, but what I wanted was for our gm to be excited enough about a qb choice that we would make a move. Seems silly, but I’m much happier/more confident with Allen being drafted in a trade up and ahead of Rosen than I would have been if we just drafted Allen at 12 as the only “big 4” qb left.
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I have to believe that they had mayfield and/or darnold higher as you never heard beans say something along the lines of “we got our top rated qb”
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Seems like smoke, potentially to trick bills into thinking they don’t need to trade up to 2.
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While what Palmer says has truth, there are other guys in NFL draft history who had these factors affecting there completion percentage...and yet the good ones still completed passes at a higher clip.
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Strange question, but would rather pick Allen at 12 or trade up to get him (perhaps even above other top 4 QBs)?
i know it’s strange, but I might be happier/more confident if we traded up to get him and got the sense that he was “our guy” and not just a potential obvious bust we got stuck with.
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1 minute ago, HappyDays said:
The Colts GM on record said they didn't want to trade out of the top 10. Nothing we could do. I'm not sure it matters anyways, more and more it's looking like we can have Rosen at 5 or lower.
Not to argue that we should have, but we could have tried to trade with someone like Tampa. Then trade up again to 3.
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pretty sure drew brees is like a 53 mph guy....
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3 minutes ago, aristocrat said:
Do the broncos want the pick this year or next? Cause I think I’d rather give up next years one. I value our cap space and the 22 pick more than next years one
Next years one could be top 10 or 5....I would give up 22 all day.
We should offer the Browns a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Corey Coleman
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I think Beane showed his thoughts on trading 2019 draft picks.
The truth is we were lucky to make the playoffs last year. There are teams who had down years who should have been better, and the AFC as a whole should be better/deeper this year. Oh, and we will be starting a rookie qb or a AJ Mcarron. Beane likely sees that there is a real potential we are a bad team this year. We would not get a good value on our 2019 picks as teams will contend that that pick should be in the 21 range (where we were this year), when in reality it might be much higher than that....