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59 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
He's been absolutely terrible a couple of years running. Miami took him on this season and he did nothing there. They don't want him.
But they just signed OBJ instead.
So we're taking their leftovers?
And you can't say Claypool is high character.
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1 hour ago, NewEra said:
I can’t understand why we continue yo sign and draft off ball LBs while our WR room looks like it does. Maybe they have plans post 6/1?
They've told OBJ don't sign anywhere b/c we'll come get him June 1. ...maybe....
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On 5/1/2024 at 5:38 PM, stuvian said:
There was less doom scrolling on the BBMB during the decade of fail. I can't believe the level of hopelessness here.
In the Clappy/Beane era we have been in the playoffs six out of seven seasons. We are way closer to the top than the middle or the bottom.
I had season tickets from 2006 to 2018. We had a grand total of one playoff game in that time and it was on the road at Jacksonville. So zero home playoff games in twelve years.
With the atmosphere on this board you'd think we were perennial losers like the Jets or Bears.
These are the golden years folks.
Remember during the Kelly years when Rich Stadium wouldn't sell out and local TV was blacked out?
I don't think that will happen again, but used to back then (stadium was 80k+ as well)
Fans get used to success and want more.
Think a lot are getting anxious about the plan to get us past the Chiefs and the divisional round. Mahomes and Burrow aren't going away anytime soon and either we learn to hit them in the mouth or we out score them. Right now, I can't tell what the plan is.
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Looked up Hamler's injury history. Man, this guy is the definition of injury-plagued.
Chronic hamstring strains - didn't even run at the combine or his pro day; two ACL tears on same knee; hip injury; and then was out all last year with a heart condition.
Poor guy.
Foolish if Beane is thinking anything other than a flyer
Even when healthy, he had problems with drops and isn't great at tracking the ball
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1 hour ago, Fan in San Diego said:
Gabe Davis was a non factor dropping the ball machine. Addition by subtraction. Keon is a stud pass catching machine. Kincaid is stud. Kahlil is a stud. We are fine. If Beane adds another good WR its gravy. I would cut Knox and get another pass catching TE. Diggs dropped the ball too much as well. His pass catch ratio was around 61%, that nis too low. Keons ratio is around 91 %.
Dude has yet to play a snap in the NFL, or catch balls from Allen.
Sorry, you're deluded.
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3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
He can play outside some, just not full time. He is a better outside WR than Shakir for example. But anyways Samuel isn't going to be a traditional WR in our offense, those are the exact words Beane used to decribe him. He's the plus plus version of McKenzie/Harty. And I really liked that signing, I think he gives us a reliable X-factor that we've never had in the Josh Allen era. I'm just not looking at him as more than what he is.
It's really hard to imagine us not adding an outside WR post-June 1
The Beane smokescreen about liking Shorter and Shavers (I couldn't even remember who he was), is just that, classic Beane white lie.
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17 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
Getting over the top will require the Bills defense to stop Mahomes at some point.
This really is a completely different topic though. Many believe WRs is how you beat Mahomes. I still believe it’s front 4 pressure making at least a couple plays late in games to stop Mahomes. The Bengals beat Mahomes because of the defense. The Bucs beat Mahomes because of the defense.
We got Von to try and apply pressure to beat Mahomes. It's just not that simple. He's too good.
This last try, it was Kelce catching all over us, Pacheco running all over us, and the D letting KC score 27. Hopefully the D will be more stout with less LB injuries this year. But it was also our inability to close it out in the clutch. Part of that, imho, was a lack of potency in the passing game. We couldn't get that critical TD when we needed it. Josh threw 39 times and only got 186 yds.
As much as Josh can still do it, we need to start to find alternatives to his playmaking with his legs. It makes up for, and even masks, other deficiencies. He was our leading rusher that game. How many times has he bailed out our lack of a real system or plan, with some crazy individual feat? He won't be able to keep up his whole career.
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33 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
Actually, what I care about is who's right come December. In September, Harmon might be right. After all, after the Jets game last year, the Bills came out absolutely smokin', and I don't expect that kind of start again. I think in December, you'll be right, because the young talent will be making an impact then.
Rookies and new players should be up to speed by December and reacting more naturally and playing with speed.
If injuries haven't hit us and our record isn't too bad, hopefully we can make a run.
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16 hours ago, Beast said:
Yeah, I mean how could they not be better. They’ll only have Milano and Bernard back on the field, a healthy secondary, and their two top receivers have contribute a whopping 3 catches for 21 yards and the other will have to be healthy enough to suit up.Such a tall task.
You think there won't be injuries by the time we get to the playoffs. Bernard worries me as a smaller guy who is always around the ball and plays aggressively. Milano and Daquan have injury histories. We're unproven at Safety and thin at CB.
We missed Davis against KC, but he was otherwise a consistent part of the team during the win streak. Diggs too, even if his production was low. Teams consistently doubled Diggs and put their top CB on Davis, opening up opportunities for other guys like Shakir. Diggs and Davis are gone, so we'll see how Ds react. Might be a blessing to not have a consistent #1 target. I think we'll double down on the run game and if Davis can produce immediately that should be good. Morse was not the best run blocker, so could we get better there? Plus consistently running behind 2 TEs.
I can't say the team is definitely better. There are some big question marks in many areas that we'll just have to see how it plays out.
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1 hour ago, Mailman said:
It wouldn't surprise me, at this point. McBeane just doesn't value the wide out spot like most modern teams. Same song and dance in Carolina.
That's the rub.
8 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:Hamler kind of reminds me a bit of John Brown. Brown was pretty much the same size (2 inches taller but played at the same weight) and had many injuries that caused him to either miss games or play through injury early in his career when with Arizona. Sometimes the smaller WRs take longer to get their body NFL ready so they add weight/muscle without sacrifice to their calling card...which is speed.
In any event it's not like Buffalo signed him to a large contract. Low risk with potential for a nice upside is never a bad thing.
Hope Hamler can kick the injury bug, but those injuries take a toll on productivity as well.
Smoke had a 1,000 yd season in his 2nd season. Was productive as a rookie as well. Then had a few nice seasons with the Bills
Hamler has done NOTHING so far.
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Young guys over vets, challenge them to grow and succeed, but they very well may fail.
2 scenarios:
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11-6: win the division again (not sure Miami got much better)
make the AFC Champ but lose to the Bengals
Von is back in form, Keon is productive, team struggles to adapt at first to new faces but then goes on a run
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8-9: miss the playoffs
Bills struggle out the gate. Hangover in leadership void. Returning guys like Milano are still getting up to speed. DB play lacking. Injuries.
Offense has no rhythm. Team is predictable and DCs flood the box.
3-6 and call for McD's head, but team comes together and goes on a mini-winning streak to give hope for future and save McD's job
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On 4/27/2024 at 4:43 PM, JakeFrommStateFarm said:
Shakir replaces diggs ?
people are seriously delusional
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18 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:
The game has changed a lot since Andre played. Andre now would have matched Diggs production especially with Allen. The bills were more balanced back then too I believe with Thurman.
yeah, as much as the Bills were the high-flying K-GUN, Kelly never threw for more than 4,000 yds in a season, only over 3500 once.
Was a different game
5 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:Agree with this.
Beane definitely sprinkles some "lies", along with truth.
Fairly certain, Beane will look to fill the WR4 role after June 1st. Potentially DE as well, I'm concerned we don't gave a DE4 with run stopping/some pass rush. Toohill/Solomon/Kingsley, run game is not a strong suit. Ogbah would be a fit, if price is right.
Back to WR, I'm comfortable with Hollins as WR5/ST and if we keep 6, let Hamler/Shorter/Shavers/UDFA compete.
WR4 has to be a boundary/down field option. We don't need a star, nor am I expecting that, but a quality depth option. MVS and Chark would fill that role. Coleman is a rookie and will need some rampup time...I'm not confident that Shakir or Samuel take more than 50% snaps on the outside, let alone stay healthy all year.
The thought of Hollins having to play significant snaps, due to injury/etc, is a depressing thought.
Beane isn't giving his hand away, but he will definitely have $s after June 1 for MVS/Chark type. Give MVS or Chark $6m on a 1 yr deal (but add a void yr to decrease 2024 cap to $3mish). Along with a $3-4m type deal for Ogbah, potentially add a void year to his as well. We will be in better cap position in 2025, so adding a $4-5m deferred dead cap won't break thr bank...especially compared to this yr.
Also interesting that we don't really have a mentor for Coleman.
There's no one on the roster that can help him learn the ropes as a #1 or outside, boundary WR. Tricks of the trade etc... Samuel and Shakir are slot guys.
Maybe they'll bring in OBJ for that role alone
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19 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:
Yeah but seemed like for every one Davis would catch, he'd drop 2 more and by year end even Diggs was dropping some. Give me WR who can consistently catch the ball 15 to 20 yards downfield and think the offense will be much better overall.
I was happy to move on from Davis to upgrade. The Diggs trade made me think they were really going to overhaul.
However, I'm less than excited with what they chose to do in the draft.
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1 hour ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:
In Gabe Davis rookie and 2nd year he was great at catching 20 yard sideline passes, then he seemed to have forgot how to catch the ball. Don't think you need the speed of Worthy for that, just someone with good hands which everything written about Coleman says he should excel there. Samuel can provide enough speed if/when needed.
As to the point of what is the philosophy, IMO what is should be is keep the chains moving which was something the Bills were good at prior to the last season and a half. Definitely don't feel the team is misaligned with Allen as don't think the extra speed helps moving the chains nearly as much as just simply catching the ball.
Gabe still did it some. He had a TD last year that was vintage deep sideline stuff. His height and good hands, made up for less than top speed and average route running. But most of that success was Allen fitting it into TIGHT windows. That is what he can do that other QBs just can't - hit deep sideline windows with lasers. It would be even more deadly with a WR with hands, routes, and speed - a true boundary WR.
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1 hour ago, Mat68 said:
I do not expect Samuel to take over that role. I think its likely he sees more volume than he has at any point in his career. I think the targets go Kincaid, Shakir, Samuel, Coleman and Cook. Coleman may move up that list but I think Kincaid and Shakir will be the early driving forces.
Everyone bringing up analytics with Coleman but want to ignore it when explaining the decisions made this offseason in the wr room. The most effective pass catchers in 23 for Buffalo were Kincaid, Shakir and Cook. What changed midway through the season? They moved targets away from Diggs, Davis and Knox to Shakir, Kincaid and Cook.
Coleman out of the box will take the Davis role and similar targets maybe a tick less but more efficient catch rate. They building off last year but upgrading the complimentary pieces.
It feels more like we're treading water, rather than improving. The offense improved a bit when we ran more under Brady and Kincaid and Shakir stepped up for sure, but it didn't change the end result in the playoffs. Now you take away two primary threats from before - Diggs and Davis - and Kincaid and Shakir will get more attention. Will Samuel and Coleman make up the difference? There will be no real outside threat and I imagine teams will quickly sniff that out and our Offense will stagnate due to the lack of a diverse attack. But if we can run it down peoples throats and then score TDs in the red zone at a high rate we'll be ok.
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all these guys are going to average like 4 yds/catch
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Targets are not just about force-feeding, it's also about getting open. In a multiple read offense, you'll get the ball and get catches if you get open.
Diggs got open, regularly, including against other team's top CBs. He regularly roasted Jalen Ramsey, JC Jackson, and other CBs.
Shakir, on the other hand, faced slot CBs, S and LBs.
Diggs problem is more attitude and increasingly age. But we still could have used him this year. No one on the team currently replaces his skill set and experience.
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33 minutes ago, Mat68 said:
The contract situation in Houston tells you all you need to know about how the league sees Diggs. In stead of giving him more guaranteed money they made it a year rental so he could chase money elsewhere.
True true, but his contract is also just not tenable for his age. Another crap contract by Beane.
He must be a total team cancer given how much we're eating in cap this year for NOT having him on the team.
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4 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:
Gunner I like most of what you post. But don’t sugar coat it. Diggs was pretty bad the second half of last season. He could not get open down the field. He was dropping passes and looked disinterested.
I think he is pretty much done. A lot of guys have their day. But he isn’t balling out til he is 35 like a Larry Fitzgerald Jerry Rice or Tony Gonzalez. He was excellent for awhile, but not nearly in that pantheon.
The Bills did great to dump him on Houston for a 2nd round pick.
I don't know what happened second half of last year to Diggs, but I don't put it on him alone. I think Brady's scheme and play calling and a lack of a real #2 were as much to blame. With Davis hitting FA, I would have liked to see Coleman added to pair WITH Diggs, not try and replace him. Now that would have been a WR room - Diggs, Keon, Samuel and Shakir! Could have given DCs fits.
But I think they probably did well to move on from Diggs. They just should have done more to address WR. Our WR room already needed an upgrade with Davis not producing consistently, but then when he left and then they also traded Diggs, more was needed.
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I don't think even Beane/McD are saying "absolutely". This is a roster in transition. It has some good raw talent now, but is missing a ton of proven vets with experience. Difference makers in this league, as another poster put it.
The vets we got rid of were casualties of a salary cap driven league. We will miss them, but we've done a pretty good job of filling in behind them.
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Douglas covers for White
Rapp/Bishop for Poyer
Not sure we have a real replacement for Hyde at center field. It's very hard to say we're better at S today.
Floyd is a loss, but hopefully Von is back closer to full strength
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Morse was a leader but we should be ok
Gabe Davis - serviceable #2 and boundary WR. Keon replaces him from a skill set/role closest.
Diggs - he still had 100+ catches, 1200 yds and 8TDs last year. I'm not buying the quit on the team schtick. Huge hole and no real replacement. Big shoes for Keon to try and fill as a #1WR. Samuel will help fill some of this role, but he's really a slot guy. More the 2nd slot in 3WR looks with Shakir and Keon.
RB - I do feel like we got better at RB with Davis. I've warmed up to that pick considerably.
I'm not so worried about the D. I never really am as McDermott consistently fields a competitive Defense. He's that high school football coach who can adjust to his talent with good scheme and coaching. As the HC, he also ensure the GM always invests top capital (such as the luxury of heavy Dline rotation)
But the Offense is still a huge work in progress. I hope Brady is up to this rehab. It will probably involve some growing pains.
I also don't feel like we got any better in coaching. McDermott has full control with his yes men now. We brought in no new ideas at DC and Brady got the job mostly b/c he runs the conservative, "complementary" offense that McDermott wants that keeps his fragile D off the field.
Nothing suggests to me that we've gotten better this year. I'll still root my ass off for all the guys and spend too much money on jerseys, merch and tickets. But I'm starting to lose patience.
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1 hour ago, nedboy7 said:
A good question would be why did Josh want Keon. Regardless they can sign a FA speedster to complete this WR room. I just don’t trust they will?
It was interesting that apparently he was texting him during the draft telling him he's the guy he wants.
Did they let Josh make the call?... I would imagine that Keon plays with passion and is there competing every play. Seems to be a character too. Probably good teammate and guy to have in the locker room. but not so good for the Xs and Os
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34 minutes ago, VW82 said:
The collective amnesia of last season is interesting. It feels like a lot of you processed the first half as "it was all Dorsey's fault" as appose to Josh having issues staying in the pocket and taking what the defense gave him.
The whole "maserati" thing flamed out as Josh repeatedly threw downfield into baits and traps that resulted in break ups, drive killers, and picks.
Brady came in and re-introduced the running game which included designed runs from Josh. We had Josh spreading it around with a focus on completions and keeping the chains moving. That's when our offense stopped being so one-dimensional and we became dangerous as a contender.
Now so many Bills fans want to go back to finding another "stud" so our "maserati" can be unleashed again. That isn't what's worked. That's not really who Josh is when he's at his best. That's not how we're going to take the next step to eventually contending for SBs.
It's a fair point. Josh was bad in a few of the early games, but Dorsey's scheme and play calling was more to blame. I don't know who said Maserati, or what that even means, but I think most people's point is that the short-stuff game that Brady introduced also was figured out by the playoffs and didn't really work. Josh's legs were lethal, but our inability to attack the defenses at multiple levels made us easier to defend. The idea is that moving forward we should have a plethora of options ways to attack, to keep defenses on their heels. Instead, we've doubled down on the middle of the field, <10yd pass attempts, adding a guy that profiles as a big slot to an O with a big slot already (Kincaid) and two smaller, quick slots (Samuel and Shakir).
I'm still waiting for someone who knows Xs and Os to explain it to me. I guess we'll just see how it plays out. Assume Brady has a plan for all these guys and the lack of a true boundary WR
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2 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:
If one of Josh's talents is throwing long passes, then this team is in trouble because from what I've seen that's on of the things he does worst at. 20 yard passes, maybe 25 to 30 on occasion he's good. But long passes he's almost always way long or way short.
When you actually calculate the difference between Worthy's time to run 40 yards down field and say Curtis Samuel it's less than 1 yard In other words when Worthy is down field 40 yards Samuel would be just beyond 39 yards. So do you actually believe that little difference is going to keep a defense honest or not?? If Samuel can't keep the defense honest, doubt someone as fast as Worthy would either. Add to that Allen is all over the map on deep throws.
I'm talking anything over 20 yds, but to the sidelines and attacking downfield soft spots in zones, not just go routes. Allen can hit those pretty regularly. His go routes have been a little more hit or miss.
From what I know of Samuel's game, its short stuff and quickness. He has the long speed, but perhaps his ability to beat the jam, or route running or to track and catch the ball keeps him as more of a LOS guy.
A fast 40 helps you gain that down the field separation on a go route, but even better when coupled with good route running and ball tracking.
There were a number of guys with that profile, including Worthy, that the Bills didn't seem to like. Or they didn't think they needed that skill set, which gets back to the OP's topic - what is the philosophy and is it misguided?
Deion Jones signed to 1-year deal per Schefter
in The Stadium Wall
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Well we missed out on both.
But good thing we got Chase Claypool!!