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    House Money: Why Beane will trade up & you should be fine with it

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted · Edited by Irv

    22 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

    The draft capital we'll give up is house money, even if it's all the way up to the Giants' #2 pick.

     

    (Obviously all of this is merely opinion :flirt: ... I apologize for adding one more thread to a seemingly inundated and frustrated board)

     

     

    Our #12 pick was the result of swapping 1sts and trading away a player who may have played well for this team in years past but almost never saw the field (did he ever?) in 2017, our first playoff year in 17 years as a rookie filled in capably for the year and will only get better.

     

    Our #22 pick was from KC last year in our trade down in the 1st where we acquired a guy in Tre White who probably should have been in the pro bowl conversation if not the pro bowl itself.

     

    One of our 2nd rounders was acquired trading away a talented but oft-injured WR who then wasn't even resigned by the same team who traded for him. And based on Sammy's new salary with KC, he wouldn't be with the Bills even if McDermott exercised his 5th year rookie option.

     

    One of our 3rd rounders... the 1st one in the 3rd round, was acquired by trading away a QB that there was absolutely no long term plan on and filled in his slot with a QB who is at least capable of competing for the starting QB job at less than 1/3rd the cost of the guy we just traded away.

     

     

    We take those 4 picks, all "house money," and trade them all to the Giants for the #2 pick to grab Rosen/Darnold/Mayfield (please GOD not Allen!!!) and Beane still has all of Buffalo's original picks with a pick in all the remaining rounds other than the 7th.

     

     

    And before you say that cost isn't realistic, if you take a look at the Jimmy Johnson draft chart, I think you'll find different:

     

    #12 = 1200 points 

    #22 = 780 points 

    #53 = 370 points 

    #65 = 265 points 

     

    Grand total = 2615 points 

     

    #2 pick = 2600 points

     

    So we're giving away picks Beane has been shrewdly acquiring, not picks we were already going to naturally possess. Now, perhaps it's going to take one more pick like a 2nd rounders next year to sweeten the pot a little, but maybe not. 

     

    And that's in trading up to #2, which I believe is the highest we're going. Imagine if we wait until draft day and see a guy we want fall to #4 with the Browns or #6 with the Colts... it'll cost less and we'll still get our QB.

     

    I'm a little baffled that some are complaining about the idea of giving up draft picks, even if it ensures McBeane can get "their guy." 

     

    I view this as the most important draft we've seen since maybe 1983 because we know with almost 100% certainty that the intent is to draft the guy who's going to be our QB for the next 10-15+ years.

     

    We can do that in a very strong QB draft class... and we can do it with house money :thumbsup:

     

    Either it was you or some other dude who stole your idea called Shope and Bulldog today.  Great points.  I think the Giants will draft a QB. I don't know why a lot of folks assume they will stick with almost 40 year old Eli much longer.  

    ESPN's NFL Insiders: Bills Have the Most Glaring Hole of Any Team in the NFL

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    2 hours ago, BananaB said:

     

    Everybody and their dog thought we were tanking last year. I got better things to do with my time then search up old articles with media opinions.... That’s all they are, opinions. Until our coaches do their job and the players take the field no one persons word is really better then the others... I’m happy to give McCarron a shot instead of paying big bucks for a guy who only has 1 year of success. 

    Bradford is made of glass. No one 

    was begging asking Keemun to start last year just like Nick Foles. They were considered backups, just like a lot people got McCarron pegged to be. 

     

    This is a good post.  I never looked at it that way.  

    ESPN's NFL Insiders: Bills Have the Most Glaring Hole of Any Team in the NFL

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    4 hours ago, FearLess Price said:

    No sht. This is why when people argue thst we arent trading up for a QB i kinda just laugh.

     

    If we wanted Allen we wouldnt have let Tyrod walk.

     

    So that saves us.

     

    Chances are we trade up to 2 and take Darnold or Rosen.

     

    Should we have to stay at 12 than we move up to spots 4-7 its prob Mayfield.

     

    I don't get how many think that the #2 pick is available if we give up the farm.  Eli isn't getting any younger.  Who's to say Giants don't go QB. I also am wondering aloud why the Browns did not go after McCarron instead of Taylor.  What changed from last year to this year? 

    Ten Reasons to Not Get QB Drunk in the Draft

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted · Edited by Irv

    Do we really want to do this?  Look how that turned out!

     

     

    Griffin was widely projected to be the No. 2 pick of the draft, but the St. Louis Rams—the team originally holding the pick—had already selected Sam Bradford to be their long-term starting quarterback with the No. 1 overall pick in the 2010 NFL Draft. Wanting to stick with Bradford, the Rams decided to deal the pick prior to the draft, with the Cleveland Browns and Washington Redskins perceived as the most interested bidders. After a brief bidding process, the Redskins acquired the pick by giving the Rams four high-value draft picks over three years: their first-round picks in 2012 (No.6 overall), 2013 (No.22 overall), and 2014 (No.2 overall), as well as their second-round pick (No.39 overall) in 2012

     

     

    Ten Reasons to Not Get QB Drunk in the Draft

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    14 minutes ago, davspo said:

    The point is that you have to approach this with reason.  You can't just trade away the future for someone who may, or may not work out.  It is not an exact science.  

     

    We should have gone after Cousins rather than trade away the farm for one of these guys who could bust.  It's not like any of these guys is Andrew Luck or Peyton Manning.  

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