gatorbait
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Thanks for the solid response. I personally don't think Obamacare is going to fail and we are going to be stuck with it. I'm with you on entitlements, they encourage dependence and laziness. Social programs and entitlements should only be kept for the extremely poor, disabled or elderly. We have to get the leeches off of the system to encourage hard work and self dependence again.I don't view it as taking anything away, but rather as ceasing to provide it, but I doubt that does much to alleviate your concerns.
Part of the problem with entitlements is people become dependent on them and societal institutions adapt to their existence. As such it's not as easy as just eliminating them with the stroke of a pen. That's why I'd do it gradually.
I attribute the rapid growth in health care costs over the last few decades to the intrusion of the Federal government into the market. If we followed my plan the cost of basic medical services would plummet.
There would be some painful adjustments along the way, and it's likely that a small minority of people may be slightly worse off as a result, but in the long run it would be a great benefit to the overwhelming majority of people, both wrt access to affordable healthcare and economic prosperity.
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Respectfully, would taking health insurance from 20 million people be the most humane approach? What would address the fact that healthcare costs and premiums have been rising for decades?
I absolutely agree that the current way is unsustainable, and the people who experienced 200% premium hikes to make up for the newly insured is unfair to them.
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Agreed. Is it better for the Repubs to suck it up and work with the Dems to fix it? Or should they let it crash and burn? I wanna know what you guys think they should do from here.That's the problem. The plane's about to crash into the mountain and we're more concerned with who's sitting in the pilot's seat than with changing course.
It seems as if the current administration isn't going to draft a new bill anytime soon.
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Only one or two? Soft azz queefcake. Notice how multiple people are calling you out on your stupidity?You still can't comprehend what I have posted here. Damn, that board over there must have been a real schithole with the likes of you on it. Don't bother responding, I'm on the way out the door for food and a Guinness or two. You can continue to be a kitty and drink your Miller Lite.
And for the record I have never been to BBMB in my life. My Pops told me this was the best site a long time ago
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I've lurked on this website since I was 18 years old, over 11 years ago. I used to stick to only football, now I'm getting interested in politics. That spells bad news for you slim peeper, because it's pretty easy to make you look like a !@#$ing dumbass.
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Are you really that much of a partisan hack? It was the Republicans who couldn't agree on this today, you moron. I want you to come back here and apologize when Trump and his cronies start to work with the Dems to fix Obamacare. The ACA was a bad piece of legislation, and it was forced through. No one is arguing that. But what have we heard the past seven years? Replace and repeal. You, Trump, and Paul Ryan are a joke.Are you really this dense? I just told you what Trump should have done to force the Dems hand to go along with this bill.
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That must be why the Democrats are celebrating this as a win today. Trump said he was going to repeal Obamacare and replace it simultaneously with something better, period. Blaming this on the Democrats is one of the stupidest !@#$ing things I've ever read on this site.This is the worst outcome for the Dems. They will be saddled with the ACA as it dies away while being responsible for no new healthcare plan. Trump should have been openly and loudly courting the Dems throughout this process. If he had, it might have passed. Now we have no new plan and the R's were 85% in favor of it while the Dems had zero backing for it. Shame on you Dems.
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Trump just met with the house-freedom caucus and as of right now, most, if not all of them are not on board. Without a lot of their votes, I don't see how the bill passes later today.
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Yeah, maybe you need some more kitty. You sound like a miserable !@#$ pretending to be an internet tough guy. Slim peeper!Lighten up? I basically called you a kitty for drinking lite beer and offered you a Guinness on me and you tell me to lighten up? Here, have a Guinness lite on me, you assmudgeon lite. Also Shirley, don't call me Francis, I'm no saint.
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No F'in way, McDermott has made it a point to bring in leaders and high character guys. There are other backs to take, not this bum.
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If we pick up a legit number 2 in the draft to go along with Sammy, I think we have enough 3rd, 4th and 5th receivers to have a decent WR squad going into the year.
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Haha okay slim reaper you are pathetic. Lighten up FrancisBTW, we don't drink lite beer here---it's considered too pussified. Have a Guinness on me instead.
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Damnit Tom! Now I'm sucked right back into this mess. Tell us more hahaSome of us actually do have some.
Not me...but I know who does.
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I wish we could put this **** on the back burner until it is decided and over with. Right now there is nothing but pure speculation from both sides, it's getting !@#$ing ridiculous. None of us are reading classified info or have inside sources. We are simply pissing in the wind by claiming they colluded or didn't collude. We don't know **** at this point in time. 7 Miller lites in and I almost threw the remote at Don Lemon's powdered up face for continuously trying to make news out of nothing and hype up dems by using ifs, possiblys and maybes. The left is clowning them self by prematurely freaking out, and the right looks guilty for adamantly denying every claim.
I apologize, I didn't use the word correctly. Touché.Do you know what "bipartisan means?
I should of said they are both partisan hacks.
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Yawn..... Intelligence committees should never put their country before their party right?Damn those two, making it bipartisan is like really, really low.
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The headlines coming from the two chairman are way too bipartisan right now for me to care or believe either of them. I will withhold judgement for a month or two until this is over. Please for the love of god let this end quickly so we can get to the important issues.Let's hope Schiff shows that evidence immediately.
The current meltdown is getting a little stale, and the best shock to the system would be watching the left go batschitt crazy when they realize they're about to make a Christian the next POTUS.
Haha same here. This is getting ridiculous.Schiff has been seeing FSB agents under every bed in America for the past year and a half. He's got skin in the game. He's so deep in love with the idea of Russia being the enemy he has proudly advocated for the US starting a preemptive war against them in Syria. He raised money on that platform.
Until he backs his claims up with evidence, I'll remain unimpressed with anything that comes out of his mouth.
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Logic already said it, but Schiff is claiming there is more than just circumstantial evidence of collusion. Him and Nunes aren't even close to being on the same page. The drip drip continues.
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Agree to disagree and I guess we will see in the long run. Have a good one GG, I'm heading to the golf course and am backing out of this convo.There already is a basic level of universal care, because hospitals do not turn patients down. It's not extremely efficient, but is still better than a nationalized health service that will result in worse service for the vast majority of the population.
The move to a single payer isn't as inevitable as you think. As more of the worlds' nationalized healthcare plans teeter towards economic collapse, it will give more ammunition to opponents of nationalized healthcare.
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A basic level of universal care is not market based but whatever. I don't know how old you are but before you die fairy tales might just come true. We are moving towards single payer whether you like it or not.So in effect you're advocating a market based solution to reduce the need for healthcare, as the primary method of controlling costs.
Which is completely different than believing the fairy tale that if you throw healthcare under the government umbrella, service will get better and cheaper.
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B-man it is too early for anyone without access to classified material to truly know if there was collusion or not. The investigations and hearings will take months. It could very well just be a lot of smoke and a media frenzy. I personally think Manafort, Roger Stone and Carter Page are the ones that would likely be charged with something. Trump would have to be a huge idiot to knowingly collude with the Russians.
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I can't argue with that, and agree with most of the points you have made. I'm just saying costs go down in countries where healthcare is regulated by the government. Citizens don't pay large insurance premiums but their taxes go up. Thanks guys for the debate btw, I love this type of ****. I'm not saying I have all the answers or the solution. Just pointing out we could take parts of other country's health systems to improve ours.I genuinely don't know of a single time the federal government got involved in anything that led to lower prices for the average American.
Perhaps one day it will act on our behalf. But most certainly not in our lifetimes.
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I absolutely agree that we have too many people living off of the government. I said above that we should get the leeches off the system, and keep social programs for only the people that really need it. I don't think the government intervening is an ideal solution for healthcare, but it is the only way to regulate costs and get prices down for the average American. Entitlements encourage laziness and dependence, but I feel that healthcare is different. The current way is not working, everyone here will see in the next decade or two.First of all, it's tough for me to digest the idea that single payer is something preferred by an independent, but to be fair on this point, the extreme nuts from both sides of the aisles make it difficult for anyone to say "I am a Republican" or "I am a Democrat," because it's almost always followed with, "Except on these things I lean left/right." So at this point, who knows what it really means to be independent beyond "I'm definitely not D or R." But single payer is the opposite of independent.
Second of all, this country can not afford to move to a single payer until we first solve the money-sucking issue of government dependency. We need to cut off the freebie supply line to pretty much everyone. We have to set up a ridiculously high bar for any type of government handout, and spend a year or two weeding everyone out. No more 99 weeks of unemployment. No more free room and board and phones. No more extra cash because you had your fifth baby from your fourth boyfriend. Gravy train must be closed off except for the ridiculously poor and incapable.
We have WAY too many people living off the government, and because it's a generational thing, it has to be cut sharp and hard.
This will never happen because the people who hand out the freebies to the takers do so with the understanding that if they are elected out of office, the takers are on their own.
But to add another layer of massive government dependence on top of the layer that is already destroying the strength of our country is irresponsible, and ridiculously stupid.
Millions don't have insurance or access to Medicaid. Giving them a basic level of care actually would be different. I'm too harsh to be a liberal, and have never had a handout or entitlement in my life. All I am saying is we have to do something because it currently is not working.If the purpose of healthcare reform is to provide care to those without access, then this is an awfully strange position to take.
With this argument, you don't need healthcare reforms at all, other than reforming Medicare/caid.
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I say give the degenerates a basic level of care and cap them if they meet a limit or don't start improving heir health. We are going to end up paying for them one way or another when they go to the ER imo. Educating them is important, they actually don't get that when they go to the ER, compared with having regular checkups and a doctor who monitors heir health and encourages them to do better.It has decreased in amongst the educated and responsible public, but that's not where the problem lies. The overwhelming majority of those folks already had health insurance, and already used preventative care.
The problem lies with the irresponsible, which make up the overwhelming majority of the poor. They are not responsible, and not educated; and because of this, always have, and most likely always will, make poor decisions.
If that still doesn't work, set limits and health requirements/targets for them to meet. If they can't, they receive the bare minimum to stay alive or lose access. Penalties might help.
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Your statement is the equivalent of finding the one out five dentists who would recommend a sugar-laced gum. Please point me to a doctor who hasn't advised a healthier lifestyle to an overweight person or a smoker in the last 30 years? And how far has that preventative care advice gone?
You have to be gator level stupid to not know how bad smoking is for you, and smoking levels have gone down dramatically in the last 30 years. Yet, here we are.[/quote/]
It's about more than that, and there are other measures I will get into later when I'm not at work. You have to be a !@#$ing moron to think our healthcare system is sufficient. I'm talking directly to you GG if that's what you think.
People smoked on planes and in hospitals for years. Lifelong smokers, even if they have quit recently, are still driving up cost big time. Obesity will be the next major initiative in this country after smoking. You don't have to believe me about healthcare changing, you will see it for yourself.
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France has an awesome idea about medical ID cards, similar to a drivers license. Your whole medical history is downloaded and stored onto this card every time you receive treatment, starting when you are a child. This promotes synergy and coordination when you receive care at different facilities. They can pull up your whole medical history, allergies and prescription use immediately. Saving money in the long run.