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8 hours ago, Mike in Syracuse said:
It’s not just inaccurate, it’s extremely lazy reporting!
He sourced a tweet of a video making fun of him on social media as evidence. Good god. Shoot me know, please.
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When fans put their fandom ahead of decent human behavior, it does lessen my like of a team. And the fans that do that are often the loudest and dumbest and sometimes the organization is dumb enough to listen. Case in point, from the world of basketball, years ago Vince Carter went to his college graduation the morning of a playoff game, and when the Toronto Raptors lost that game some fans roasted him for it--saying that it showed that he didn't care about basketball. He was traded for nothing soon after, and the team sucked for a long time because of it. Oh and he is still in the league today, and is one of the most respected veterans around. Dude should have never left, but got chased out because alot of people, including a portion of the fan base, were dumb. And I have barely followed the Raptors since then, for that reason.
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Ok. Found it. Its just buried.
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26 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
Wyoming is a D1 school. And you have no idea what his prospects are.
Let the kid work on things and when he's the best option let him play.
Corrected. You are right. Wyoming is D1.
My point is that there was alot of excitement surrounding Kizer 1 year ago after a couple of promising pre season performances. And now he's suddenly trash and was always trash. Or maybe he was just put in the wrong situation. People were calling Goff trash before Fisher was fired, as well. Too many fans are too impatient. Scheme and coaching still matter at the NFL level.
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Muscle memory is real. And if a QB has mechanical flaws they need to be taken seriously. There are cases where flaws were corrected(Romo)and there are cases where they were not corrected (Tebow). I don't think there has been a single case where a rookie QB started immediately, fixed his mechanics, and had suceess. Brady is the closest, I think, but his throwing improved over multiple seasons due to offseason work.
6 hours ago, Albany,n.y. said:Kizer was never very good & never will be. He was starting because he was on a team that was horrible and didn't have a viable NFL starting QB on the roster, so they threw him in knowing if he was really bad they would be able to draft another QB in a QB rich draft and if by some miracle, he vastly exceeded expectations, they would be set at QB. He didn't and was bad enough that he was jettisoned for a low pick without even considering keeping him and developing him further as a backup. Nobody ruined Kizer because there was nothing to ruin.
I hate to break it to you but Kizer and Allen are closer than you think. And alot of people who think Kizer is Garbage also think Allen is garbage.
I get the he's our guy so I'm going to back him no matter what attitude, but as prospects Allen and Kizer are similar.
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If you believe in sports pyschology, yes.You can damage a QB by throwing him in too soon.
And lets be honest here. This fanbase does not have a very good record of being patient when it comes to QB development.
Start Allen too early and people will be calling for his head too quickly. And in the age of social media that can really mess with a guy's head. It already happened to Kizer last year, and I hope that it doesn't happen again with Allen.
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8 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:
To be fair, since becoming a head coach a predominance of his work has come with three quarterbacks since 1999. McNabb, Vick and Alex Smith. I would argue outside of Smith, the other two players were always going to be good, with or without Reid.
Kolb never threw for more than 10 touchdowns in a season, and his other starting quarterback was Doug Pederson who threw for 7 touchdowns and 9 interceptions. Not arguing Reid is a good coach, one of my favorites actually, but there may have been some luck involved as well.
I don't think he's a good coach either.
Just that he knows QB's better than most. He has a good sense of a guys ceiling and basement, which is why he also traded away alot of guys that went on to suck elsewhere. Arguably, that is why he has held a job for so long when his game management is crap.
He did get a couple of 300 yard games out of Kolb and thats impressive given how much Kolb sucked overall. Our coaching staff couldn't get Kolb past a floor mat.
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1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
It's pretty well established that during the season, the back up QB's job is to run the scout team with the backups, to prepare the D for the coming week.
The backup gets few if any reps with the offensive starters.
Now this isn't my circus - I'm not the one trying to claim it's "splitting hairs" to think Mahomes didn't "beat out" Alex Smith. That's your claim, and you get the burden of proof.
Mahomes was clearly drafted to be the future. You don't trade up in the 1st for a guy you intend to park indefinitely on the bench. But given the above well-known fact of NFL life in-season, and given Alex Smith's performance last season, yeah, it's kind of a stretch to think Mahomes demonstrated superior performance to Smith in any apples-to-apples sense of how the term is usually used.
Beating someone out doesn't necessarily mean superior performance, either, if you want to go the sematics route. Lots of players win competitions for playing time without being superior (its what upside is all about). That is why the argument with regard to whether he did or didn't beat Smith out is splitting hairs in my opinion. "Beating someone out is a colloquial" term to begin with, and you can beat someone out for a position without a superior performance in sports. And there's no apples to apples sense when it comes to qb evaluation (they aren't apples they are qbs) and that was not what I was referring to when I used a term that is generally interpreted more fluidly.
If you want to debate use of a colloquial term your splitting hairs, in my opinion, in the sense that you are trying to make a very narrow distinction based on your interpretation of a term when others don't necessarily define the term in the same way, just so you can say that someone is wrong. Thats just creating noise to try and drown someone out.
And when the argument is that Allen is better than Mahomes, bickering over use of the term beat him out is pointless. Its just a distraction, noise that Doc is creating to make me look like I'm wrong, when there isn't alot of evidence that he can rely on to say that Allen is in fact better, at this point at least: he hasn't thown a pass in an exhibition game even.
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19 minutes ago, Doc said:
There's no splitting of hairs. Mahomes neither technically nor actually beat out Alex Smith. Reid had to ship-out Alex Smith for the sake of all involved, not dissimilar to what happened with him previously in SF.
As for Reid being "one of the best developers of QB's," no, that's not correct either. McNabb was the only QB he's ever actually had a hand in developing, but he was a 2nd overall pick so it's not like he was working with some no-talent nobody. But while McNabb was a good QB, he will never be a HOF'er. If you want to give him credit for Favre and the aforementioned Alex Smith, that dog won't hunt.
No. Your wrong. Reid's track record with Qb's is impressive; its been written about alot, and he's respected. He got good production out of Kolb, for crying out loud.
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19 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
Alex Smith in 2017 had a completion percentage of 67.5%, passed for >4000 yds at a clip of 8 ypa, and threw 26 TD and 5 INT for a TD/INT ratio of 5.2
Are you really wanting to argue that it's "splitting hairs" to say no, Mahomes did not "beat out" Alex Smith? In what conceivable way did he "beat out" the above?
KC hopes Mahomes is their QB of the future and that having sat for a year, he's ready to roll. KC was in salary cap trouble, something like $15M "over the cap".
By trading Smith, at one swoop they cleared the way for their hoped-for new QB of a vet who was not going to be happy to sit while a youngster inevitably struggles, prevented any locker room controversy, fixed their salary cap, and brought in a decent player at a position of need and a 3rd round pick.
It was a good decision by KC, and makes football sense across the board, but it in no way reflects Smith being "beaten out" by Mahomes in any legit sense of the word.
The question comes down to what went on behind the scenes and the evaluations that were being made. So you also can't prove that he didn't beat out Smith, either. There is no way to tell how well Mahomes was playing during closed practices. And there were rumors that he had surpassed Smith by the end of the year and should have started the playoff game. If they sat down, looked at the tape they had and decided that Mahomes was better bet going forward, then he beat out Alex Smith.
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26 minutes ago, Doc said:
Who did he beat out?
Are you going to say that he technically didnt beat out Alex Smith for the starting job because Smith was traded in the offseason? That Andy Reid, one of the best developers of QB's over the last three decades, just handed him the job to save money. Is that the argument you want to have? Is that the hair that you want to split?
You don't really think that one good practice puts Allen ahead of Mahomes- you're just being a contrarian for the sake of it, right?
Allen could pan out long term, that is true. But please explain to me how a 1st year rookie who had one good camp day is ahead of a second year starter, if you want to have that argument, and how your opinion is more informed than Andy Reids.
Sure Reid sucks at clock management, but few doubt his ability to evaluate quarterbacks at the NFL level because he has done it sucessfully repeatedly, and no one on the Bill's staff has.
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He's saw live action last year. And has already beat out a vet. Put down some good game tape.Kind of a no brainer.
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The comparison is fair, they are going to be compaired for their entire careers and if Allen busts and Rosen is legit it will probably be the end of Sean and Beane. I will stand by my preference for Rosen. Its looking like Mahomes is already alot better than both, but he's had a year with Andy Reid. I wanted him more than anyone, and there were quite a few on this board who don't like Allen who felt the same way.
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7 hours ago, Rob's House said:
It's easy if you try.
So in other words we can discount your opinion because no matter the situation you're automatically going to pick your pre-determined side.
If that side is opposite Jerry Jones then yes. If you want to agree with Jerry Jones than go for it.
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33 minutes ago, mead107 said:
Most companies do not share the wealth. Why should NFL be different. Or other sports teams.
How much money do you make doing curling?
GE did not guarantee my pay.
Different industries have different standards. The NFL is below industry standard. If your cool with massive wealth divides thats your perogative, but history shows that they aren't sustainable.
And your thinking is pretty typical and negative, in my opinion. My pay aint guaranteed so no one elses should be. Its siding with managment, really. I never side with management. I side with workers. Its how I roll. If a worker can get more money for his family, good for him.
Isn't Buffalo supposed to be a Blue Collar town?
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2 minutes ago, mead107 said:
Lot of other players are. Pittsburgh is playing hardball. He will get his.
Not when you consider league revenues and compare them to other sports.
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6 minutes ago, mead107 said:
Make the most you can. Just put out for it.
Production is important.
Production is never paid what its worth. Thats the problem. Case in point, Bell is one of the most productive players in the league. The incentive for management is to underpay high producers. Thats how business always works. Thats how owners make money.
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Any man has the right to provide the best that he can for his family. I believe that, its an opinion, for some reason its controversial.
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38 minutes ago, mead107 said:
They are all over paid for playing a game.
Jealous, much.
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There is too little organization and too much confusion and misinformation for this problem to be solved any time soon. Too many people think that players are paid well enough when a few are (starters) and most aren't (backups and practice squad).
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37 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:
What I want to see is Josh Allen come out tomorrow and nail those throws that he missed today......
ALL rookies need work.....will Josh turn weaknesses into strengths as time progresses
Yeah. We have to expect missed throws. And Jimbo missed alot in his heyday. Its consecutive misses that worry me, because its a muscle memory thing.
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21 minutes ago, Kmart128 said:
Not sure what that Cover 1 is talking about? It seemed like Allen was having the best day of the three QBs before the end of practice.
Forgive me if I'm jumping the gun as I want Allen to succeed just as much as the next guy, but I get the sense that disputes like this are going to be the story of his career. Makes some impressive throws, misses some easy throws. Argue. Repeat.
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8 hours ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:
I somewhat agree with this. Having the tools is arguable. He had a lot of work to do on his mechanics IMO, especially with those short throws as you mentioned. Too often he would throw bullets on 5 yard passes. But his throwing motion in general was odd. He seemed to "shoot" his passes, almost like when playing darts.
His success as a passer on first downs often came out of play-action, an area where he was pretty good IMO, so long as the play design and execution were a match to what the defense did, and typically on passes that were deeper over the middle of the field. Sideline passes were dreadful more often than not.
One thing that is for sure is that his coaching was not very good, not just from a play calling POV, but also in the form of a staff that can properly develop a QB. He really wasn't put into a good position for success in several ways, even if he wasn't destined to become a good NFL QB anyways. The staff didn't do a good job of masking deficiencies at all really. He was considered very raw coming out, but with his measurables could be molded. Sitting and learning, and working on mechanics should have been the approach, but unfortunately a rubber mat thwarted that. But even still, he wasn't going to be very good, so it's kind of moot. His depression from being benched just goes to show that he didn't have what it takes at the position, as others have mentioned. It should have fueled him.
Yes, he was good on play action. That was true. I think the problem with some of these young guys is that they are too used to being the best athlete on their teams, and can't handle it when they suddenly are not.
E.J would have been the best athlete in any given sport that he played growing up, so he wouldn't really have to work too hard to succeed. The NFL is very different. Guys are playing for their livelihood not for fun.
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54 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:
They handled him poorly. No question about it.
I still don't think he would have ever made it or will make it. But they handled the whole thing poorly.
IMHO the problem wasn't that they benched him but that they started him in the first place. He wasn't ready. Should've developed him and worked (and worked and worked) on his mechanics and fundamentals. He was a smart guy and a hard worker. But with problems in his mechanics. Sit guys like that and keep them working on those issues till they're deep in muscle memory.
Looks now like he's never going to be starter-caliber, but there's a small chance that with good development he might've.
I will back the muscle memory assertion. And its my biggest worry with Allen. Deep muscle memory requires alot of repetition, and its why mechanic problems can be difficult to diagnose and hard to fix permanently. No one complained about E.J's mechanics before the draft, yet some will claim that he should never have been drafted because of mechanical flaws. Brian Billick has a great take on this and why it ruined his coaching career in the case of Kyle Boller, in that Bollers mechanics would fall apart when he got nervous, and they had no way of knowing that until it was too late because his mexhanics were fine when he was playing well.
I'm skeptical with regard to the idea that E.J was said to have mechanical issues before he was drafted, as well. There might have been issues, but you can't always spot these things on tape. You need a specialist who can watch a guy, close up, and that's not always possible in a game situation. EJ started talking about flaws that he had to correct well after he was drafted, and by then it was too late.
Bills trade with Browns for Corey Coleman
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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With his injury history and limited catch radius, I am tempering my expectations. He will probably be a useful decoy.
Beane clearly favors measurables over stats. And that worries me. The team is big, tall, and fast. Cool. But if we can't complete passes, none of that will matter.