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1 hour ago, WeckMonster said:
what I gather from the rule below is that once you’re out, no matter how you got there, you can’t catch it… no matter if you’ve re-established.
I don’t understand how it’s not an illegal contact penalty on the DB for shoving the WR out of bounds. Shouldn’t every DB do that in short fields?
ARTICLE 6. INELIGIBLE RECEIVERS.
All offensive players other than those identified in Article 5 above are ineligible to catch a legal or illegal forward pass thrown from behind the line of scrimmage, including:
(a) Players who are not on either end of their line or at least one yard behind it when the ball is snapped;
(b) Players who fail to notify the Referee of being eligible as required by Article 5;
(c) An eligible receiver who has been out of bounds prior to or during a pass, either by his own volition or by being legally forced out, even if he has reestablished himself inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands;
This post is exactly right. No player is allowed to touch the ball after going out of bounds. There's no such thing as "re-establishing" for a player who is the first to touch the ball (only applies to players who don't touch the ball). However, the rule was not applied correctly since he was illegally pushed out of bounds.
If they're going to call illegal touching, they also have to call illegal contact as the reason he was out of bounds in the first place. But, if they actually called illegal contact then the illegal touching rule wouldn't apply since he was illegally forced out and the catch would have stood.
So overall, a complete screw job from every angle of the rule. Pretty standard.
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9 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:
Is it me or were they continuously shorting the Bills on the spot of the ball ? The biggest one that comes to mind is when Josh slid directly on top of the marker and the referees decide to spot the ball a full yard behind it.
There was another really bad one in the Red Zone as well. I feel like this is becoming a trend since Kansas City last year. Having headquarters in New York quickly change the spot seems like an easy fix.
In a game of INCHES, I feel like the NFL should put more emphasis on this problem.
Every single game. Especially against good opponents.
You could make an entire football field out of the length of short spots we get throughout a season. Or in one game against KC.
2 hours ago, MJS said:"... or begins to simulate touching the ground."
What the heck does that mean, haha?
I swear they have called QBs down as soon as they begin the slide, before any body part touches the ground. But that is usually a feet first slide, so I don't know if that makes a difference. Lots of QBs are short of the line to gain because they start their slide before the marker, just like what happened with Josh Allen.
What the rule really says is that if a player fakes a slide, the ball is spotted where he began to fake it.
They also apply that to real slides, which is not what the rule says at all but they just make ***** up as it suits them.
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1 hour ago, transplantbillsfan said:
He was a moron and should be banned, but I'd like to see some punishment for Lamar. I don't think that'll happen, but his actions were also unacceptable.
Yep. Lamar did the same thing the kid did, and he's an adult professional athlete. And his teammates were the ones who instigated the situation.
Ban both from all NFL stadiums 😁
No but really, all those Ravens players deserve fines and Lamar should probably get a one game suspension.
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18 hours ago, MJS said:
Both were in the wrong, but why were they that close to the fans anyway? They were doing a victory lap right next to the stands of the opposing team? That's not normal.
Exactly. They were provoking the fans purposely. That still doesn't give any fan the right to put hands on the players, but the Ravens players created this situation intentionally.
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3 minutes ago, Simon said:
Both coordinators got their asses handed to them for most of the game, but I thought McDermott did a credible job of keeping them in it.
I guess that all depends how much he's influencing play calling.
But three failed two point conversions and no challenge on an obvious first down don't look good either.
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The players pulled this win out of the chasm that the coaches created. Allen especially but Oliver was the defensive player of the game. Keon and Palmer with amazingly clutch plays (I wonder if Keon would have gone down on his own if he hadn't gotten tripped up? Haha). And of course Shakir was just perfect all game.
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"Glad we finally fired McDermott."
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4 minutes ago, Maine-iac said:
Imagine your pass rush not having to stop on the way to the QB because your DT's are getting thrown out of the club.
Eagles took a 24 to nothing lead at the half and the Chiefs only ran 17 plays so if Jordan Davis only played 14 plays I'm not surprised. Chiefs RB's only had 7 carries all game. Wonder why they don't run the ball vs the Eagles but have 35 carries (24 by RB's) vs us?
Yup. If anyone came away from that game thinking anything other than "pressure with 4," they missed the point completely. It's a cheat code.
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7 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:
Jordan Davis played 14 snaps in the super bowl, and is a 2 down run defender.
Who also had a sack and multiple pressures. The Chiefs only had 17 snaps by halftime and the game was over.
Imagine a team having a run stuffer who can also collapse the pocket? What a nightmare!
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9 hours ago, Low Positive said:
The reason the Eagles got to Mahomes is that they have a great secondary that forced him to hold the ball for another second. No defensive line, no matter how great, gets home in less than 2 seconds.
It's obviously both. But the key is that the Eagles get pressure with 4 linemen (yes, in two seconds) and they can keep all of their back 7 in coverage and force him to make a throw before he can think or before his receivers get open.
We had a great secondary last year. It didn't matter against good QBs because they stood in the pocket for 6 seconds while our defensive line was out to lunch.
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4 hours ago, BigdaddyinOrlando said:
Looks like maybe taking a page out of Eagles playbook, get faster on the back end and get some powerful explosive players on the front lines. I’m ok w it!
The Eagles have a 340 pound monster at DT. That's why they can wreck Mahomes without blitzing and we can't even get within spitting distance if we send the entire front 7.
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1 minute ago, OldNMBillsFan said:
LOL, no I was already on my second bucket.
Holy cow. Half asleep and half buzzed. No wonder you can't remember anything.
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Just now, 90sBills said:
If you really believe this I suggest stop watching football. It’ll be better for your mental health.
For me… if Kincaid made that catch we’d win.
If Kincaid made that catch they'd just call us for holding on the next play.
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5 minutes ago, OldNMBillsFan said:
No, I was having deep flashbacks of old JA
Those are called dreams, old fan. They happen when you fall asleep after the first drive.
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1 minute ago, 90sBills said:
Still had a shot to win at the end. Just couldn’t do it…this time.But they didn't have a shot. That's the point. They did it, and it was just taken away. If they had done it again, it would have been taken away again.
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2 minutes ago, TrentEdwardsCheckDownOn4th said:
I am seriously considering not watching very many games if any next year. I mean what's the point? It just feels so scripted now . We've lost 4x in a row to them, what makes anyone think a 5th time would be any different? You could literally give the bills saquon and Puka and I still wouldn't feel confident .
If there's no hope why continue ?
Yeah I'm thinking the same. Way too much time and effort for a predetermined outcome.
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2 minutes ago, 90sBills said:
That’s an opinion that I didn’t share. We’re better in the Oline and running attack. KC has better DLine and receivers. Besides, the better teams don’t always win. Especially in the playoffs.I thought the refs did a decent job aside from a couple spotting issues.
Spotting "issues" like turning a game winning drive into a turnover on downs? Just small things like that?
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Just now, OldNMBillsFan said:
He looked like 2019 JA all game.
Sorry, old fan, you must have fallen asleep. Just trust those of us that actually watched the game.
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2 minutes ago, OldNMBillsFan said:
Obviously, you didn't watch the first quarter.
JA is winless!!!
The first drive he had two bad throws that could have been picked. After that he was pretty much lights out.
I think you're counting one against him where he knew he had a free play on a holding call.
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4 minutes ago, Jimmy Harris 69 said:
The nfl is three steps from pro wrestling——face it.
There were a lot of plays where they spotted us about three steps too short.
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9 minutes ago, 90sBills said:
They do what’s necessary to win. That’s why I was more nervous about this game than the Baltimore game. Lamar and Mahomes are such different quarterbacks. Couldn’t understand why so many fans on here predicted an easy win in the pregame thread all week.Because we're clearly better than the Chiefs. We were not clearly better than the Ravens. Unfortunately for all of us, no one is better than the referees.
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Just now, OldNMBillsFan said:
JA lost this game. He was not at his best, anyone who says different did not watch the game or are delusional. The offense had the ball ,down by 3 ...3:33 left with 3-time outs and he couldn't get it done. Ohhh, and cook only average 6.5 yards a carry, Thats 19,5 yards per 3 carries. Josh needs to be better.
He threw a perfect 20 yard pass to Kincaid with 2 rushers in his face within 1 second of the snap. He also got blasted after the throw, which the refs threw a flag on and then picked up because he's not Mahomes.
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My only problem with McDermott is that he hasn't figured out how to work the officials.
Belichick had the NFL in his pocket, now Reid has the NFL in his pocket. There are politics involved that McDermott is oblivious to. He thinks he's playing a fair game.
Although, it might be well above his pay grade for such a thing.
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Officiating. It's really that simple, folks.
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Eligible Receivers - 2pt Coleman Non-Catch
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That's what I thought, but either the rule was changed at some point or I was wrong the whole time. As far as I can tell, that's only a rule through college.
In the NFL rules, you can't touch it even if you re-establish yourself in bounds.
The part they messed up is that this only applies if you go out of bounds on your own or are legally forced out (like if the Ravens defender had just stood in the way and Keon went out of bounds while going around him). But he was clearly pushed out so it should have been illegal contact or at least voided the illegal touching penalty.