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Everyone got a lot of lessons learned from what happened in NYS. Cuomo made bad decisions. Others learned from them (in some places...masks have been a loooooooong lesson to teach.). There was not much criticism here about Cumo's decisions in the moment he was making them. Just saying. Anyone can Monday morning QB.

Cuomo's challenge was threefold: (1) No place is like NYC in all of America, (2) We sucked at treatment, and (3) We sucked at prevention. Every other state should do better than NY. We could have all done much, much better, but we didn't take prevention seriously and now just are watching it spread.

Once we have a vaccine, it will not be widely available so that is just talk. HCWS, at risk, older folks, then probably open for all. It'll take a couple years before it's out there for anyone would be my guess. And it doesn't matter because tons of people--most posters here at PPP--won't bother taking it.

Florida % pos: 16% Deaths 173 Another 10K cases Stablizing on case counts, maybe. If it's stabilizing, it's stabilizing at a painful place and hard to know where deaths will stabilize--they've only been rising.

We've discussed heterogenous reactions to Covid here before. Here's more https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-tricky-math-of-covid-19-herd-immunity-20200630/

So what you're saying is that defeating the virus comes down to eating more kale and living the Robb Wolf diet? You seem a little unhinged brother.

The increased deaths have been noted in a few places. Uphill battle trying to convince people here.

Holy spin cycle. The administration is really trying some new tactics. Trump was the voice of moderation and reason and the governors messed up the response! I'm sure DeSantis and Abbott like this support.

Norway, with 6 positive cases today? And no deaths? I'd say that "current epidemiological situation" is a bit different than ours, don't you think? When we get down to 6, or the per capita equivalent around 180 cases per day here, the CDC won't be recommending masks either. Until then, let's do what almost every other country that has lowered their counts has done and mask up. Or not. That's a different path: I understand that you mask up, and think there is "some" value in doing so(!), so most of my snark is directed at others, although Norway is the wrong country to bring up for a lot of reasons.

Uh no. I judged it based on the studies he showed conclusions of in the video actually. He screenshot some of them so you cloud see bits. It seems like all he showed were the publicly available portions (nice research—a real deep dive!!) but they were clear enough. The cloth mask You wear is not for your protection. How many times do you think people have to say that before people like you get it? The credible studies you can “google” (I can also google proof that Trump is a lizard person) conclude that cloth masks don’t protect HCWs from unmasked sick people. Shocker. That’s not what cloth masks are being advocated for. Cloth masks protect others from you. That’s why you wear them. And if you’re a HCW like my wife, you wear The N95. And guess what, HCWs—even those treating Cv19–are staying largely free of Covid-19 these days. Maybe because...wait for it...masks work pretty well?

Awesome. The two “studies” quoted in some random video made for an agenda-Ed audience were regarding HCWs using cloth masks in a hospital setting and whether they protect the wearer from patients who are sick. The idiocy of this as a comparison to what every expert is advocating and way more studies confirm is astounding. But there you go. The anti-science crowd is firmly set in its ways and as I said, there’s and anti-mask majority(?) or at least plurality here.

There are published accuracy numbers out there, including by the company. Good luck! If you’re sick though, get the real test. Don’t mess around.

Maybe, but I've been to Japan a few times and despite stereotypes to the contrary, masks are the minority (pre-Covid times). You may underestimate the human psyche to get over something like this. I don't plan on wearing a mask once the counts drop low, that's for sure. I hate them. @123719bwiqrb : No amount of scientists, articles, etc can move the needle with B-gal. She's not alone.

Uhh, what? I have been tested too, three times now. It's important to know what test you're getting and how accurate it is, especially with the rapid tests. Being informed is better than walking around ill-informed, and because you're out there interacting with many people, you should be as informed as you can be. If you can't get that info, go get a better test. I'd say for anyone sick, or planning on being around at risk people (my issue), that is imperative.

You should know your data exactly because it's your life. The right-leaning media has been all over the inaccuracy of the short-turnaround tests.

It's my hope that they have finally come around, but I doubt it. Who here thinks masks are stupid? Any of you care to re-affirm earlier positions? I won't name you out of the courtesy to your positions, which may have evolved like Trump's. Do you know which test? The rapid ones have wide variability in accuracy.

As an aside, this woman's handle is an amusing compound person. This will offend the anti-mask brigade. You guys may need to skip this.

Related: Andrew Cuomo’s Coronavirus Response Has Been a Failure: The media’s fawning interviews obscure the New York governor’s record. All the talk of Texas, Arizona, and Florida is just covering fire for a Democrat grandee who’s screwed the pooch. Kind of a dumb point. NY and NJ were first. The death toll was going to be highest wherever got hit hard first. And NJ's deaths were all NY Metro counties, so that's the most populous area of America, totally unique in our entire country. CA has a similarly low death rate and it's being hit at about the same time as FL/TX. So far, deaths are only increasing in places that never got hit. We can all hope that the high deaths don't return to anyplace that had big peaks before. *** In other news, current hospitalizations are just about to break their previous record.

All states. Tuesday is almost always the high day (not always but usually). It's super clear which day is Tuesday on this--the jump after Sunday and Monday is one of the only nearly 100$% predictable patterns. Blame the unions for the weekends off.

If you could track the number of people who spend more than 3 weeks in a hospital by state, I'd be all for seeing that too. But you can't. So we follow the numbers we can track. Given how many cases are asymptomatic or low symptom, case tracking is only a rough indicator of future deaths.

This is what happens when old failing guys are in the big seat. Biden will make the same kind of mistakes. Trump gritted his teeth hard today and tried to play grown-up. Good luck with the image remake in July.

An off day for him is a good day for us. On the numbers, we will break 1000 deaths today assuming CA reports more later like they usually do. Looking at the list of top states, almost all did not get the initial rush.

Sundays and Mondays are always the lowest. Monday is not a catchup day.