jrober38

Trump can't be charged while he's President unless Congress impeaches him. Impeachment is very unpopular in the polls, which is why I think they'll wait until he's no longer President to go after him (I don't agree with this at all, just what I think they'll do).

Feel free to enlighten me then.

Then why haven't they been charged? Trump said it himself - people pay for political dirt all the time, which is true. For whatever reason, if you seek out the dirt, it's legal , but if a foreign government brings you something on their own, it's illegal.

I've said numerous times in this thread there was no collusion. I agree it was a sham as well. Ultimately it was a political hit job. As the law is written, what Clinton did is legal. They hired an intermediary to collect dirt, and that guy went out and got his dirt, although it seems almost all of it was made up out of thin air. You seem to be woefully uninformed about how the law works.

Clinton never conspired with the Russian government. They hired foreign agents to collect dirt on an opponent, which is legal. Trump's team was offered dirt on an opponent by a foreign agent, and should have told the FBI. I don't get what the difference is, but apparently there is one in the eyes of the law. For the record, I think what both sides did was wrong and unethical.

His job was to establish if the Russians interfered with the election, and to determine if the Trump campaign conspired with them along the way. In investigating those things, they established that Russia did interfere, and during the process it seems as though Trump attempted to obstruct justice multiple times, including a couple attempts at witness tampering.

The only way to get rid of a President is to impeach them. That's literally the law.

Correct. At that point it would still be on Congress to impeach him. The law doesn't change just because of the charge. Getting rid of a President is Congress' job.

Right. But that's not Mueller's job. This isn't complicated.

Why would the law change just do to the severity of the charge? The law is the law. Mueller has been incredibly clear. They cannot say Trump committed crimes, because they cannot indict him while he's President.

No. As he's said numerous times, he's unwilling to say BECAUSE you cannot indict a sitting President.

People who work in offices where they don't get to watch cable news all day.

Well it's what he's said. Mueller has said multiple times Trump hasn't been exonerated. He's said multiple times that if Trump didn't commit any crimes, he'd have said so. I don't know too many newspapers who publish mid day.

What? Mueller has said numerous times that Trump has not been exonerated.

I disagree. Most Americans aren't watching. They'll just see the headlines. Tomorrow expect to see a bunch of newspapers with the front page headline along the lines of, "Trump was not exonerated".

Agreed. None of them offended the left as badly though. The AOC extreme wing of the party won't stop until he's behind bars.

They're going to go after him for all this stuff when he's done as POTUS. The left is too emotional, and they'll want revenge for the slights they think they've faced under the Trump administration. The far left won't be satisfied until Trump is behind bars.

I do realize that, and I think it's wrong.

I've already said I think this is what should and shouldn't happen with you. I agree they should impeach if that's what they want, and that the shouldn't go after him once he's out of politics. However it doesn't seem to be what Democrat Leadership wants. Impeachment is very unpopular among Americans, and it seems as though if anything does happen it will be after Trump is out of office.

I thought we're supposed to assume people are innocent until proven guilty?

But he can be charged for it once he's out of the White House. And there is evidence. The question would become if a prosecutor can convince a jury that it happened, based off written evidence and testimony from witnesses.

He clearly stated in the report that Trump may have obstructed justice around 12 times, that he can't indict a sitting President, and that if they felt Trump didn't commit any crimes they'd have said so.

Doubtful. If it was over, they wouldn't be interviewing Mueller right now. Everything he's saying about obstruction was in the report. If I was Trump I'd be very worried. Mueller has said numerous times today that Trump can be charged once he's out of office.

Mueller can't be anymore clear that he thinks Trump obstructed justice. It will be very interesting to see what happens once he's out of office.

OK good. I agree that the media pushed something that wasn't there, but it would be nice to know that the federal government is actively taking steps to make sure a foreign power can't interfere in the future. How many of those times was he 75 years old?